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Offline seemunny

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Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« on: July 23, 2008, 02:52:52 AM »
Do yall think that drummers of today have more solid timing than drummers of yesterday?

I ask that because drummers of yesterday never grew up listening to perfectly "quantized" beats, whereas today's "musicians" did.

Also, even if you listen to some of what we call "classic" songs, you can hear the timing kinda slippin', but back then, that didn't even matter to make it a "classic".

So with that, what do yall think - (generally speaking), is there any truth to the idea that today's drummer's have more "accurate & steady" timing than drummers of yesterday?


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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2008, 03:51:36 AM »
I would have to disagree...some of the drummers I've played with had/have no timing at all. 
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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2008, 09:15:14 AM »
I think for the most part Today's top drummers have better timiming as far as pin point accuracy is concerned because most popular music is loop/click oriented. But with things like Pro Tools Beat Detective drumers are starting to get lazy as far as time is concerned...
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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2008, 11:27:56 AM »
I can't really call it on this one. These days it's a lot easier to keep time playing with a click track or MPC(for some, not all), so I can't really say whether it's better now days. On the other hand, I can say that the knowledge, and execution of time and various time signatures are better now days because the older music just didn't incorporate too many different time signatures and tempos to study and play to depending on what time of music you listed to in those days.

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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2008, 09:00:36 PM »
I can't really call it on this one. These days it's a lot easier to keep time playing with a click track or MPC(for some, not all), so I can't really say whether it's better now days. On the other hand, I can say that the knowledge, and execution of time and various time signatures are better now days because the older music just didn't incorporate too many different time signatures and tempos to study and play to depending on what time of music you listed to in those days.

I disagree on the comment that older music didn't incorporate too many different time signatures. In fact the knowledge of only a select few and their execution of time is better. The majority today has gotten so dependant on MPC, ProTools, Beat Detective, Loops etc that they cannot play time time without them. Because of the over use of these mechanisms today's music doesn't flow as well nor does it interact with the listener as well on an emotional/spiritual level.


In response to the general post:

The guys with the most exceptional timing these days are the guys who study the fundamentals of music - classical, jazz improv, and Middle-Eastern/Indian and African based music and play to records of old. Technology now allows them to more accuratley measure what was inatley played before. Guys like Jojo, Virgil, Thomas Lang, Marco Minnemann, Benny Greb, Johnny Rabb, Gavin Harrison, Antonio Sanchez, Chris Dave and others are not dependent on technology but exploit it's possibilities by commanding it's control through mental preparation and physical discipline. Most of these guys actually want to return to playing music without clicks.

Everything vibrates, pulses...sound, light, objects all cycle in peaks and valleys with consistent rhythmic landmarks (because they were spoken into existence). How you travel this path tells the musical story. Man has gotten further and further away from it's natural cycle. We now have to train ourselves to play time rather than infusing our natural time upon the musical vision at had. The heart and soul of the listener now rarely has any sustainable connection to the music of today.

Bottom line:
1. Technology is a tool that is abused today
2. Man has become distracted lazy and abdicated his leadership to electronics.
3. The lack of self-discipline of man is evident in the vast inability to maintain consistant time without machinery and the inability to hear the heart over the machine.
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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2008, 10:48:01 PM »
I disagree on the comment that older music didn't incorporate too many different time signatures. In fact the knowledge of only a select few and their execution of time is better. The majority today has gotten so dependant on MPC, ProTools, Beat Detective, Loops etc that they cannot play time time without them. Because of the over use of these mechanisms today's music doesn't flow as well nor does it interact with the listener as well on an emotional/spiritual level.

I hear you Sabe and I see what you are saying. I didn't mean all older music in a broad sense, but rather my personal journey. I grew up hearing a lot of Al Green, Milton Brunson, Rance Allen and music like that. Not that the 5/4, 6/4, 7/4 etc..signatures weren't out there and available to learn from, but the bulk of what I grew up on didn't branch out and break away from the traditional church sound of the 80's and early 90's. All I knew was 3/4 and 4/4 because that was all I heard and was allowed to hear in my house and that's all I played.

Once I got to high school then I heard a lot more variations, different styles, gained knowledge, branched out into jazz, classical, rock, fusion, african/indian based styles and music etc.....Hearing Bernard Purdy and Rick Marotta on Steely Dan's AJA album completely changed my approach to music and sound. I started listening to music like Sade and playing to those albums and if you can keep time with a Sade track then you can keep time with anyone IMHO. Her tracks are awesome to work on timing with.

I do feel that now days the MPC's, Protools etc....take away a certain feel and connection to the listener. I've always preferred to hire a percussionist and allow them to work freely to add flavor and feel to a song rather than a MPC or programmed track.

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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 12:57:14 AM »

I hear you Sabe and I see what you are saying. I didn't mean all older music in a broad sense, but rather my personal journey. I grew up hearing a lot of Al Green, Milton Brunson, Rance Allen and music like that. Not that the 5/4, 6/4, 7/4 etc..signatures weren't out there and available to learn from, but the bulk of what I grew up on didn't branch out and break away from the traditional church sound of the 80's and early 90's. All I knew was 3/4 and 4/4 because that was all I heard and was allowed to hear in my house and that's all I played.

Once I got to high school then I heard a lot more variations, different styles, gained knowledge, branched out into jazz, classical, rock, fusion, african/indian based styles and music etc.....Hearing Bernard Purdy and Rick Marotta on Steely Dan's AJA album completely changed my approach to music and sound. I started listening to music like Sade and playing to those albums and if you can keep time with a Sade track then you can keep time with anyone IMHO. Her tracks are awesome to work on timing with.

I do feel that now days the MPC's, Protools etc....take away a certain feel and connection to the listener. I've always preferred to hire a percussionist and allow them to work freely to add flavor and feel to a song rather than a MPC or programmed track.

Exactly. I am with you on hiring/working with a live percussionist.

I agree with you on the Sade stuff too.
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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 01:08:39 AM »
There are more people in the world now than ever before.

Based on that logic one would assume that there are more drummers who can't keep time to save, not only their own lives, but everyone around them.

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Re: Timing; Yesterday vs Today
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 01:17:47 AM »
There are more people in the world now than ever before.

Based on that logic one would assume that there are more drummers who can't keep time to save, not only their own lives, but everyone around them.

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