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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2008, 09:55:15 AM »
You could save about $250 and get a Vox Tonelab SE used. They don't make the SE models anymore, and most of the guys that want to sell it just flat out don't know how to use it. I have seen them used for as low as $200. Don't get an effects board that can(paint the house), that stuff is alot of times is only good to wow the kids. This pedal board has all of the effects that the others do. Remember! When you are playing with other musicians, the best effect you can have is a good sound.

i'm sorry...but the tonelab se is pretty limited effects wise. sure it has a few to choose from....but there is much flexibility/tweakability there. you can get some good sounds out of them....but i think there are better options.

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2008, 11:34:29 AM »
Not really that limited. Alot of the effects that come out on some of these new effects boards are nothing new. Alot of the new features on alot of the new ones are just gear setup options. It all comes down to delay, modulation, reverb, and of course a good wah, which I suggest the Dunlop 535Q. May God  lead you to a decision.

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2008, 10:26:54 PM »
Not really that limited. Alot of the effects that come out on some of these new effects boards are nothing new. Alot of the new features on alot of the new ones are just gear setup options. It all comes down to delay, modulation, reverb, and of course a good wah, which I suggest the Dunlop 535Q. May God  lead you to a decision.

depends on how much tweakability you need and how much you get to experiment. I need a lot of tweakability and variety...the next guy may not. one thing that Line6 does that owns everyone else is the computer based editor for the pod. hook up your pod via usb...all your parameters are on the monitor. tweak something in the editing app on the comp...it's changed on the pod. so much easier than scrolling through menus and pushing buttons all night just trying to change a few settings.

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2008, 09:13:55 AM »
The good part of the Tonelab series is that is it analog as well as the computer set up options as well, plus the tube, which really gives a nice warmth to the tone. But this is just my preference.

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2008, 03:31:02 PM »
The good part of the Tonelab series is that is it analog as well as the computer set up options as well, plus the tube, which really gives a nice warmth to the tone. But this is just my preference.

It's been shown time and time again that the presence of a single 12ax7 tube in an otherwise completely silicon-based circuit hardly introduces what some consider "warmth".
Yet I digress...if you think that it adds "warmth", so be it.  ;D
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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2008, 04:07:16 PM »
It's been shown time and time again that the presence of a single 12ax7 tube in an otherwise completely silicon-based circuit hardly introduces what some consider "warmth".
Yet I digress...if you think that it adds "warmth", so be it.  ;D

For the most part, I think "warmth" is a buzz-word for inaudible distortion (to the regular ear).

So, slapping a tube in the path makes a difference only depending on how it's driven, where it is in the path, etc.

Just like a tube mic pre. I like the one I have, but it's really not noticeable until you crank the gain to just under the breakup point of the tube... and then who's to say that "warmth" isn't being added by the loading of the numerous transistors in that circuit as well?

I have a FET-based booster that I love, it adds warmth...

It's all based on application and execution, really (and about 85% perception to be honest--and this is coming from a tube guy lol).

Really, putting a tube pre in front of a digital effects engine... kinda silly. "Warm" up the signal to then tear it to binary shreds, process it, and then piece it back together as an analog signal before feeding it to your amp? That doesn't add up in my tone equation.

However, feed your signal through a digital processor, then to a tube power amp... I could maybe go to bat for that.

Maybe  ;)  ;)  ;)

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2008, 06:23:56 PM »
All I know is how it sounds, I have adjusted the tube all the way up and then set set the distortion level back on the amp settings, and I get a very full sound. Also being that I play through a keyboard amp. I do that because it has no built in preamp that I have to fight, since the TLSE already has it taken care of. Then you can hear what the difference is. Also amazing clean channel tones, but of course many factors are involved in tone also.

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2008, 06:15:20 AM »
All I know is how it sounds, I have adjusted the tube all the way up and then set set the distortion level back on the amp settings, and I get a very full sound. Also being that I play through a keyboard amp. I do that because it has no built in preamp that I have to fight, since the TLSE already has it taken care of. Then you can hear what the difference is. Also amazing clean channel tones, but of course many factors are involved in tone also.

I don't have a lot of experience with that unit personally, I was just making a generalization about tube-y-ness all-around.

If you can tell a difference, that's what matters.

Ask anyone around here... I'm a tube nazi, I just happen to have a moment of clarity occasionally.  ;D

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2008, 08:45:36 AM »
For the most part, I think "warmth" is a buzz-word for inaudible distortion (to the regular ear).


Exactly. Most of these modern circuits that contain a single pre-amp tube already have an entire pre-amp circuit which it solid state in design. All the addition of the tube does is add even more preamplification which, typically, adds low-level analog distortion to the signal.
That's what's being sold as "warmth" these days when in actuality it's nothing like the "warmth" that comes from a genuine class A or even a class A/B tube amplifier.

Regardless, if it sounds good to the player (and hopefully the listener) then it doesn't matter if it takes old fish bones and dried rose petals to create the tone.  ;D
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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2008, 08:50:26 AM »
Well nothing can actually replace the true tube sound of a tube amp.

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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2008, 11:25:58 AM »
Well nothing can actually replace the true tube sound of a tube amp.

True.
I tried what might be called the best of both worlds this weekend: a Line 6 Spider Valve 112.
Overall, it's a great amp, mostly for it's modeling/effects versatility and it's Bogner-designed tubeishness  ;D but it STILL has that inherent shrill synthetic nature of DSP-based audio.
A Bad Cat/Matchless/Top Hat/etc it will never be. 'Course, it's also at least a third of the cost of any of those amps.  ;)
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Re: Effects Pedal
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2008, 03:19:19 PM »
True.
I tried what might be called the best of both worlds this weekend: a Line 6 Spider Valve 112.
Overall, it's a great amp, mostly for it's modeling/effects versatility and it's Bogner-designed tubeishness  ;D but it STILL has that inherent shrill synthetic nature of DSP-based audio.
A Bad Cat/Matchless/Top Hat/etc it will never be. 'Course, it's also at least a third of the cost of any of those amps.  ;)

that presence knob on the SV will tame most of that dave....but your right....it will never be a high-end boutique tube amp.

of course, nonoe fo those amps give you the versatility of the SV.....so it's all about what you are going for.
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