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Offline B3Wannabe

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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2008, 11:41:48 AM »
So with that being said, how do you feel about the poisonous snake handling churches that believe that God will protect them from snakebite and drinking poison?  Then they get bit and die.  Would you do the same?  Is your faith that strong?  Or does using your common sense come into play here?  With you being on the military, if you were to go and fight on the front lines, would you go out there without a helmet, flak jacket, and weapon and use your faith knowing you will be protected solely by that?  Or would you shoot back if you got shot at?

And no this is not a hi-jack.  The underlying issue is still faith.

Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God!

Need I say more? They weren't tempting God! They were asking for help!

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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2008, 11:45:16 AM »
So with that being said, how do you feel about the poisonous snake handling churches that believe that God will protect them from snakebite and drinking poison?  Then they get bit and die.  Would you do the same?  Is your faith that strong?  Or does using your common sense come into play here?  With you being on the military, if you were to go and fight on the front lines, would you go out there without a helmet, flak jacket, and weapon and use your faith knowing you will be protected solely by that?  Or would you shoot back if you got shot at?

And no this is not a hi-jack.  The underlying issue is still faith.

Oh....I missed this one!

No, but didn't David do that very thing? Come on now, you're batting with twigs, dude! Use something more substantial!

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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2008, 11:47:37 AM »
But is it not possible that
God would use those doctors
to work a miracle for their daughter??

Quick story...(some may have heard this)

A man stranded in the ocean...

He's prays, "God save me!!"
A man comes by in a boat...and offers to pick him up.
He says no.

Prays again...."Lord please come and save me!!!"
A big ship comes by...and offers to pick the man up.
Again, he says no.

The man drowns and dies...
He gets to heaven...
And he asks God....why didn't you save me??

God answers...
I sent by two boats to save you..... :-\
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2008, 11:50:45 AM »
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God!

Need I say more? They weren't tempting God! They were asking for help!

And maybe that actually were by not heeding the words and suggestions of concerned family.  Maybe that was God's answer to them and they ignored it.  Remember, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2008, 11:51:24 AM »
But is it not possible that
God would use those doctors
to work a miracle for their daughter??

Quick story...(some may have heard this)

A man stranded in the ocean...

He's prays, "God save me!!"
A man comes by in a boat...and offers to pick him up.
He says no.

Prays again...."Lord please come and save me!!!"
A big ship comes by...and offers to pick the man up.
Again, he says no.

The man drowns and dies...
He gets to heaven...
And he asks God....why didn't you save me??

God answers...
I sent by two boats to save you..... :-\

Because I believe that God works through people, I believe that He gave us doctors to heal us. So, I'd go to them.

As for, "should they go to jail for what they believe", I feel the answer is a resounding, 'no'.


I think the issue at hand is, "how does one work their faith?"
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2008, 11:52:20 AM »
a. No. I've said I would take my kids to the doctor.
b. No. They have faith their prayers can work to move God to heal their daughter.

I would bet right now, they're praying for healing....and we're sitting here talking about jailing them and taking away their other kids instead of praying with them!

SMH

Is faith practical?

Praying is just us, verbalizing our faith...its not work.

I can pray for God to give me a job...
But I still have to go out and apply.
Thats the WORK.
Praying is an act of faith.
God helps those who help themselves.
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2008, 11:52:39 AM »
And maybe that actually were by not heeding the words and suggestions of concerned family.  Maybe that was God's answer to them and they ignored it.  Remember, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

You're right back at making B3's point. God DOES work in mysterious ways including healing people without the use of doctors. :-\


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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2008, 11:53:59 AM »
You're right back at making B3's point. God DOES work in mysterious ways including healing people without the use of doctors. :-\




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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2008, 11:55:25 AM »
The news is making them out to be psychos. Religious, home-schooling, anti-medicine, psychos. I take offense to that.


Honestly, this is the part that really disturbs me.

These types of cases happen from time to time, and it never fails that the media will portray the parents as criminals and nutcases.  And that, to me, is very unfortunate.  Aside from whether or not they should've taken this child to the doctor, we should still consider the possibility that these parents heard directly from the Lord, and that this story played out exactly how God intended for it to play out.

No, I'm not saying the parents were right.  No, I'm not saying they should, or should not, go to jail.

What I AM saying is that God DOES still speak to His people, and that the media loves to make Christians who hear from God, or stand on the Word of God look like a bunch of idiots.  And that sucks.  We had a case here in Georgia last year of some parents who killed their child while trying to cast a demon out of him.  The media did an excellent job of making them look like nuts who believed in "witches, goblins, ghosts, and demons," after the parents made reference to the power of the Holy Ghost to deliver this boy from the demons afflicting him.

Then, people start talking about them being not-guilty by reason of insanity and all that.  These folks aren't insane, they just believe in the healing power of the Holy Ghost.

For the record, I've never relied on my faith alone to heal my child or myself (or my dog, for that matter).  If my child is sick, she's going to the doctor, and that's the end of that.  But, I don't think we should be so hard on someone who has a different kind of faith and stands on it.
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2008, 11:56:20 AM »
It goes both ways in this case.

It goes both ways in any case.
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2008, 11:58:02 AM »
 

If we see someone in ''need'', should we not call for help  or help while praying or just bypass them and pray while we keep walking?  God gives us wisdom, knowledge, power and authority over every situation.   It's up to us to ''excercise''  these things in faith,  believing that God is our provider and that He has provided us the means by which to be made whole, no matter the situation.

Thank God,  for medical technology when used in accordance to God's plan and purpose. If it weren't for that technology, a whole lot of us wouldn't be here to share our testimonies.
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2008, 12:01:26 PM »


If we see someone in ''need'', should we not call for help  or help while praying or just bypass them and pray while we keep walking? 

And, if that same someone said, "No doctors", then what?  :-\


Do you use your faith or their faith?
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2008, 12:01:41 PM »
But is it not possible that
God would use those doctors
to work a miracle for their daughter??

Quick story...(some may have heard this)

A man stranded in the ocean...

He's prays, "God save me!!"
A man comes by in a boat...and offers to pick him up.
He says no.

Prays again...."Lord please come and save me!!!"
A big ship comes by...and offers to pick the man up.
Again, he says no.

The man drowns and dies...
He gets to heaven...
And he asks God....why didn't you save me??

God answers...
I sent by two boats to save you..... :-\


I'm not talking possibilities. We don't know what God told them.

As for the story: show me a comparable one in the bible. That one's made up.

I believe we were all put here to help each other. If I'm hungry, I will ask someone for food. If I need money, I will ask someone for money. If I need to be healed, I will ask someone for healing. In each case, I would pray to God for direction. If he told me to do someone contrary to my normal way of thinking, I'd do it.

Case: I'm living in a foreign country. I don't have to pay rent or utilities. All the money I make is mine. I have very little bills, and I'm able to save. While we were preparing to stay here longer, for the monetary benefit, God said move back to the USA. It's looking like I'll have to pay to move my family there, and people are telling us that God won't tell us to move there and make us pay our own way. I think the opposite. Every time I've done what God wanted me to do it meant me sacrificing something, but in the end, I finished with more than what I had from the start.

Having faith isn't convenient sometimes. And to other people, having faith can at times seem foolish.

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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2008, 12:04:03 PM »
I'm not talking possibilities. We don't know what God told them.

As for the story: show me a comparable one in the bible. That one's made up.

I believe we were all put here to help each other. If I'm hungry, I will ask someone for food. If I need money, I will ask someone for money. If I need to be healed, I will ask someone for healing. In each case, I would pray to God for direction. If he told me to do someone contrary to my normal way of thinking, I'd do it.

Case: I'm living in a foreign country. I don't have to pay rent or utilities. All the money I make is mine. I have very little bills, and I'm able to save. While we were preparing to stay here longer, for the monetary benefit, God said move back to the USA. It's looking like I'll have to pay to move my family there, and people are telling us that God won't tell us to move there and make us pay our own way. I think the opposite. Every time I've done what God wanted me to do it meant me sacrificing something, but in the end, I finished with more than what I had from the start.

Having faith isn't convenient sometimes. And to other people, having faith can at times seem foolish.

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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2008, 12:05:57 PM »
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2008, 12:18:30 PM »
COSIGN.
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soooo true....The word says it's coming!

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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2008, 12:22:47 PM »
And, if that same someone said, "No doctors", then what?  :-\


Do you use your faith or their faith?

I, would respect that persons wishes for their situation. That has nothing to do with my faith and would not keep me from praying or believing. The bottom line is we have choices.   My Mother was very clear about not wanting  life support and there was none. That was her choice.   Was that little girl given a choice? What if she wanted to live ?/?
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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2008, 12:26:15 PM »
I, would respect that persons wishes for their situation. That has nothing to do with my faith and would not keep me from praying or believing. The bottom line is we have choices.   My Mother was very clear about not wanting  life support and there was none. That was her choice.   Was that little girl given a choice? What if she wanted to live ?/?

Did you allow your children do what they want? or did you do what you thought was best?

Isn't this called parenting?

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Re: another unwise choose in God's name..
« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2008, 12:29:38 PM »
Did you allow your children do what they want? or did you do what you thought was best?

Isn't this called parenting?

So what about the mother who thought it was best, that she drowned her 3 kids. Is that Parenting?
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