another unwise choose in God's name..

[LaylaMonroe]

So what about the mother who thought it was best, that she drowned her 3 kids. Is that Parenting?

Or what about Abraham, who was seconds away from killing his son?  Is that parenting?

You can't compare a mentally ill person with one who hears from the Lord and obeys His command.

You do not know what God told these parents to do.

[Iamluv]

Did you allow your children do what they want? or did you do what you thought was best?

Isn't this called parenting?

We're talking health here and when they said they weren't feeling well or hurting if it were something that I, could take care of I, did.  If it was a situation for the dr's. to handle, i took them....God gave me the wisdom to know the difference.

[B3Wannabe]

So what about the mother who thought it was best, that she drowned her 3 kids. Is that Parenting?

It is.

par·ent·ing
–noun
1.   the rearing of children: The schedule allows her very little time for parenting.
2.   the methods, techniques, etc., used or required in the rearing of children: a course in parenting.
3.   the state of being a parent; parenthood.
–adjective
4.   of or concerned with the rearing of children: good parenting skills.

Note the bold part. If there are "good" parenting skills, there are bad ones.

But your post doesn't compare to this topic. The parents in question didn't willfully kill their daughter.

[Iamluv]

It is.

par·ent·ing
–noun
1.   the rearing of children: The schedule allows her very little time for parenting.
2.   the methods, techniques, etc., used or required in the rearing of children: a course in parenting.
3.   the state of being a parent; parenthood.
–adjective
4.   of or concerned with the rearing of children: good parenting skills.

Note the bold part. If there are "good" parenting skills, there are bad ones.

But your post doesn't compare to this topic. The parents in question didn't willfully kill their daughter.

They didn't willfully kill their daughter, but in a court of law they're going to possibly face,  involuntary manslaughter, child endangerment and neglect and possibly more. 

[under13]

It is.

par?ent?ing
?noun
1.   the rearing of children: The schedule allows her very little time for parenting.
2.   the methods, techniques, etc., used or required in the rearing of children: a course in parenting.
3.   the state of being a parent; parenthood.
?adjective
4.   of or concerned with the rearing of children: good parenting skills.

Note the bold part. If there are "good" parenting skills, there are bad ones.

But your post doesn't compare to this topic. The parents in question didn't willfully kill their daughter.

Well in my opinion it is BAD Parenting to let you kid die, when all they probaly needed was some Antibiotics. It is higly Possible that God already sent her healing, in the form of physicians and medicine. The parents ignored those things. Everything God gives us doesnt have to be "Supernatural". And I believe that the parents were looking for something supernatural, when they had what God already made available them, at the hospital. That i believe is Bad parenting.

The story below explains this perfectly

But is it not possible that
God would use those doctors
to work a miracle for their daughter??

Quick story...(some may have heard this)

A man stranded in the ocean...

He's prays, "God save me!!"
A man comes by in a boat...and offers to pick him up.
He says no.

Prays again...."Lord please come and save me!!!"
A big ship comes by...and offers to pick the man up.
Again, he says no.

The man drowns and dies...
He gets to heaven...
And he asks God....why didn't you save me??

God answers...
I sent by two boats to save you.....

[Redy2bUsed]

I'm not talking possibilities. We don't know what God told them.

As for the story: show me a comparable one in the bible. That one's made up.

I believe we were all put here to help each other. If I'm hungry, I will ask someone for food. If I need money, I will ask someone for money. If I need to be healed, I will ask someone for healing. In each case, I would pray to God for direction. If he told me to do someone contrary to my normal way of thinking, I'd do it.

Case: I'm living in a foreign country. I don't have to pay rent or utilities. All the money I make is mine. I have very little bills, and I'm able to save. While we were preparing to stay here longer, for the monetary benefit, God said move back to the USA. It's looking like I'll have to pay to move my family there, and people are telling us that God won't tell us to move there and make us pay our own way. I think the opposite. Every time I've done what God wanted me to do it meant me sacrificing something, but in the end, I finished with more than what I had from the start.

Having faith isn't convenient sometimes. And to other people, having faith can at times seem foolish.

I hear you fam...
But I think you're missing me....
I'm not saying that God needs a dr. to heal someone...
And I'm not saying that we shouldn't have faith.

But if God tells you not to go to the doctor...
and that He will heal your daughter....
and He tells you to believe in him...
And that he will heal her.
If your child dies....

Was it God???

[B3Wannabe]

We're talking health here and when they said they weren't feeling well or hurting if it were something that I, could take care of I, did.  If it was a situation for the dr's. to handle, i took them....God gave me the wisdom to know the difference.

...and now we're back to calling them fools--or at the very least ignorant--again.

Case: Boy falls and hits head and starts bleeding. Father, an ex-military, uses his training to assess his son's condition. Seeing that nothing was wrong, he bandages him and keeps him in the house for a few days. A neighbor, seeing this gets worried about the child's health and calls social services. The father is then assaulted by police and investigated for negligence. After a medical doctor examines the boy and finds nothing wrong, charges are dropped.

I might have gotten some of the facts wrong, but that was a true story. I think it was even posted here.


Using your example: Picture a family in church. The child states that he doesn't feel well and wants prayer. The parent feels his forehead is really warm. Does the parent say, "No you're going to the hospital," or "Ok, let's get prayer". In the latter case, if anything was to happen to the child, the parent would still be prosecuted, just as this family is being prosecuted.

[B3Wannabe]

I hear you fam...
But I think you're missing me....
I'm not saying that God needs a dr. to heal someone...
And I'm not saying that we shouldn't have faith.

But if God tells you not to go to the doctor...
and that He will heal your daughter....
and He tells you to believe in him...
And that he will heal her.
If your child dies....

Was it God???

God will not lie.

The bible says that God can heal. There are accounts in the bible were God has healed people from worse ailments than diabetes. If I have faith that God can heal, instead of going to the doctor, it doesn't mean the doctor couldn't heal me. I just choose to use my faith.

Well in my opinion it is BAD Parenting to let you kid die, when all they probaly needed was some Antibiotics. It is higly Possible that God already sent her healing, in the form of physicians and medicine. The parents ignored those things. Everything God gives us doesnt have to be "Supernatural". And I believe that the parents were looking for something supernatural, when they had what God already made available them, at the hospital. That i believe is Bad parenting.

The story below explains this perfectly

Speculation. Now you're batting with twigs. It is also "highly possible" that God can still heal the girl!

[Redy2bUsed]

God will not lie.

The bible says that God can heal. There are accounts in the bible were God has healed people from worse ailments than diabetes. If I have faith that God can heal, instead of going to the doctor, it doesn't mean the doctor couldn't heal me. I just choose to use my faith.

You're still missing me homie....

I know that God is able to do ALL things...
Including, healing without the use of doctors.

My question is Not....Can God heal on his own??
My question is....
Were the parents truly hearing from God??

[Steely]

God will not lie.

The bible says that God can heal. There are accounts in the bible were God has healed people from worse ailments than diabetes. If I have faith that God can heal, instead of going to the doctor, it doesn't mean the doctor couldn't heal me. I just choose to use my faith.

But aren't we STILL using faith when we choose to visit the doctor?...

I know am I.

[Steely]

But aren't we STILL using faith when we choose to visit the doctor?...

I know I AM.

Correction

[under13]

Speculation. Now you're batting with twigs. It is also "highly possible" that God can still heal the girl!

I thought she already died? Of course God can resurect her if he wanted to, but I dont think we need no zombie girl runnin around up in hea.

Correction

Good move. Grammar Wizard woulda been all over that

[B3Wannabe]

You're still missing me homie....

I know that God is able to do ALL things...
Including, healing without the use of doctors.

My question is Not....Can God heal on his own??
My question is....
Were the parents truly hearing from God??

You're not expecting me to answer that, are you? No one here knows the answer to that!

I supposed that they went off of what they knew to do: pray. They were waiting for an answer from God.



.....I know you're going to go back to the part about the people around them saying take the girl to the doctor, but they might not have looked at it that way.

[T-Block]

I thought she already died? Of course God can resurect her if he wanted to, but I dont think we need no zombie girl runnin around up in hea.

So, are u saying Lazarus from the bible was a zombie guy after his resurrection?

[Redy2bUsed]

You're not expecting me to answer that, are you? No one here knows the answer to that!

I supposed that they went off of what they knew to do: pray. They were waiting for an answer from God.



.....I know you're going to go back to the part about the people around them saying take the girl to the doctor, but they might not have looked at it that way.

No I'm not really expecting you to answer that..
I know you weren't there.

IRT the bold....
I was't thinking about that...

You're a funny dude.

[Iamluv]

I, believe wholeheartedly and sincerely that God can heal without the assistance of medical technology as He has done many times in my own life,  but He can also use that medical technology as a tool as I, previously stated and we should be ''sure'' that we're hearing a word from the Lord, before we watch someone suffer and die.

With this particular story, there are too many inconsistencies..i.e..Father giving cpr, family crying out for help, etc....

[under13]

So, are u saying Lazarus from the bible was a zombie guy after his resurrection?

So much for comic relief.....

[LaylaMonroe]

I just want to say that if this wasn't a current events article posted, but instead, a story quoted from Mark 7:20-32, we'd be fine with it.  In fact, preachers would be preaching it, SS teachers would be teaching it, we'd be using it to argue this point or that point... we'd be trying to figure out what lessons we could learn from it... We'd be all "oooooh, I want that kinda faith..."

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore, and the same power He used to heal the sick and raise the dead still exists today.

This story is ONLY outrageous because it's being told in 2008, not 28 A.D.

[T-Block]

This story is ONLY outrageous because it's being told in 2008, not 28 A.D.

...and because the girl died.

[Redy2bUsed]

I just want to say that if this wasn't a current events article posted, but instead, a story quoted from Mark 7:20-32, we'd be fine with it.  In fact, preachers would be preaching it, SS teachers would be teaching it, we'd be using it to argue this point or that point... we'd be trying to figure out what lessons we could learn from it... We'd be all "oooooh, I want that kinda faith..."

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore, and the same power He used to heal the sick and raise the dead still exists today.

This story is ONLY outrageous because it's being told in 2008, not 28 A.D.

I agree...God is the same as He's always been....

But my thing is this....
(and I know none of us were there to confirm this)

But if God tells me that He is gonna heal my child.
Then He will heal my child.
Now if I don't hear God say that to me.

Then I'm taking my baby to the doctor.
I'm not gonna wait to "hear" from God.
I'm gonna use the common sense that he blessed me with.
Now if, in the midst of me using this good sense....
He tells me to stop going to the dr.
And I mean HE really tells ME.....
Thats a different story....