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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2008, 08:54:03 AM »
It's not really the COGIC music or musicians I don't like, it's how the COGIC organization is run that I don't like.
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2008, 08:55:21 AM »
It's not really the COGIC music or musicians I don't like, it's how the COGIC organization is run that I don't like.

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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2008, 07:47:14 PM »
C.O.G.I.C = Church Of God In Christ

I played for COGIC church for 25 years. I was there during the transition period from anthems, hymns, gospel to contermporary gospel. That's why I can pick what style I want to play songs in. In know them all but I leave this current neo-gospel stuff to you young people :)



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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2008, 07:59:21 PM »
Thank you u13 & Mr Tolbert--these were really helpfully..
Now at least I know what C.O.G.I.C stands for.. 8)
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2008, 08:31:39 PM »
Mr Tolbert makes it look so easy...but it aint!!!! :'( :'( :'(
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2008, 08:36:29 PM »
Mr Tolbert makes it look so easy...but it aint!!!! :'( :'( :'(

True man..If you watch these vids it's like U finally have grasped it, but then try playing the stuff on the board & it's another story >:( :'(
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2008, 11:15:49 PM »
I have not been 'on the scene' long enough, nor have I known 'the right people'.  Therefore, I play whatever my brain can grasp.  Be it something off of youtube; looking over the shoulder of a cogic, non-denomination, pentecostal, whatever musician; from this website; off of any artist's cd, from Luther Barnes to J. Moss.  I cannot understand the concept of falling into a musical...(what's the word) niche, based on what denomination I am.  Its almost closed minded.  I'm glad I haven't fallen into this rut.  However, I suppose if I ever got the oppurtunity to play out at different churches, people would look at me like I had 2 heads because of my 'style'.  One of the main things that turns me off of 'church musicians' is that they are so clique-ish. 
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2008, 10:17:53 PM »
It's not really the COGIC music or musicians I don't like, it's how the COGIC organization is run that I don't like.

Wat do u mean T ??? Wat is it that u don't like about the (Church OF God In Christ)????


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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2008, 02:57:37 PM »
Hello Everyone.  I am so sorry that I am posting all late anyway.  I agree with Fenix ? 
What IS COGIC Style?"  Let us not forget who we are playing for we are not playing for MAN or for Self Glory, and if we are we need to sit down and get ourselves together.  We should all be musicians playing for GOD, because there is not division or denominations in GOD.

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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2008, 10:25:36 AM »
Hello Everyone.  I am so sorry that I am posting all late anyway.  I agree with Fenix ? 
What IS COGIC Style?"  Let us not forget who we are playing for we are not playing for MAN or for Self Glory, and if we are we need to sit down and get ourselves together.  We should all be musicians playing for GOD, because there is not division or denominations in GOD.

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Dont think we even goin into denomintaions and all that....just stating the obvious.........COGIC organist have a distinct style...like it or not.  There style has impacted the organ/keys scene a lot.  Ive seen COGIC cats go and wreck baptist, ame, all types of services....because of the style....while WELL respected cats from other organizations come through a cogic musical and get laughed at...right or wrong,thats the way it is.

You gotta remeber that.for the most part.....COGIC has always been a spontaneous, out of nowhere service where as other denominations had more structure.with specific times for certain things......others are startin to catch up but.....for the most part there is still a gap between COGIC organists and the rest. 
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2008, 05:06:12 PM »
    I've read a whole lot about how the C.O.G.I.C. has the strongest musicians. Maybe this is true in a lot of areas... but not in mine. No offense to anyone, but in my region the COGIC churches are near the bottom when it comes to musicians. I know of about 5 guys that are good organist/keyboard players from COGIC. 2 of them I would say play on a very high level.

    Everyone else that is strong musically seems to come from another denomination. I can hardly find a bass player in the COGIC churches around here.

    I feel like my area ( South Jersey) is just as strong as anywhere else. With that being said, I just don't see alot of "home-grown" talent in the COGIC churches around here. That is just my personal experience.

    I'm not trying to talk bad about the C.O.G.I.C., I play for one, but I'm just saying every area is not the same.

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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2008, 06:41:58 AM »
Dont think we even goin into denomintaions and all that....just stating the obvious.........COGIC organist have a distinct style...like it or not.  There style has impacted the organ/keys scene a lot.  Ive seen COGIC cats go and wreck baptist, ame, all types of services....because of the style....while WELL respected cats from other organizations come through a cogic musical and get laughed at...right or wrong,thats the way it is.

You gotta remeber that.for the most part.....COGIC has always been a spontaneous, out of nowhere service where as other denominations had more structure.with specific times for certain things......others are startin to catch up but.....for the most part there is still a gap between COGIC organists and the rest. 

I was raised in baptist churches my whole life and a can't fully relate to this topic but I don't think cogic has a distinct style BUT THEY APPRIECIATE the music part of service way more than baptist.... COGIC is spontaneous while baptist is more structured and I go to to COGIC musicials and play and i never got laughed at even though i saw it done before....some people asked me did i ever play in a cogic church I never knew if that was a compliment or what lol i guess it is now ;D ;D
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2008, 10:55:12 AM »
Cogic Style ??...I grew up my early years in the Grand Ole….I literally grew up listening to 8 tracks of Elbertina Clark playing at conventions and the like.  However, locally, the musicians played traditional,most didn’t even chord with two hands(early to mid 80’s) and pretty much if you knew a few choir songs, a good shout, and a congregational song for testimony service(play one you can play them all)….you were in there…In my experience there were  two things that affected my playing style :

1.  A young man at 15 years of age and his family began to attend a church in our district…., and he did things on a Hammond that none of us had ever conceived or dreamt(truly a prodigy).  He was completely out of the box, and caused me to look at what was pretty standard music, never the same again.  No need to bring up his name, as over the years he has been a contentious topic on this board (I do not know him well, but as a kid he was always nice to me).  But in my experience, to this day, I’ve not seen another person with my own two eyes, do what I’ve seen this gentleman do with an organ…and no I’m not biased because he is not even my favorite organist, but in regards to me and my contemporaries he greatly affected what it was to be a COGIC organist, and he has a TREMEDNOUS gift, and had had significant impact as an inovative gospel musician

2.  Saints in praise…many forget that it was a COGIC church that introduced the concept of praise teams, and worshipful music into many black Pentecostal churches.  I’m not being critical, just offering some history, context and my experience….but while I was still rocking “I’m a soooollllldier …in the army of the Lord “…. Judy McAllister and Patrick Henderson was introducing “ We bring the sacrifice of Praise into…& I exalllllt Thhheeee……and Whose report will you believe?  We shall believe the report of the Lord.”……Now our white brothers had been doing this music since the 70’s with the Charismatic movement, but West Angeles (a cogic church) was one of the first to introduce it on a national level to black churches, but for many years what Bishop Blake was doing, was rejected by many main stream cogic churches

**anyway this caused a shift in my playing styles..as we moved from singing about us, and our struggles, into singing to God.  Also, we left COGIC in 1989 and Ive played in all sorts of  churches, but invariably no matter what part of the country I’m in, if I’m checking out a board in Guitar Center, someone will invariably listen to me and say “are you COGIC”..LOL…the answer is NO, but it is where I started and developed roots.

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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2008, 12:44:40 PM »
^^^ IRT to the above post, why do you have all these funny symbols and stuff? It makes it very hard to read.
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2008, 12:50:54 AM »
C.O.G.I.C = Church Of God In Christ
I played for COGIC church for 25 years. I was there during the transition period from anthems, hymns, gospel to contermporary gospel. That's why I can pick what style I want to play songs in. In know them all but I leave this current neo-gospel stuff to you young people :)

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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2008, 06:12:03 PM »
I think its cuz the older musicians truly played "by ear". How many times have i heard some dude say how lucky we are cuz we got the internet and youtube and DVDs and such. In the "old" days, they had to slow down the record or play it over and over again to get what was going on. In that way they developed their own style.

Nowadays we just tend to copy other folk. We will use the very same inversions, fingerings, voicings and what have you.

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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2008, 10:19:51 PM »
One Thing about COGIC musicians they know that organ and just all the right keys and chords to play!!! ;) Elder Samuel Brown-Organ is who I learn under. Refuge C.O.G.I.C.
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2008, 07:34:25 AM »
One Thing about COGIC musicians they know that organ and just all the right keys and chords to play!!! ;) Elder Samuel Brown-Organ is who I learn under. Refuge C.O.G.I.C.
no disrespect i think this a ignorant statement
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2008, 08:26:40 AM »
no disrespect i think this a ignorant statement

Why? you cant just say that kind of stuff and not explain why.
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Re: COGIC Musicians
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2008, 06:00:58 PM »
Why? you cant just say that kind of stuff and not explain why.
yeah you right it does sound harsh........... my fault. You just cant say COGIC Musicians know the organ and know what chords and keys to play its somewhat disrespecting the other denominations, im baptist so that means i cant play the organ and don't know chords. Im not hating on COGIC or the person who said that thats there opinion but it makes him seemed sheltered
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