Explain this progression please

[ddw4e]

Extremely

[csedwards2]

If this is truly in Ab, where is the Ab major chord?

[Fenix]

If this is truly in Ab, where is the Ab major chord?

I am so late but it's in Ab

6 - F C F/ G Ab Bb Eb

1- Ab Eb/ Gb Bb C F

b5 (passing)- D A D/ Gb C E Ab- passing chord 2 beats (This is a Big Boy chord, be careful)  Grin

4 - Db Ab Db/ F Ab Bb Eb

3 - C G C/ E Ab Bb Eb

6 - F C F/ Ebmaj

You can say it's a common progression for a vamp because it loops. I can't tell you what songs right now, but I heard in some songs.

Its the chord in bold. Its an Ab13.

[csedwards2]

Its the chord in bold. Its an Ab13.

you would be correct, if the chord in bold was an Abmajor13. Its just a plain old Ab13.

[T-Block]

you would be correct, if the chord in bold was an Abmajor13. Its just a plain old Ab13.

I see where u going wit dis cs.  The true key is F minor, but the progression is named using Ab major.

[csedwards2]

I see where u going wit dis cs.  The true key is F minor, but the progression is named using Ab major.

How would the progression be named in Ab if its in Fm? Seriously, I truly dont understand that one.

[Fenix]

How would the progression be named in Ab if its in Fm? Seriously, I truly dont understand that one.

F minor is the relative minor of Ab major.

you would be correct, if the chord in bold was an Abmajor13. Its just a plain old Ab13.

I thought that was what i said.

Its the chord in bold. Its an Ab13.

[csedwards2]

so are you saying that in using the number sytm to analyze a progression you use the major key to do so, even if its in a minor key. Seems like that'd be confusing

[Fenix]

so are you saying that in using the number sytm to analyze a progression you use the major key to do so, even if its in a minor key. Seems like that'd be confusing

Well a lot of folks are used to using the number system in the context of a major scale. So yes, i do use the major key to analyze progressions, even if it starts off minor. Same difference.

[Wolfram]

Do you see where the system now rears its ugly head...  This is a topic of discussion in another thread about changing minor's to majors and then basing your chords off of that... 

I believe (and most of the secular world) you should base your chords off the actual KEY of the song (Tonic) and then go from there.  That way there is no mistaking what you are saying....   Use the KISS method and all is well, don't re-invent what is already been invented... 


P.S.  It is NOT the same difference...  Learn how to analyze the song in the minor key so you can tell people the actual and truly correct chords

[Fenix]

Do you see where the system now rears its ugly head...  This is a topic of discussion in another thread about changing minor's to majors and then basing your chords off of that... 

I believe (and most of the secular world) you should base your chords off the actual KEY of the song (Tonic) and then go from there.  That way there is no mistaking what you are saying....   Use the KISS method and all is well, don't re-invent what is already been invented... 


P.S.  It is NOT the same difference...  Learn how to analyze the song in the minor key so you can tell people the actual and truly correct chords

I started doing that for my choir but they just kept telling me to just give them the major key the song is bassd off of. It kid of stuck with me. Of course i prefer to do it the "proper" way but i play for a choir with members that have virtually NO music theory knowledge so i keep it simple.

Simple.

[Wolfram]

I am not at a board so this is a top of my head thing...  I am unsure of the passing chord, but here is my two cents:

Fm11 
Ab13   
DØ
Db13
C7+(#9)
Falt (Ebmaj/F)

Numerically:  i¹¹ - III¹³ - #vi¹³ - VI¹³ - V^(#5,#9) - I^alt

I will make adjustments once I get to a keyboard

This was modified thanks to the help of T and CS!

[T-Block]

so are you saying that in using the number sytm to analyze a progression you use the major key to do so, even if its in a minor key. Seems like that'd be confusing

That's exactly what I do man.  Whenever I am playing in a minor key I'm always thinking major.  It's hard for me to think exclusively minor.  It may be confusing to some, but it's perfectly fine for me.

I can analyze progressions amd stuff using minor, I just choose to use major cuz it's easier to me.  Like I said earlier, I guess I should stop doing that. 

[T-Block]

I am not at a board so this is a top of my head thing...  I am unsure of the passing chord, but here is my two cents:

Fm11 
Ab13   
DØ
Db13
C7+(#9)
Falt (Ebmaj/F)

Numerically:  i¹¹ - IV¹³ - #vi¹³ - VI¹³ - V^(#5,#9) - I^alt

I will make adjustments once I get to a keyboard

Wouldn't that Ab be a III instead of a IV in F minor?

[Wolfram]

You are correct... thanks.  That is a glaring oops 

[Wolfram]

 

[Wolfram]

I started doing that for my choir but they just kept telling me to just give them the major key the song is bassd off of. It kid of stuck with me. Of course i prefer to do it the "proper" way but i play for a choir with members that have virtually NO music theory knowledge so i keep it simple.

Simple.

So if you told them that it was in Fm and they had no musical theiry background, What difference would it make?  They are not putting the chords together in their heads.  All they are doing is enabling and reinforcing an "easy way out" 

When I sing, it is imperative that I know the song is in a minor key.  The harmony changes drastically.  So do cadences and leading tones.  It seems like a lot of hoop jumping just to avoid learning to do something the normal way.

I am not knocking it, I am just saying that it sure seems like a lot more effort to see a key and think of another key just because you don't want to or can't think in the original key... Sounds like the transposition arguement in reverse... 

[csedwards2]

wouldnt the Ab be a III, and not a bIII, seeing as though a III in a minor key is already major.

[Wolfram]

wouldnt the Ab be a III, and not a bIII, seeing as though a III in a minor key is already major.

ya that is true too!  It must have been a real brain phaze day for me yesterday

[T-Block]

You are correct... thanks.  That is a glaring oops 

It's o.k. man, I assumed it was a typo. 

wouldnt the Ab be a III, and not a bIII, seeing as though a III in a minor key is already major.

U a little late bro, I asked that too.  LOL! 

I am not knocking it, I am just saying that it sure seems like a lot more effort to see a key and think of another key just because you don't want to or can't think in the original key... Sounds like the transposition arguement in reverse... 

U make a good point here.