Enter musallio in the house:
wo-ryt guys, interesting stuff you've said here

But I didn't hear anyone make a single mention of the
CONTEXTie...
Pre-text----> the
actual verse----> & the
post-text..==
CONTEXT..
I don' intend to start an argument; merely to bring another perspective from other theological thoughts on the verse/ message..
BTW..I'm also from a pentecostal background & churched from a young age until 1 day Christ became my friend....So yes, back in the day the preachers would read that verse & say God doesn't want female preachers etc..
problem #1:
We need to differenti8 btwn a preacher & a pastor.
We can all preach (by talking)..just a matter of asking me to go up there & tell people to repent..
But pastoring is something else (I'm sure I need not explain..)...Also note that a pastor can be a pastor but barely preach--i.o.w. they just foresee that the sheep are fed the right diet.
side note: Sometimes I would question myself (& still do): Why are most men prayer-lazy

compared to most women..I'm not saying that all women are more faithful than men, because 1 can also pray outside God's Will

(That's anada thread of it's own).
Back to the context:
So Paul, is approached by Timothy, with all the disorder & perils taking place in the church..
PRE-TEXT: (I'm trying to rightly divide the Word (as prescribed in 2Tim.2:15))
Jewish Hsitory:
...Timothy is in a Jewish community...there are also gentiles in the house who are now fellowshipping in the church.
..How did church operate?
---The woman were
not allowed into the MAIN WORSHIP AREA (imagine islams/ moslems today

)..So the women would be in a seperate room while the men worshipped.
So it would happen that the women could hear some of the issues that the men were debating in the worship area...
Some issues that were causing division were the issues of whether Paul or Apollos were the ppl to follow (& many other issues etc..)
With the women hearing all the debates etc, they would now argue amongs themselves..& disturbing the worship in the process! --(read 2Tim.2 :14,16)
With this being said, we now know where the church was at the time (other issues: for instance, see verse 9:
9I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
Would this apply today??

-The short answer is Yes & No (but this is shallow..read on & see why).
Yes because when we study the principle behind that, it has more meaning than just braided hair today..It applies directly to the things that are vulgar in today's context..braided hair is quite ok now & there is really nothing vulgar about it..but looking back then, it was something that could have been associated with the prostitutes of that time..(so 1 could say no for this reason, but I admit that it is babe-like thinking, because the Spirit doesn't merely give us rules, but principles to live by, hence the need for Holy Ghost's necessity to assist us in intepreting each part of scripture.
Wo-ryty, where am I now...
Ok, marching on2 the
actual verses:
I've included verse 11 on purpose because the subsequent verses only expand on it (rimemba that back then the was no such thing as verses..this was merely a God Inspired letter..the verse serve to help us give reference.)..
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women[a] will be saved through childbearing?if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.There are many levels in which 1 can & should look at this message contained in these verses, but the final test must be that it doesn't contradict/ it is in line with God's Will/ consistent message of the Gospel..
[just as a sidenote, read 2Tim.2:24-26..what I want to highlight there is that God's Word actually requires that if we call ourselves the Lord's servants, we
MUST be able to teach...

]
wokay, back to these passage!
4 the reasons explained in the Pre-text (see above), Paul instructs/ commends that the women be quiet.
BUT THEN, he also goes on to mention how sin 1st came into the world (ie, through a woman's sinning 1st ) & how God had formed Adam (the male) 1st, for a reason..
--The reason being that the man should have authority over the women (sidenote: authority doesn't mean dictatorship, like B3 has mentioned earlier..It means Responsiblities!!!! just like how your finance director has authority over you if you are an accountant..that authority means that s/he foresees that you carry out your tasks effectively & effeciently..& also ensures that your needs as some1 under his/ her authority...ok point taken

)
So Paul is saying: Look man, I understand that there are divided camps here..1 is saying that we should have Mrs Israelite preaching to us because she prays so much..The other camp is saying, No ways we gonna have a woman preach to us as men..God made us heads..So Paul says yes, God has ordained men to be higher than woman..(in accountability gus!! not brains etc

)..& the women should account to their hubbies.
It's so amazing how God's Word Never Contradicts itself:
If the message written by Paul was saying that women should shet up (as Vonne'd say), then all pentecostals (& all churches professing to preach christ) would be in very very big trouble with God because I'm sure most of them allow women to have a say at what should happen at church etc)..
But then God, in all His wisdom, was saying to the women out there..U better shet up & nt disturb the worship..
but if you have something to say, then bring it up with your hubby @ home so that there won't be confused chatter amongst you as women in the waiting rooms..in this way, the woman's voice HAS ALWAYS BEEN REPRESENTED AT CHURCH..just that God is a God of order*takes a breather*
*phew, I'm back..where was I??*
wo-ryt, lets take on the POST-TEXT:
15But women will be saved through childbearing?if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
read also the whole of
2Tim.3This chapter spells out the characterists/ the ideals that should be found in a suitable leader of the church.
Back then, it was rare to find a woman running a household (if ever!!)..even if your spouse passed away, then his brother was obliged to look after you..in their Jewish customs.
Amongst other things that chapter 3 says:
1Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer,[a] he desires a noble task. 2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He
must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6He must
not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7He must also
have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.
This chapter throws in a whole lota questions..1 of them, for instance, what about the pastors/ overseers who don't have kids; those who are recent converts, although they are males

Just a thought.
& then what about the change in the style of worship now that women can fellowship in the same place as men

( Do they not now know the happenings in the church that they should be able to preach

)
Please note, I am not saying that women should pastor churches..nor am I saying they shouldn't..But I believe that Holy Ghost works in mysterious ways..
But I just want you to examine if 1Tim.3 also applies to women.

I've already said toooooo much, so let me shet up b4 my a/c is disabled
