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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #140 on: March 24, 2008, 03:15:17 PM »
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #141 on: March 24, 2008, 03:42:31 PM »
I meant if I as the pastor preached & my wife did the announcements

Exactly my point.............

hypothetical scenario #3
a. You're the pastor and you preach (but you come off as very small)
b. Your wife does announcements (but she comes off as strong in the Lord)
MY THOUGHTS: This brutha comes off sorta weak!

You missed the point of my last post......it went to say that the roles made no difference in what I thought.

So then, what does the "appearance" of weakness have to do with whether or not a woman should be a pastor of a church? ?/?
Sjon you kno how these threads take commercials............
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #142 on: March 24, 2008, 03:44:31 PM »
Pastor J.D. that was a good meal..... I have made my views very clear about the bible being so "innerrant". The bible is full of errors in regards to interpretations and even translations. This is a documented fact among some of the worlds most educated theologians. Among those that have cited these facts are linguist. A linguist is skilled at translating writings into multiple languages. My personal studies has led me to believe that most of translations have left the content of the text is mostly intact. So the basis of denying women who are qualified to pastor is not biblical. It is sexist. Paul declares that we are all of one blood. The same power that works in a man(the holyghost) works in a woman.  The spirit of God isn't predjudice but humankind is another subject. I am appalled at out how we have allowed our personal predjudices to attempt to determine and define the power of God!  Was it not a woman who saw the two angels at the tomb of Jesus? Women were also judges in the time of Judaism.. So the arguement of women not being qualified to pastor isn't historically acurate...

Most of you for the most part have said that this was your personal preference and for that I respect you. For those who are trying to base their predjudice on scripture shame on you. I have an aunt who is a pastor. It took me some years to appreciate her courage but I do now because God saw fit to unplug me from the MATRIX of religion. She was pastoring in the 80's when many women pastors weren't accepted. She was doing it in Mississippi at that!!! Sexism has no place in the BOC... Sister T and Musallo gave an accurate account of jewish culture which was infested with Paternal predjudice. Marriage for the record is not the only determining factor of sexual purity. Jesus in Matthew gives us an astonishing view of how us married men commit adultury in our hearts!!! You brothers know what I'm talking about and I'll leave it at that... Paul did prefer pastors not to be married for the record but he did say this was his personal opinion. In fact this is one of the rare times that he acknowledges something as an opinion.

I believe Jesus strategically treated women differently in those times so that he could lay the foundation of equal treatment in the kingdom of God. I.E. the woman caught in adultry, Mary Magdaline, the chick at the well.... Predjudice, exclusion and entitlement is such a dangerous thing in the BOC.. Black people should know that especially...
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #143 on: March 24, 2008, 04:55:38 PM »
I read with interest the many ideas developing on here..

Again, I urge you guys to not use the preachings you've heard, but rather, God's ultimate message to mankind to be the yardstick we measure everything against..

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My pastor once said that "The more one matures in Christ, the more it seems like they are diluting the Gospel."..

--I don't know why I said that, but I said it anyway.. ::)
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #144 on: March 24, 2008, 04:59:09 PM »


--I don't know why I said that, but I said it anyway.. ::)

You should make that your signature lol

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #145 on: March 24, 2008, 06:01:46 PM »
You should make that your signature lol

Fenix did say you were the more hilarious of you 2..

I just might consider making that my signature...mhhh :-\
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« Reply #146 on: March 24, 2008, 06:28:50 PM »
Pastor J.D. that was a good meal..... I have made my views very clear about the bible being so "innerrant". The bible is full of errors in regards to interpretations and even translations. This is a documented fact among some of the worlds most educated theologians. Among those that have cited these facts are linguist. A linguist is skilled at translating writings into multiple languages. My personal studies has led me to believe that most of translations have left the content of the text is mostly intact. So the basis of denying women who are qualified to pastor is not biblical. It is sexist. Paul declares that we are all of one blood. The same power that works in a man(the holyghost) works in a woman.  The spirit of God isn't predjudice but humankind is another subject. I am appalled at out how we have allowed our personal predjudices to attempt to determine and define the power of God!  Was it not a woman who saw the two angels at the tomb of Jesus? Women were also judges in the time of Judaism.. So the arguement of women not being qualified to pastor isn't historically acurate...

Most of you for the most part have said that this was your personal preference and for that I respect you. For those who are trying to base their predjudice on scripture shame on you. I have an aunt who is a pastor. It took me some years to appreciate her courage but I do now because God saw fit to unplug me from the MATRIX of religion. She was pastoring in the 80's when many women pastors weren't accepted. She was doing it in Mississippi at that!!! Sexism has no place in the BOC... Sister T and Musallo gave an accurate account of jewish culture which was infested with Paternal predjudice. Marriage for the record is not the only determining factor of sexual purity. Jesus in Matthew gives us an astonishing view of how us married men commit adultury in our hearts!!! You brothers know what I'm talking about and I'll leave it at that... Paul did prefer pastors not to be married for the record but he did say this was his personal opinion. In fact this is one of the rare times that he acknowledges something as an opinion.

I believe Jesus strategically treated women differently in those times so that he could lay the foundation of equal treatment in the kingdom of God. I.E. the woman caught in adultry, Mary Magdaline, the chick at the well.... Predjudice, exclusion and entitlement is such a dangerous thing in the BOC.. Black people should know that especially...

Good points
You seem to have a futher understanding of the Bible and what it is. As where most people think it's just a book.

My pastor once said that "The more one matures in Christ, the more it seems like they are diluting the Gospel."

This is a very interesting subject. We should hijack this thread and talk about that a little while.
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #147 on: March 24, 2008, 06:41:35 PM »
Good points
You seem to have a futher understanding of the Bible and what it is. As where most people think it's just a book.

This is a very interesting subject. We should hijack this thread and talk about that a little while.


That's what I thot as well..U can start that thread Bruh ;) 
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #148 on: March 24, 2008, 07:44:28 PM »
Yeah you know........

The more new stuff we learn about God the more it seems like we're just making stuff up as we go a lot of times. This is probably because of people who subconciously think that God doesn't talk to people anymore.

What chall thank?
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #149 on: March 24, 2008, 07:45:15 PM »
Well I know I am aboout to get bashed for this one. So I am going to say it as clear as I can. I joined the Church of God by Faith right after my father was saved when I was 12 and all I heard was women can't be preachers... I was mad hot... who are they to tell us but the more I grew in Christ I understood.

I don't believe women should be sol pastors of a church. I feel as in the house she should have a covering a man over her. some may aruge that God is her covering. if that is the case he would have not even bothered to make man over the housed and He/ God would have just been the covering. I feel if a woman is a part of a ministry and she is the pastor over one of the churches associated with that mnistry as long as her head is a man she is good.

A lot of people like to throw that Acts 2:17-18 "I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy,your young men will see visions,your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy."
but if they read a prophet and a preacher and a pastor are all different in the body of Christ. I feel and whole heartedly believe a woman can preach (just simply telling the good news and teaching the word of God), they can Prophsey (giving direction on what God said, says, or has a word from God to a certain person, group, etc) but I don't feel they should be solely pastors (having to be watchman over the souls of Gods people)

I knwo people going to bash me for this one, lol. but to God be the glory...


I have a question on that:

If GOD chooses you to lead his sheep as becoming a pastor would you not do so?

I mean I would support you if you were a pastor because you are on a mission and purpose.

If God sends person whether it's a man or woman to take the ranks as pastor then it shall be.

Our main purpose is to Teach, Learn and Understand what God wanted us know.

And then spread it to any and everyone who not know him.

But I will support woman Pastors

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« Reply #150 on: March 24, 2008, 08:49:54 PM »
Yeah you know........

The more new stuff we learn about God the more it seems like we're just making stuff up as we go a lot of times. This is probably because of people who subconciously think that God doesn't talk to people anymore.

What chall thank?

That's true..
For instance, I grew up in an environment / at the time when christians were taught to associate alot with non-christians..

Or another example is when a group meets for whole night prayers: People give you that suggestive eye--that suggests that U'r not christian enough just because you are not jumping around & shouting as every1 else.

But if you were to sit down & analyze all the prayers prayed, you might find that the person who was praying slowly & not shouting could still recall most of the things s/he prayed 4/ about; was very sincere & certainly wasn't a copy cat like some in the house were...Those are all signs of maturity in Christ..having an assuarance of what you have & not relying on people to validate it..But it's Holy Spirit Himself who affirms everything.

On the 1st example of dissociating oneself with non-believers:

Then there's the group that's always saying Amen Amen...going to church..everything is just glory..they might as well be in heaven rejoicing with the angels.
What they miss is that we have been made Ambassadors of Jesus Christ for the time being here on earth..so we are people on a mission...we shouldn't be afraid to get "our hands in the mud" because "greater is He that's in us than he in the world"..albeit, satan is a very smart whatever he is..so we need to exercise caution when we reach out with the aim of evangelising to our non-christian fellow beings..& that caution is exercised by placing God 1st & asking 4 His guidance & protection always..But then of-course we have boundaries..but Only Holy Spirit can truly define each ambassador's boundaries..For instance, 4 1 reason or another, Holy Spirit can tell me to go & reach out to the teens in the clubs..to most christians, they'd think..now ::) is this dude still Christian ::)
So maturing in Christ, takes 1 to cease trying to please people, but follow The 1 who has called him/ her & fully submit to Him & ask for wise counsel..because U could be doing the right thing, but with the wrong approach..so strategy is also very critical.

Then there are the traditional ways of evangelising that are well accepted--Crusade..every1 is ok to see you in those just because every1 knows what a crusade is...but do people ever stop & think what forces are there in a crusade when thousands & even millions of people are gathered & most have the most wicked of spirits? Why is being in such an environment ok, but when God tells you to go reach out to folks in clubs etc, you are frowned upon & are said to be bringing the church in2 disrepute.. ::)

Was it not Jesus who invited Zaccheus & dined with him at his house & said today salvation is come to your house.
Was it not Jesus who allowed the lady to wash his feet with her hair & pour all that perfume on him?
Was Jesus a man-pleaser or a man out to fulfil a vision?
Let us be like the 1 who sent us: Cross-focussed rather than controversy focussed.
Let's pray for the fellow brothers & sisters in ministries that seem to raise an eyebrow..
We are all part of the body..fulfilling a specific f(x).

In whatever we do, let's shew forth His praise & ask Him to draw us closer to Him..It is then that we will start to appreciate more the splendor of Christ & appreciate the way He has mobilised some of His servants to minister to the lost.

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #151 on: March 25, 2008, 12:27:27 AM »
That's true..
For instance, I grew up in an environment / at the time when christians were taught to associate alot with non-christians..

Or another example is when a group meets for whole night prayers: People give you that suggestive eye--that suggests that U'r not christian enough just because you are not jumping around & shouting as every1 else.

But if you were to sit down & analyze all the prayers prayed, you might find that the person who was praying slowly & not shouting could still recall most of the things s/he prayed 4/ about; was very sincere & certainly wasn't a copy cat like some in the house were...Those are all signs of maturity in Christ..having an assuarance of what you have & not relying on people to validate it..But it's Holy Spirit Himself who affirms everything.

On the 1st example of dissociating oneself with non-believers:

Then there's the group that's always saying Amen Amen...going to church..everything is just glory..they might as well be in heaven rejoicing with the angels.
What they miss is that we have been made Ambassadors of Jesus Christ for the time being here on earth..so we are people on a mission...we shouldn't be afraid to get "our hands in the mud" because "greater is He that's in us than he in the world"..albeit, satan is a very smart whatever he is..so we need to exercise caution when we reach out with the aim of evangelising to our non-christian fellow beings..& that caution is exercised by placing God 1st & asking 4 His guidance & protection always..But then of-course we have boundaries..but Only Holy Spirit can truly define each ambassador's boundaries..For instance, 4 1 reason or another, Holy Spirit can tell me to go & reach out to the teens in the clubs..to most christians, they'd think..now ::) is this dude still Christian ::)
So maturing in Christ, takes 1 to cease trying to please people, but follow The 1 who has called him/ her & fully submit to Him & ask for wise counsel..because U could be doing the right thing, but with the wrong approach..so strategy is also very critical.

Then there are the traditional ways of evangelising that are well accepted--Crusade..every1 is ok to see you in those just because every1 knows what a crusade is...but do people ever stop & think what forces are there in a crusade when thousands & even millions of people are gathered & most have the most wicked of spirits? Why is being in such an environment ok, but when God tells you to go reach out to folks in clubs etc, you are frowned upon & are said to be bringing the church in2 disrepute.. ::)

Was it not Jesus who invited Zaccheus & dined with him at his house & said today salvation is come to your house.
Was it not Jesus who allowed the lady to wash his feet with her hair & pour all that perfume on him?
Was Jesus a man-pleaser or a man out to fulfil a vision?
Let us be like the 1 who sent us: Cross-focussed rather than controversy focussed.
Let's pray for the fellow brothers & sisters in ministries that seem to raise an eyebrow..
We are all part of the body..fulfilling a specific f(x).

In whatever we do, let's shew forth His praise & ask Him to draw us closer to Him..It is then that we will start to appreciate more the splendor of Christ & appreciate the way He has mobilised some of His servants to minister to the lost.

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I couldn't have said it any better myself. We've gotten so wrapped up in tradition these days. Subconciously the church will say to itself........if it's new it's the devil. This has become the problem between the church has with hip hop. From the outside looking in (and standing back pretty far) we condemn hip hop because of the portion of it that gets all the broadcast time on T.V.

But I'm reminded of everything the early Apostles were put through........and as a matter of fact they counted it as an honor.
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #152 on: March 25, 2008, 09:44:52 AM »
The Bible doesn't speak directly concerning denominations either but we have them. Just food for thought.

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #153 on: March 25, 2008, 09:48:31 AM »


No offense, sis, but you weren't there.  You don't know.

Yea, ur right, i wasn't there...but i still believe he put 'em n dey place tho! ;) lol
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #154 on: March 25, 2008, 09:50:20 AM »
The Bible doesn't speak directly concerning denominations either but we have them. Just food for thought.

The bible doesnt speak directly concerning Ipods and computers, but we have them. Just food for thought

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« Reply #155 on: March 25, 2008, 11:39:40 AM »
The bible doesnt speak directly concerning Ipods and computers, but we have them. Just food for thought

But nobody here said having Ipods or computers is wrong. ?/?

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #156 on: March 25, 2008, 11:54:15 AM »
The bible doesnt speak directly concerning Ipods and computers, but we have them. Just food for thought
The bible was written by and for a high context society.

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #157 on: March 25, 2008, 12:00:16 PM »
But nobody here said having Ipods or computers is wrong. ?/?

Well there are many things that are wrong that the blble doesnt speak about, because it wasnt even invented yet, including denominations, And as soon as I think of some more i'll let you know.

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« Reply #158 on: March 25, 2008, 12:04:31 PM »
The bible was written by and for a high context society.

Yeah, i...i was gonna say that. It was most definitely written for a high society filled with umm, lotsa contexts and...stuff. 

Great minds think alike ;D ;D
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« Reply #159 on: March 25, 2008, 01:35:00 PM »
Well there are many things that are wrong that the blble doesnt speak about, because it wasnt even invented yet, including denominations, And as soon as I think of some more i'll let you know.



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