another unwise choose in God's name..

[uriahsmusic]

let's try again....

...most interesting....what does the word say about going to the doctor vs trusting Him to heal you?

...I feel like this....the law is the law!!!....We can work to change the laws....but whether or not they go to jail..vs...whether or not they did what they should have lies in the word!...Jail or not!

...Just because I am too cowardly to trust God doesnt mean that God isnt right there waiting for me to step out on faith and let Him heal me.

....This is a much more serious deal than we think!....Wisdom?.....Are we saying it is unwise to simply trust God to do what the word says he will do?....

.....Remember the Guy with the "JUG OF MILK"....HE SAID WE WERE FOOLS TO BELIEVE!!!

....He said waiting for God to heal you...was the same as waiting for the jug of milk to heal you!.....He said the odds were the same...and the only difference was that if you got healed...you would cheer.....and if you didnt get healed you would say that was Gods will that you didnt get healed......and then he made us sound stupid for believing that way!......

....He placed the notion of us being wise or not at the hands of the results.....if you you die or in this case go to jail...you are stupid and your faith is stupid....if you do what it takes to live you are wise and have done right not to trust in you faith...

......Remember the Jews and all those years they spent in the wilderness?....They whined and complained and some lived and some died...and blah...blah...blah....and with all of the negative stuff that happened ...was God still to be trusted?....What about Job??????.......Was this real or not?......If they simply looked at the result at the time to determine whether or not God was to be Trusted to be the sole provider of the outcome........we would have a real problem....cuz it didnt always work out in the BIBLE either!!!

.....I am no less a coward than I was before I wrote this....(I think)....But I dont disagree with those parents at all....I wish I had the courage to test my faith as she did....They probably thought...at the worse my child will return to God....but we should die trusting in him!...

[under13]

A few  years ago, Oprah had a lady on her show who also believed in faith healing and not going to seek medical help.  I think her daughter died also from something a few dollars worth of medicine could've prevented.  Ya know what?  Oprah pointed out this lady was wearing glasses.  So...she asked..why not pray God will heal your eyes..why wear glasses? (paraphrased).  I thought Oprah had a good point.

Great Point. God gave us medicine so that we may be healed.

So a Question for yall: If your (God forbid)  Got shot, and was bleeding to death, would you pray for god to heal them or would you take them to the doctor?

[T-Block]

Great Point. God gave us medicine so that we may be healed.

One could argue that it wasn't the medicine that healed them anyway, it was their faith in God and the medicine, or the faith in the medicine.  Either way, faith is the key component.

[blessedwoman]

Great Point. God gave us medicine so that we may be healed.

So a Question for yall: If your (God forbid)  Got shot, and was bleeding to death, would you pray for god to heal them or would you take them to the doctor?

If I had kids, I would take them to the doctor/hospital and in the midst of them being in the hospital I would pray and trust God for their healing. Shoot my parents are preachers and when any one of us were sick, they used wisdom and took us to the doctor...and they prayed in addition to it. God put doctors in place for a reason.

[Iamluv]

If not Prison, What kind of punishment do you think is appropriate for this situation?

If jails were a place of education and rehabilitation, I say jail them, but generally speaking that's not the case. These people were ignorant in the midst of their beliefs and they need to be educated so that should a similar situation in the lives of their remaining children arise, they'll be better educated and make a better choice.

I, say mandatory counseling and supervised community service in maybe a children's hospital or hospice, where they will be able to see that faith, prayer, and technology can all work together for the good...Knowing that their child suffered and died needlessly is going to punish them more than any jail sentence ever could...

[under13]

If I had kids, I would take them to the doctor/hospital and in the midst of them being in the hospital I would pray and trust God for their healing. Shoot my parents are preachers and when any one of us were sick, they used wisdom and took us to the doctor...and they prayed in addition to it. God put doctors in place for a reason.

Yeah I would do both, I was typing in a rush.

My father is very religious or spiritual or w/e, A few years ago, my sister was laying on the floor, and my cousin decided to walk on her back. By doing that she hurt my sister's spine and she was paralyzed. My pops called the Ambulance and prayed. A few hours after that incedent, she could move just fine. The doctors said they had no Idea what happend. We belived God Healed her. My Point is We can have all the faith in the world, but it is still common sense to take your child or yourself to get looked at. What if God had not healed her right away? It would look very bad for my parents to have her in the house paralyzed for a week, without any record of her seeing a doctor.

So pray while you are dialing 911

I'm done. I think Most of us here are smart enough to konw what to do when something like this happens to us

If jails were a place of education and rehabilitation, I say jail them, but generally speaking that's not the case. These people were ignorant in the midst of their beliefs and they need to be educated so that should a similar situation in the lives of their remaining children arise, they'll be better educated and make a better choice.

I, say mandatory counseling and supervised community service in maybe a children's hospital or hospice, where they will be able to see that faith, prayer, and technology can all work together for the good...Knowing that their child suffered and died needlessly is going to punish them more than any jail sentence ever could...

I feel you. The Jail system is a whole 'nother thread.

[B3Wannabe]

Pot meet Kettle.

So what you tryna say? Huh?

[under13]

Pot meet Kettle.

exactly. lol

[B3Wannabe]

let's try again....

...most interesting....what does the word say about going to the doctor vs trusting Him to heal you?

...I feel like this....the law is the law!!!....We can work to change the laws....but whether or not they go to jail..vs...whether or not they did what they should have lies in the word!...Jail or not!

...Just because I am too cowardly to trust God doesnt mean that God isnt right there waiting for me to step out on faith and let Him heal me.

....This is a much more serious deal than we think!....Wisdom?.....Are we saying it is unwise to simply trust God to do what the word says he will do?....

.....Remember the Guy with the "JUG OF MILK"....HE SAID WE WERE FOOLS TO BELIEVE!!!

....He said waiting for God to heal you...was the same as waiting for the jug of milk to heal you!.....He said the odds were the same...and the only difference was that if you got healed...you would cheer.....and if you didnt get healed you would say that was Gods will that you didnt get healed......and then he made us sound stupid for believing that way!......

....He placed the notion of us being wise or not at the hands of the results.....if you you die or in this case go to jail...you are stupid and your faith is stupid....if you do what it takes to live you are wise and have done right not to trust in you faith...

......Remember the Jews and all those years they spent in the wilderness?....They whined and complained and some lived and some died...and blah...blah...blah....and with all of the negative stuff that happened ...was God still to be trusted?....What about Job??????.......Was this real or not?......If they simply looked at the result at the time to determine whether or not God was to be Trusted to be the sole provider of the outcome........we would have a real problem....cuz it didnt always work out in the BIBLE either!!!

.....I am no less a coward than I was before I wrote this....(I think)....But I dont disagree with those parents at all....I wish I had the courage to test my faith as she did....They probably thought...at the worse my child will return to God....but we should die trusting in him!...

Indeed.

When the tribulations come, people will die just to keep from getting the mark put on them. Will they be wrong if they allow their children to die to keep them from being marked by Satan?

[uriahsmusic]

Indeed.

When the tribulations come, people will die just to keep from getting the mark put on them. Will they be wrong if they allow their children to die to keep them from being marked by Satan?

soooo true....The word says it's coming!

[Redy2bUsed]

This is crazy...
This actually happened to a woman I knew.
She was older than me...But she went to
a church....and the church told her
not to go to the Dr.....and the folk at the
church told her to believe God...
She listened to them and died....believing God.

Yes God is able to heal...But He also gives us wisdom.
And if something is wrong, and you don't know what it is...
You go to a physician and get checked out.

I believe in the old days....Our folk didn't have the means to
get checked out by a Dr...so all they could do is pray.
But now...things are different, and we have the means to see a doctor.

But when we go to the dr., to get checked.
We are also suppose to pray that God will
touch those physicians so that they will be able
to find out whats wrong and give us what is needed to fix things.

Never cut God out all together...
Because He IS the ultimate healer of ALL things.
But ask God to touch those who He
has given knowledge to....
and allow them to help us.

[Tiptip357]

This is crazy...
This actually happened to a woman I knew.
She was older than me...But she went to
a church....and the church told her
not to go to the Dr.....and the folk at the
church told her to believe God...
She listened to them and died....believing God.

Yes God is able to heal...But He also gives us wisdom.
And if something is wrong, and you don't know what it is...
You go to a physician and get checked out.

I believe in the old days....Our folk didn't have the means to
get checked out by a Dr...so all they could do is pray.
But now...things are different, and we have the means to see a doctor.

But when we go to the dr., to get checked.
We are also suppose to pray that God will
touch those physicians so that they will be able
to find out whats wrong and give us what is needed to fix things.

Never cut God out all together...
Because He IS the ultimate healer of ALL things.
But ask God to touch those who He
has given knowledge to....
and allow them to help us.

COSIGN!!!

 Couldn't have put it betta...

[Iamluv]

COSIGN!!!

 Couldn't have put it betta...

+1

 Dr'.s  minds and hands are simply God's tools in helping to heal us.

[B3Wannabe]

This is crazy...
This actually happened to a woman I knew.
She was older than me...But she went to
a church....and the church told her
not to go to the Dr.....and the folk at the
church told her to believe God...
She listened to them and died....believing God.

Yes God is able to heal...But He also gives us wisdom.
And if something is wrong, and you don't know what it is...
You go to a physician and get checked out.

I believe in the old days....Our folk didn't have the means to
get checked out by a Dr...so all they could do is pray.
But now...things are different, and we have the means to see a doctor.

But when we go to the dr., to get checked.
We are also suppose to pray that God will
touch those physicians so that they will be able
to find out whats wrong and give us what is needed to fix things.

Never cut God out all together...
Because He IS the ultimate healer of ALL things.
But ask God to touch those who He
has given knowledge to....
and allow them to help us.

Dude....You're making uriah's point! You make is sound bad that she DIED believing God could heal her.

Look, I'm not saying that I wouldn't go to the doctor, or that I wouldn't tell someone to go to the doctor, but we should have the right to live by our beliefs without being persecuted....even in cases like the subject of this thread! The girl wasn't abused. The girl definitely wasn't neglected, since they were praying for her. I could see if the girl was sick and they ignored her, stuck her in some room, and left her to heal on her own. That wasn't the case.

[Redy2bUsed]

Dude....You're making uriah's point! You make is sound bad that she DIED believing God could heal her.

Look, I'm not saying that I wouldn't go to the doctor, or that I wouldn't tell someone to go to the doctor, but we should have the right to live by our beliefs without being persecuted....even in cases like the subject of this thread! The girl wasn't abused. The girl definitely wasn't neglected, since they were praying for her. I could see if the girl was sick and they ignored her, stuck her in some room, and left her to heal on her own. That wasn't the case.

I wasn't trying to make it sound bad fam.....
But what I was trying to say is...
She died believing God....
Instead of dying believing that God
put these dr's in place to help us.
Thats all....

[BigFoot_BigThumb]

OK, within the story(re-read if you need to), the mother stated that she believed her daughter went into a coma.  Now all of you saying that they weren't wrong for believing like they did, would you let your child remain in a coma in your home untreated and continue to let your faith lead to healing in your child?  That was a siren going off when she lost conciousness like that.  I have no problem with having faith, but isn't this possibly a case of "faith without work" playing itself out in a most tragic way?  Common sense can be just as powerful as faith.

[B3Wannabe]

This is what it boils down to: They believed God had the power to heal their daughter. Is that wrong?

Before anyone answers....think about this: There are many different denominations. If one that believed differently than us came into power and dictated their beliefs on us, how would we feel? Would you fight or would you conform?

Also, for you obey-the-law-of-the-land people, where is the law that states if my daughter is sick, I have to take her to the doctor? Show me, and I'll admit my ignorance...at least on this part., not on the former.

[BigFoot_BigThumb]

This is what it boils down to: They believed God had the power to heal their daughter. Is that wrong?

Before anyone answers....think about this: There are many different denominations. If one that believed differently than us came into power and dictated their beliefs on us, how would we feel? Would you fight or would you conform?

Also, for you obey-the-law-of-the-land people, where is the law that states if my daughter is sick, I have to take her to the doctor? Show me, and I'll admit my ignorance...at least on this part., not on the former.

So with that being said, how do you feel about the poisonous snake handling churches that believe that God will protect them from snakebite and drinking poison?  Then they get bit and die.  Would you do the same?  Is your faith that strong?  Or does using your common sense come into play here?  With you being on the military, if you were to go and fight on the front lines, would you go out there without a helmet, flak jacket, and weapon and use your faith knowing you will be protected solely by that?  Or would you shoot back if you got shot at?

And no this is not a hi-jack.  The underlying issue is still faith.

[Redy2bUsed]

This is what it boils down to: They believed God had the power to heal their daughter. Is that wrong?

Before anyone answers....think about this: There are many different denominations. If one that believed differently than us came into power and dictated their beliefs on us, how would we feel? Would you fight or would you conform?

Also, for you obey-the-law-of-the-land people, where is the law that states if my daughter is sick, I have to take her to the doctor? Show me, and I'll admit my ignorance...at least on this part., not on the former.

Would you act in that same way
If it was your child??

[B3Wannabe]

OK, within the story(re-read if you need to), the mother stated that she believed her daughter went into a coma.  Now all of you saying that they weren't wrong for believing like they did, would you let your child remain in a coma in your home untreated and continue to let your faith lead to healing in your child?  That was a siren going off when she lost conciousness like that.  I have no problem with having faith, but isn't this possibly a case of "faith without work" playing itself out in a most tragic way?  Common sense can be just as powerful as faith.

a. No. I've said I would take my kids to the doctor.
b. No. They have faith their prayers can work to move God to heal their daughter.

I would bet right now, they're praying for healing....and we're sitting here talking about jailing them and taking away their other kids instead of praying with them!

SMH

Is faith practical?