Got a dilemma....would like suggestions

[fretai03]

Meh... dude-on-drums been in there a few times & they couldn't handle him then. Wouldn't change now.

[Audiocr381ve]

Cuz they will throw verses at you about submitting to the church so fast, it'll make your head spin.

If that's the case in the lounge, it sounds like they're the type to pick up the stones. I don't submit to the church.

With people, you're always 50/50.

With God, you're always 100 percent. Ask Him.

Somebody recently told me, be completely honest with yourself. What do you want to do. Forget all the politics of the situation.

Simply explain to your church that youre taking another job and you wont be available to play there.  You dont have to tell them what it is youre doing or where youre going.  Tell them youre just doing it cause you need the money.  Its the truth.  Then they will say either "good luck" or "how can we help?"  Then you go from there. 

I'm tellin you guys this.  If you can afford to play for free and thats what you want to do, then do it.  But if you cant, then dont.  Simple.  Dont get caught up in the "but this is my church home" mentality.  Your church home will always be your church home.  That has nothing to do with what you do for them and what they do or dont do for you.  Work first.  Church second.

And another thing.  The longer you guys play for free, the harder it will be for someone to actually pay you good money because youre not building any value in your works.  When you go from one job to the next, they always want to know how much your last job paid.  If you have to tell them you worked for free, where do you think your pay will start out?  It could start out at $25 a week cause thats a heck of alot more than what you were getting before.

On another subject, Im sick of everyone sharing this dream that one day their pastor is gonna have 10,000 members and as a musician, you wont have to work anymore!  Thats so weak!  The church is not a crutch for lazy musicians!  And stop letting your church talk you in to something like that.  They will have you missing all kinds of oportunities because of their selfishness.  Follow your own heart.  Dont let anyone sway you from making moves that are logical and financially smart.  Take God with you...He's not just at church every sunday.  If He's in you, then He's everywhere you are. Make moves my people.   

Here's your answer.

[bigblackdrummer]

Hey guys....here is the deal.  I play drums at the church....unpaid.  I have missed the last three choir rehearsals....with permission......due to having a three week stint playing a gig at a restaurant.  The restaurant has decided that they would like to pick us up weekly, for the same night in which we have choir/praise team rehearsal.  Now I have a decision....play the gig, and make $100+ a week, and not play at church (policy is no rehearsal, no play), or give up the gig to another guy and remain the church drummer.  Since the church does not pay me, and I need the cash with gas prices and day care costs the way they are, I am inclined to do that.  But I want to help the church, and I don't want to give up the spot.  Now, we do have band rehearsal on Saturday's, but still...I need to be at choir /praise team rehearsal to play.  What do you guys think.

Also I fear this.  I go on the gig, cuz I need the money, cuz the church does not pay me...then they go and HIRE someone to replace me.  I think that is a definite possibility, however stupid it may sound.  Just seems at time the church will pay for mediocrity outside, rather than take care of their own inside (and my opinion of myself is not mediocrity).....not saying my church will, but I have seen it many many times elsewhere, and just hope it does not happen in mine.

Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.

[L.V.Drumma]

Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.

 

[under13]

Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.

[yamahaboy]

As Flavor Flav would say: " WOWWWWWW"


Your walking a tad thin there sir.

[diligent-hands]

lmboooo!!!! now that was funny....  As a man of GOD i would pray and believe that HE will provide..remember we take care of Gods house and he will build ours..now most of us that say  " man go for the money,forget that..100 dollars thats alot God understands u need gas"...are usally the ones whose faith is tiny and thin.. FOLLOW YOUR HEART...BUMP WHAT LGM SAY... but hey thats just me..


DiligenT....

[dude-on-drums]

Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple.  

[JonathanLR]

i would just tell the pastor of the church...listen i could have a job doin this and gettin this much money. but it interferes with this and this. and becuase it interferes then i cannot be the drummer at church. i really wanna stay the drummer here, but i also need money. if you think you could pay me what theyre offering me then im defiantly stayin here. but if not then i need money to provide for myself and family. let me know when you have a decision cuz the next thing is coming up on this date.

you really gota be straight up about things

[yamahaboy]

Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple. 

Sheen I agree, some people are almost to deep. Sometimes you have to use common sense. " Man don't work, Man don't eat". The way BBD stated it was kind of surprising I guess

[under13]

Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple.  

I dont look at everythng from a spiritual standpoint either, but as a christian musician, you should aproach your music ministry on a (holy)spiritual level. IMO

[fretai03]

I dont look at everythng from a spiritual standpoint either, but as a christian musician, you should aproach your music ministry on a (holy)spiritual level. IMO

Unfortunately most local churches don't see it that way...

For the amount of healing & restoration a music ministry provides on its own or as support to the Holy Spirit - local churches still make all attempts to give as close to 1 cent as possible.

And yet the bible clearly shows that churches look after their ministers (ALL their ministers).

[Audiocr381ve]

Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple. 

Sheen, shorten this down into a couple of sentences, so I can make a quote out of it and put it in bold next to avatar. 

[blesedone1]

Simply explain to your church that youre taking another job and you wont be available to play there.  You dont have to tell them what it is youre doing or where youre going.  Tell them youre just doing it cause you need the money.  Its the truth.  Then they will say either "good luck" or "how can we help?"  Then you go from there. 

I'm tellin you guys this.  If you can afford to play for free and thats what you want to do, then do it.  But if you cant, then dont.  Simple.  Dont get caught up in the "but this is my church home" mentality.  Your church home will always be your church home.  That has nothing to do with what you do for them and what they do or dont do for you.  Work first.  Church second.

And another thing.  The longer you guys play for free, the harder it will be for someone to actually pay you good money because youre not building any value in your works.  When you go from one job to the next, they always want to know how much your last job paid.  If you have to tell them you worked for free, where do you think your pay will start out?  It could start out at $25 a week cause thats a heck of alot more than what you were getting before.

On another subject, Im sick of everyone sharing this dream that one day their pastor is gonna have 10,000 members and as a musician, you wont have to work anymore!  Thats so weak!  The church is not a crutch for lazy musicians!  And stop letting your church talk you in to something like that.  They will have you missing all kinds of oportunities because of their selfishness.  Follow your own heart.  Dont let anyone sway you from making moves that are logical and financially smart.  Take God with you...He's not just at church every sunday.  If He's in you, then He's everywhere you are.  Make moves my people.   

Wow...I'm just APPALLED that you would say WORK FIRST. CHURCH SECOND. Have you gone mad...! I mean just mad! What church are you attending? Who is your pastor? Let me guess..You're doing that now. DON'T EVER GIVE ADVICE LIKE THAT. That's ridiculous. That is the problem we are having now in today church's church musicians are not committed to there own church too busy always trying to make a fast buck. Learn how to pray more, seek more of God and be more involved in your church. You're not going to get blessed by blessing your ownself! YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND PRAY AGAIN. 

[Blitcenary]

Dude, straight up truth, God's gunna provide for you if you follow him.  I'm pretty sure he wants you to drum for your church.  This really could all be a test meant to strengthen your faith.

Let's look at possible scenarios:  let's say you keep drumming with your church and a newcomer sees your drumming and offers you an even better deal at an even better time.

If you trust in God he will always provide.  ALWAYS.

Plus...it would just suck watching someone else drum in your place man.  Worship would be...well...tedious.

Also, I can't even imagine asking my church for money.  It's backwards.  Don't we give money into the offering?  You're basically stopping with your tides if you ask for money back (I dunno the specifics of your tiding so this is probably really off).

Anyway, pray and read the Bible.  Talk to your pastor, be honest.  Hopefully, he'll lead you the way God want, not the way he himself wants.

[sjonathan02]

a. What did God say to you about this?

b. Go to the church and tell them what you've told us; they don't seem to care and/or aren't going to change how they deal with you, then you must provide for your family.

c. What do you want to do?

Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.

Looks familiar.

[pastor j sands]

Get a Real Job

[BEATBOXERZ]

Get a Real Job

AMEN!!!

[min_amw]

Wow...I'm just APPALLED that you would say WORK FIRST. CHURCH SECOND. Have you gone mad...! I mean just mad! What church are you attending? Who is your pastor? Let me guess..You're doing that now. DON'T EVER GIVE ADVICE LIKE THAT. That's ridiculous. That is the problem we are having now in today church's church musicians are not committed to there own church too busy always trying to make a fast buck. Learn how to pray more, seek more of God and be more involved in your church. You're not going to get blessed by blessing your ownself! YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND PRAY AGAIN. 

     There are a couple things that need to be addressed. "Work First. Church Second." This comment can be taken various ways. Don't be so quick to take the worst viewpoint. Alot of people tend to mix up "Body of Christ" and "Church" (gathering place). Too many people are caught up in "going to the church BUILDING". Who cares where a person plays or worships? The worship and praise goes to God. A "church" isn't needed to experience God. The committment is to GOD 1st, not a group of people.
     As far as the money aspect, maybe more churches should get real and INVEST into the music department and not be SLOoooooow about it. The "church" experience has become too political. Way too many hoops to jump through. Folks want good music. Folks want the musicians to be on their "A" game. They want 7 rehearsals before Sunday. People expect all of this without realizing that musicians have expenses and BILLS just like everyone else. If "the church" was doing what it was suppossed to be doing in this case, someone would have seen the need and helped this person in their time of need. The need for finances doesn't equate to a lack of a relationship with God.
     Too many people are TOO involved with "church" and not involved enough with GOD! You can't blame all of the "church's" problems on the musician's needs and/or priorities.
     As far as "Blessing oneself"...... A person won't get blessed by sitting there and doing nothing. A person can have all the faith in the world. But it amounts to ZERO until you put it into action.

[bigblackdrummer]

Wow...I'm just APPALLED that you would say WORK FIRST. CHURCH SECOND. Have you gone mad...! I mean just mad! What church are you attending? Who is your pastor? Let me guess..You're doing that now. DON'T EVER GIVE ADVICE LIKE THAT. That's ridiculous. That is the problem we are having now in today church's church musicians are not committed to there own church too busy always trying to make a fast buck. Learn how to pray more, seek more of God and be more involved in your church. You're not going to get blessed by blessing your ownself! YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND PRAY AGAIN. 

Be appalled!!!! No matter how you look at it its work, straight up!!! 1 Timothy 5:18 (King James Version):For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. Wage in other translations!

1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

A good read...  http://fm2.forministry.com/Article.asp?Channel=Home&SubChannel=Main&Record=2908