Women Preachers

[Brittsings87]

In other words, all the questions you asked have already been answered in this thread, but you said you didn't read the whole thread.  If you want the answers to your questions, you need to read the whole thread. 

Oh BTW..... I CLEARLY understood EVERYTHING I read! Just confused in a sense as to what I was taught and then to read this thread.

[B3Wannabe]

I applied for a job in Aberdeen.

[ndel]

I know fo' sho that God ain't done told me to preach.  I can't say what He done told nobody else.  But, God spoke through a jackass  so stands to reason that He obviously can speak through whoever/whatever He chooses.

On a personal level I have to admit I'd rather be under a male pastor than a female.  Ain't got no reason why other than that's what I've always been under.  If I felt that God was directing me to a church pastored by a woman I believe I would go.

[sjonathan02]

I applied for a job in Aberdeen.

Spooky.

[LaylaMonroe]

There's a lady named Jennifer who lives in Aberdeen.

[SisterT]

I know this is the end of the party and ya'll have turned on the lights, but here goes  ... a little something I already have said one here:


I do not see in the BIBLE, where God has called women to PASTOR (shepherd a congregation). I do, however, believe women are called to preach God?s word, after all I am a called female preacher! I have preached for my husband on Sundays, I've taught Mid-week services, given the invitation, even ?hooped? a bit, but I am not seeking after that which I believe is not mine---Pastoring.
 
In I Timothy 3:1-7 the qualifications of a Pastor are outlined. The bible says, in 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife." I think we can all agree that the Pastor, Bishop (whatever title he has) is the head of your local church.

First, the head of the church, if HE is going to be married, he must be in a monogamous relationship. Notice this verse is gender specific, for it says the husband of one wife, and not the spouse of one.

Then it says in I Timothy 3:4, ?One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity.? From the beginning of humanity, man has been given the command by God to be the head, or ruler of his house. A women cannot possibly meet this requirement since she is not the head of the family.
The local church and it?s office is a spiritual matter. It is God's design.
 
Remember all the verses in the Bible compliments one another. In Ephesians 5:22-23a, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife."
Marriage is a spiritual matter. Marriage is God's design.

The Bible makes it clear in I Timothy when it outlines the qualifications of the head of the local church, but when I add Ephesians into the equation, I cannot get around the fact that God has placed my husband as head of my house and head over me spiritually. Why would God reverse roles in His church. If I were a Pastor, my husband would have to submit to me. God is not a flip-flopper.....that's us.

Some would like to dispute the fact that some men are not worth submitting to, but God's Word says "to your own husband".
It Doesn't say:

to your saved husband
to your husband that got a job
to your husband that's not cheating on you
and so on...

There are many female Pastors who are doing a great work, but that does not mean they are in the place God intended for them to be. Don?t confuse what your physical eye is witnessing. The Word of God is true. God is sovereign. God uses who He wants to do what He want. Our eyes may see a great work, but our hearts must understand God?s grace and God's permissive will.

One thing, however, I will never disrespect a female Pastor. If she is in that position, I will give her the utmost level of respect and if ever placed in the position to, I will submit to her leadership. One thing I have learned, when it comes to Kingdom business, God demands submission to those in authority.

[sjonathan02]

I know this is the end of the party and ya'll have turned on the lights, but here goes  ... a little something I already have said one here:


I do not see in the BIBLE, where God has called women to PASTOR (shepherd a congregation). I do, however, believe women are called to preach God?s word, after all I am a called female preacher! I have preached for my husband on Sundays, I've taught Mid-week services, given the invitation, even ?hooped? a bit, but I am not seeking after that which I believe is not mine---Pastoring.
 
In I Timothy 3:1-7 the qualifications of a Pastor are outlined. The bible says, in 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife." I think we can all agree that the Pastor, Bishop (whatever title he has) is the head of your local church.

First, the head of the church, if HE is going to be married, he must be in a monogamous relationship. Notice this verse is gender specific, for it says the husband of one wife, and not the spouse of one.

Then it says in I Timothy 3:4, ?One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity.? From the beginning of humanity, man has been given the command by God to be the head, or ruler of his house. A women cannot possibly meet this requirement since she is not the head of the family.
The local church and it?s office is a spiritual matter. It is God's design.
 
Remember all the verses in the Bible compliments one another. In Ephesians 5:22-23a, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife."
Marriage is a spiritual matter. Marriage is God's design.

The Bible makes it clear in I Timothy when it outlines the qualifications of the head of the local church, but when I add Ephesians into the equation, I cannot get around the fact that God has placed my husband as head of my house and head over me spiritually. Why would God reverse roles in His church. If I were a Pastor, my husband would have to submit to me. God is not a flip-flopper.....that's us.

Some would like to dispute the fact that some men are not worth submitting to, but God's Word says "to your own husband".
It Doesn't say:

to your saved husband
to your husband that got a job
to your husband that's not cheating on you
and so on...

There are many female Pastors who are doing a great work, but that does not mean they are in the place God intended for them to be. Don?t confuse what your physical eye is witnessing. The Word of God is true. God is sovereign. God uses who He wants to do what He want. Our eyes may see a great work, but our hearts must understand God?s grace and God's permissive will.

One thing, however, I will never disrespect a female Pastor. If she is in that position, I will give her the utmost level of respect and if ever placed in the position to, I will submit to her leadership. One thing I have learned, when it comes to Kingdom business, God demands submission to those in authority.

Amen and Amen!!

[under13]

I'd like to hear your response to these verses, in relation to the theme of this thread

1 Corinthians 14:34

 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

[SisterT]

I'd like to hear your response to these verses, in relation to the theme of this thread

1 Corinthians 14:34

 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

If we would do a little background digging we'd discovered why this passage was written.

Paul is not addressing the idea of women preaching. The Greek word translated "speak" means chatter or interrupt. You gotta understand Jewish traditions and customs. The men would sit on one side of the church and the women would sit on the other side. Paul is forbidding women from calling out to their husbands on the other side of the church.

If Paul meant for women to be silent in the church (no teaching preaching, etc.), then why would just a few chapters earlier in I Corn 11:14 would he say "And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head. Hmmmm.....sounds like a woman can SPEAK if he is giving instructions to the woman speaker.

In fact- you don't have to look that far back, only 7 verses earlier Paul says (Vs 26): "when you all come together everyone has a word, hymn etc" - why doesn't he just add there "except for the women!" Word, hymns, requires a VOICE.

[under13]

Hmmm

[divinemusician]

I know this is the end of the party and ya'll have turned on the lights, but here goes  ... a little something I already have said one here:


I do not see in the BIBLE, where God has called women to PASTOR (shepherd a congregation). I do, however, believe women are called to preach God?s word, after all I am a called female preacher! I have preached for my husband on Sundays, I've taught Mid-week services, given the invitation, even ?hooped? a bit, but I am not seeking after that which I believe is not mine---Pastoring.
 
In I Timothy 3:1-7 the qualifications of a Pastor are outlined. The bible says, in 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife." I think we can all agree that the Pastor, Bishop (whatever title he has) is the head of your local church.
First, the head of the church, if HE is going to be married, he must be in a monogamous relationship. Notice this verse is gender specific, for it says the husband of one wife, and not the spouse of one.

Then it says in I Timothy 3:4, ?One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity.? From the beginning of humanity, man has been given the command by God to be the head, or ruler of his house. A women cannot possibly meet this requirement since she is not the head of the family.
The local church and it?s office is a spiritual matter. It is God's design.
 
Remember all the verses in the Bible compliments one another. In Ephesians 5:22-23a, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife."
Marriage is a spiritual matter. Marriage is God's design.

The Bible makes it clear in I Timothy when it outlines the qualifications of the head of the local church, but when I add Ephesians into the equation, I cannot get around the fact that God has placed my husband as head of my house and head over me spiritually. Why would God reverse roles in His church. If I were a Pastor, my husband would have to submit to me. God is not a flip-flopper.....that's us.

Some would like to dispute the fact that some men are not worth submitting to, but God's Word says "to your own husband".
It Doesn't say:

to your saved husband
to your husband that got a job
to your husband that's not cheating on you
and so on...

There are many female Pastors who are doing a great work, but that does not mean they are in the place God intended for them to be. Don?t confuse what your physical eye is witnessing. The Word of God is true. God is sovereign. God uses who He wants to do what He want. Our eyes may see a great work, but our hearts must understand God?s grace and God's permissive will.

One thing, however, I will never disrespect a female Pastor. If she is in that position, I will give her the utmost level of respect and if ever placed in the position to, I will submit to her leadership. One thing I have learned, when it comes to Kingdom business, God demands submission to those in authority.

and Amen again.. A husband of one wife... speaks it all

[Furious Styles]

Musiallo gave an eloquent history on jewish customs and how they compare with modern times. Maybe it was largely ignored because it was lengthy. From one long winded brother to another I read every word and concur with much of what you had to say. I have made it no secret about my beliefs. One thing that I'd like to rehash is the fact that the bible is a very easy book to take out of context. Those statements do not make God any less soverign than he always been so cool it my fellow theologians! The spirit of God is what Jesus left so that we can be guided into all truth. Customs have evolved but the spirit of God hasn't. The spirit of God was/is able to function throughout the many cultures of human history because he is able to focus on the need of that present generation. Hardcore sinners miss our glorious faith because we are to attached to tradition. ( the manual that we call the bible).

It is written that the spirit of God would guide us into all truth not a canonized book!!! Women are anointed to PASTOR, preach, prophecy, make love,(yeah I said it) facilitate, to pluck, plant and anything under the sun a man can do. Jesus destroyed the hiearchy of Religious authority. Jesus declared that the ones that did the will of his father replaced his earthly family! In other words the annointing under the new covenant is available to those who obey the lords call!!! That my friends is genderless!!!! I say that directly to Sister T with all due deference because over the last year that I've frequented this site, I have learned more from her demeanor in her post than her thoughts in her responses!! I believe that if she desired the office as the scripture teaches that she could do the job. Paul called it a good work so that implies that it is a job!!

Lastly, we must all remember that scholastic works exist that contradict the harmony in between scriptures. For example all of the 4 gospels gives us varied accounts of the crucifixtion and other familiar miracles. That doesn't make the bible any less accurate however one can argue that the content is relatively in harmony. I am an advocate for teaching from the canon but I am not married to it!!! The spirit of God is the guide. It is written walk in the spirit so that we wouldn't fulfill the lust of the flesh.!! It didn't say read scripture when you are tempted!!! It says resist!!! That's a spiritual pivot! (basketball fans get this) Paul told the Jews to keep the entire law!!! Of course no one can!!! If the Jews could've kept the entire law Jesus would've stayed at the right hand of the father!!! Why do we still shackle women with this traditional nonsense?  I understand people and their preferences but I don't understand the ignorance behind the convictions. WE have been freed from traditiion!!! JESUS destroyed it. Why do we shackle ourselves to tradition when Jesus hated it?
 

[musallio]

Ladies and Gentlemen in an unprecedented move, this bout has been officially changed to a tag team, winner-take-all match. What a fight folks, what a fight.

Musaillo tries a sucker punch...LaRue ducks low, counters with a jab...oh look, Musaillo is knocked over backwards...LaRue feints left and taps Sjon...now Sjon comes into the ring swinging...a right...a left...a jab to the nose...MUSAILLO GOES DOWN!! MY GOD, I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH UTTER DESTRUCTION.

  Fenix, U'r the man

I know this is poking fun at me, but the best thing 4 me to do ryt now is 

I'm looking at my statement right now & thinking..wat ws I saying ..I guess that headache of mine was very serious..

I'm still down guys..from sore throat to really painnful headache..
I can't even read without "shedding" a tear..
B4 things get worse, let me say I withdraw my words & will visit MSG when I'm well conditioned for the handicap rumble (if any )

From one long winded brother to another I read every word and concur with much of what you had to say. 

I read just about everything...
The guys here have the most amazing things to say...

[BassbyGrace]

I know this is the end of the party and ya'll have turned on the lights, but here goes  ... a little something I already have said one here:


I do not see in the BIBLE, where God has called women to PASTOR (shepherd a congregation). I do, however, believe women are called to preach God?s word, after all I am a called female preacher! I have preached for my husband on Sundays, I've taught Mid-week services, given the invitation, even ?hooped? a bit, but I am not seeking after that which I believe is not mine---Pastoring.
 
In I Timothy 3:1-7 the qualifications of a Pastor are outlined. The bible says, in 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife." I think we can all agree that the Pastor, Bishop (whatever title he has) is the head of your local church.

First, the head of the church, if HE is going to be married, he must be in a monogamous relationship. Notice this verse is gender specific, for it says the husband of one wife, and not the spouse of one.

Then it says in I Timothy 3:4, ?One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity.? From the beginning of humanity, man has been given the command by God to be the head, or ruler of his house. A women cannot possibly meet this requirement since she is not the head of the family.
The local church and it?s office is a spiritual matter. It is God's design.
 
Remember all the verses in the Bible compliments one another. In Ephesians 5:22-23a, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife."
Marriage is a spiritual matter. Marriage is God's design.

The Bible makes it clear in I Timothy when it outlines the qualifications of the head of the local church, but when I add Ephesians into the equation, I cannot get around the fact that God has placed my husband as head of my house and head over me spiritually. Why would God reverse roles in His church. If I were a Pastor, my husband would have to submit to me. God is not a flip-flopper.....that's us.

Some would like to dispute the fact that some men are not worth submitting to, but God's Word says "to your own husband".
It Doesn't say:

to your saved husband
to your husband that got a job
to your husband that's not cheating on you
and so on...

There are many female Pastors who are doing a great work, but that does not mean they are in the place God intended for them to be. Don?t confuse what your physical eye is witnessing. The Word of God is true. God is sovereign. God uses who He wants to do what He want. Our eyes may see a great work, but our hearts must understand God?s grace and God's permissive will.

One thing, however, I will never disrespect a female Pastor. If she is in that position, I will give her the utmost level of respect and if ever placed in the position to, I will submit to her leadership. One thing I have learned, when it comes to Kingdom business, God demands submission to those in authority.

Ive never heard this broken down like this.  It really sheds some light to me. 

[B3Wannabe]

This makes me wonder how people come up with the "Deaconess" title, if the qualifications for a Deacon are about the same for the qualifications for a Bishop. Help me out!

[LaylaMonroe]

This makes me wonder how people come up with the "Deaconess" title, if the qualifications for a Deacon are about the same for the qualifications for a Bishop. Help me out!

Okay, NOW you finna step on some toes, bruh....

(not mine, though... I can't get with the Deaconess thing....).

[Salvador]

And they gave this scripture......
1Timothy 2:12-14 - I do not permit a woman to teach over a manor to have authority over a man, she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

The problem with this verse is the phrase "have authority over" (authenteo).
The thing is that word is only used once in the NT and very(!) rarely even in literature outside of the Bible.

So it's a very controversial word and, at this point, it's meaning can't be known for sure.
A few things to consider though:

-should we base doctrine on a single verse that hinges on ONE SINGLE WORD we don't even know? Especially a doctrine that affects 50% of God's people!

-The line (NIV) "A woman should learn in quietness..." seems negative to us today. The thing is in the ANE culture it didn't really mean "not speaking" as much as it meant be respectful and keep from disagreements.

-"...and full submission" may seem even worse. But it was closely rooted with being at the feet of Jesus in rabbi/student form...this was used of future teachers of the Word! So verse 11 seems more to be telling how to be a good student than a verse about oppression.

-the verse "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
To ME, it seems like he's addressing some false teachings that were being circulated by false (women) preachers at the time.

Entire books have been written on both sides so unfortunately it really comes down to personal interpretation like Eschatology or Protology beliefs. 

[musallio]

If we would do a little background digging we'd discovered why this passage was written.

Paul is not addressing the idea of women preaching. The Greek word translated "speak" means chatter or interrupt. You gotta understand Jewish traditions and customs. The men would sit on one side of the church and the women would sit on the other side. Paul is forbidding women from calling out to their husbands on the other side of the church.

If Paul meant for women to be silent in the church (no teaching preaching, etc.), then why would just a few chapters earlier in I Corn 11:14 would he say "And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head. Hmmmm.....sounds like a woman can SPEAK if he is giving instructions to the woman speaker.

In fact- you don't have to look that far back, only 7 verses earlier Paul says (Vs 26): "when you all come together everyone has a word, hymn etc" - why doesn't he just add there "except for the women!" Word, hymns, requires a VOICE.

I forgot to say well answered sisT..

This verse has been misintepreted for far too long...
Problem is that back then, our pastors had very little theology & historical background. & what they taught us we never really took the time to critique.

But the most important thing to do after listening to a sermon as a child of God is to go & personalize the Word that was being preached...& that means looking at the CONTEXT!

& seeing where/ how it can be applied in your life.
I know many miserable ("old school") people who think some things ought not to be happening, but when you invite them to really see what God says in Our Divine Constitution, they come up with lame excuses....which is wrong..because God expects us to show ourselves approved in teaching His Word.

& the Gospel is here to give us liberty..not to take us back into bondage of hostility..

So come on fellow Christians, let's be true Chi Alphans & be bonded to Christ.

[musallio]

This makes me wonder how people come up with the "Deaconess" title, if the qualifications for a Deacon are about the same for the qualifications for a Bishop. Help me out!

[Bruh Kell]

I don't know if I believe in women being Pastors.......but I don't quite know if they shouldn't be pastors either. I'm engaged to a female preacher she and I agree that there's nothing wrong with that.

A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT!

She and I also agree that a man who follows a woman looks utterly pitiful.

 I'm reminded of the few times I went to my aintees (int.) church back in my hometown. At this church indeed the pastor was a woman. And her husband was the master of announcements.......................... ......................................





(blank space intended)



 Anyway I remember looking at this dude and sayin' to myself........"well there's nuthin' wrong wit' a female pastor buuuuuuut.............hmm........" It made me think "who's runnin' thangs at home?" 'cause the dude jes' came off like a weakling.

Not to say that there's something right or wrong with this........'cause I don't know! (I'm neutral) but that guy sticks in my mind as a picture of pity.

If it's not like I think..........whereas a woman should not be pastoring...........then I'll find out.