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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2008, 10:27:46 PM »
Did someone just say Gerald's been playing the same since 1985?  :D If that is true - that's extreme negligence. Also, without a doubt, Gerald was influential. He influenced my playing style - but that was certainly years ago. I was burnt out on Gerald by the late 90's, and he's still sounding the same.

Right now, he makes ME cry when he play.

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2008, 11:38:25 PM »
Did someone just say Gerald's been playing the same since 1985?  :D If that is true - that's extreme negligence. Also, without a doubt, Gerald was influential. He influenced me playing style - but that was certainly years ago. I was burnt out on Gerald by the late 90's, and he's still sounding the same.

Right now, he makes ME cry when he play.

i heard you make people cry when you play to... lol... you must use that alot dont ya??? lol

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2008, 01:56:03 PM »
He's sure influenced me, that was a great clip. I do hear the same things sometimes but hey he's a great drummer and look at all the gospel and secular artists he's played for

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2008, 04:21:56 PM »
Gerald has earned his respect by his quality recordings, work and I give him his respect as a musician, but the clip wasn't anything I don't hear from some dude everytime I walk into Guitar Center or Sam Ash Music. :-\   In all honesty, I don't think he took anything seriously on this clip, because I didn't see him do the bounce  ;D  That's when you know he's in the zone. Like Lamont Sydnor!  ;D  ;D

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2008, 04:48:10 PM »
Gerald has earned his respect by his quality recordings, work and I give him his respect as a musician, but the clip wasn't anything I don't hear from some dude everytime I walk into Guitar Center or Sam Ash Music. :-\   In all honesty, I don't think he took anything seriously on this clip, because I didn't see him do the bounce  ;D  That's when you know he's in the zone. Like Lamont Sydnor!  ;D  ;D

agreed.

You must be out of your mind to say that Weckl has been playing the same over the years lol!  Weckl is the very reason for the inexcusable performances from Gerald.  Weckl keeps getting better.  So does Chick Corea.  Age is no excuse people.  Retire if you're washed up lol!  That's how I see it.  It would be pretty sad if someone posted a recent clip of me and it had to be defended by my playing 20 years ago lol!  And Gerald did not influence all of us.  I never knew who he was.  Some of us grew up on Ladell.  And I'm proud to say that my influence is not washed up by any means.  Ladell is still killin.  :)

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2008, 08:02:28 PM »
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( How dare you all to talk about Gerald Heyward. Gerald is the Father of controversial threads in this forum :D :D :D :D

Just playing. There's not much negative that I can say about Gerald's playing. He's one of those guys that I love to hear and not see. There's something about his posture and movement behind the kit that makes me squirm. With that said, I love to hear him in a band/recording situation because he holds it down and keeps it solid. Seeing him in this type of situation doesn't intrigue me at all. Even still, he's a good drummer.
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2008, 09:25:17 AM »
Did Gerald hit his peak back in 1993/4? I thought he was a lot better during the era when he recorded that classic with James Hall.


I think you're thinking about eddie heyward, i don't think gerald played for james hall.

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2008, 07:01:10 PM »

I think you're thinking about eddie heyward, i don't think gerald played for james hall.

gerald has played with James Hall.

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2008, 08:49:33 PM »
gerald has played with James Hall.

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2008, 11:10:55 PM »
It was an okclip. IMHO whenever I see clips of Gerald it seems like he plays a lot the same grooves, does the same stick tricks and the same fills/licks. I'm not trying to hate, its just what i see!

Gerald can play a lot of licks and has great chops but he's not a soloist, and he does not have to be!!! Also Steve Gadd plays the same licks all the time too! ......But like Steve, Gerald is a legend too! If it wasn't for him gospel & hip hop/r&b drumming would not be what it is now! Trust me, Im younger then he is but old enough to remember what is was like before him.
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2008, 11:15:23 PM »
Um, all Gerald is doing in this clip is fulfilling his obligation in helping Zildjian sell some cymbals be it that he has an endorsement deal with them.  Hence ALL of the cymblas in the background.  Gerald is working as we speak while you all bicker over nothing.  Whether he is "past his prime" or not, he's got the Usher gig.  What are you all doing?  It aint that serious yall.
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2008, 11:15:39 PM »
Did Gerald hit his peak back in 1993/4? I thought he was a lot better during the era when he recorded that classic with James Hall.

No not at all. He had to calm down to keep his gigs. You think he could play for guys like Chris Brown or Beyonce flying licks every where like he use to!? The mans a machine when it comes to time and groove and feel that's a real drummer!!!
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2008, 11:18:41 PM »
I would also like to add that I am not putting Mr. Heyward on a pedatal and negating any of your abilities as a drummer.  I'm just saying that it makes no sense to decide whether or not someone has "still got it" when they are constantly working.  I believe it speaks for itself.
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2008, 11:19:51 PM »
I would also like to add that I am not putting Mr. Heyward on a pedastal and negating any of your abilities as a drummer.  I'm just saying that it makes no sense to decide whether or not someone has "still got it" when they are constantly working.  I believe it speaks for itself.

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2008, 11:21:50 PM »
U know what crazy 2TallDrummer that in 2008 cats play his licks every sunday and don't even know it! U hit the nail right on the head. It'salil sad that cats don't know there history, it's even alil disrespectful but 2 each his own.

And the funny thing is some of these guys don't know how stupid they sound when the say dumb things like he's over rated, like he just came on the scene or something. LOL! Most of you (who can) play his licks that he brought out in 1986 (before some of you were even a sperm) still today!!!!! Why do you think guys like Calvin and Aaron big him up!!!!
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2008, 11:28:31 PM »

Nobody is trying to take away from the fact that Gerald has contributed to Gospel and R&B music in such a big way! And yes, what Gerald decides to play is his signature, yes! BUT! Why can't he adapt? Whats wrong with adapting? Or better yet, whats wrong with renovating or (blaring horns!) CHANGE! Yes, I'll agree that Gerald has always been working but think about this, what would happen if drummers of today who play in church, got their musical chops (fundamentals) on point and could play every phrase that Gerald can currently play, do you think he'll still be working as much 5-10 years from now? (Ignore the fact that he's almost in his 40's)

But why does he have to adapt? To please people like you!? Does he have to, heck no! He's still first call for artists half his age!!! Adapt! That's just stupid!! He almost single handedly invented what gospel cats are doing today, he is the platform that most of you are standing on!!!!! And in that clip I saw him trying to do new things that others are doing today, he also holds sheds and learns from them too!!!
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2008, 11:34:37 PM »
But why does he have to adapt? To please people like you!? Does he have to, heck no! He's still first call for artists half his age!!! Adapt! That's just stupid!! He almost single handedly invented what gospel cats are doing today, he is the platform that most of you are standing on!!!!! And in that clip I saw him trying to do new things that others are doing today, he also holds sheds and learns from them too!!!

I agree.  When one adapts, they don't set themelves apart which is the key in this business.

Now yall go buy some Zildjians as played by Gerald Heyward in the clip(shameless plug even though I'm a Sabian cat.) 
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2008, 11:39:07 PM »
You must be out of your mind to say that Weckl has been playing the same over the years lol!  Weckl is the very reason for the inexcusable performances from Gerald.  Weckl keeps getting better.  So does Chick Corea.  Age is no excuse people.  Retire if you're washed up lol!  That's how I see it.  It would be pretty sad if someone posted a recent clip of me and it had to be defended by my playing 20 years ago lol!  And Gerald did not influence all of us.  I never knew who he was.  Some of us grew up on Liddell.  And I'm proud to say that my influence is not washed up by any means.  Ladell is still killin.  :)

Yes he was wrong on Weckl BIG TIME!!! That dude only gets better and only proves that age should not be an excuse!!!!

Now on to your post; Then you need to tell Steve Gadd to quit and some of the big and not so big legends who you might deem of their game!!! I don't understand why some of you feel that Gerald has to do a blaze clip of stuff that younger people are doing to be respected!!! Guy even Ladell was lifting Gerald stuff back in the day (Ive heard him at several gigs) , so yes indirectly you are influenced by Gerald!!!!
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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2008, 12:07:33 AM »
The point i was making was that yes Weckl is incredible and is better than he was 20 yrs ago, but nobody ask him to adapt or conform. He has his place just like they have their place in drumming. I love Weckl, dude is amazing but i have mad respect 4 Gee. LOL i saw Weckl play at yamaha groove night back in Janurary at NAMM and he wasn't that great. Do it erase who he is, and what he's done, or what he's meant 2 drumming? NO!!!

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Re: Gerald Heyward
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2008, 05:17:34 AM »
It's not JUST that Gerald still sounds the same...

...but, compared to the other guys that were named, Gerald's vocab is a tad bit limited. However, many drummers, consciously or subconsciously, have a need to prove their worth to other drummers. That's why so many drummers styles are 'drummer-pleasing', as opposed to "audience-pleasing".

The crowd, generally, wants to feel the music of a collective effort. Drummers generally tune everyone out, and derive their enjoyment from the drummer doing things that they can't do.....yet. Which is the whole point of checking you out. As soon as they get to a set, they're going to try what they heard you play.

Every instrument is a world of it's own, and many people that live in it. That's the root of the problem, in my opinion. Too cliquish. Key players , in a crowd of other musicians, will mingle amongst themselves. The same for everyone else. This leads to talk about technical blah-blah that only someone from your instrument will care too much about. However, once we liberate ourselves from that clique mentality, you can't have a stimulating conversation about music, unless it's about the music. A guitar player doesn't really care to hear about your ability to spin the stick on your tongue, for too long. The one thing you have in common, is that you both play music.

Not sure what in the heck any of this has to do with Gerald - but when you figure it out, let me know.

PS: The rant above, of course, does not apply to all. However, I've been in very few conversations where drummers talked about playing for the music. However, I've listened in on far too many where people talked about sheds, or how restricted they feel in a musical setting.

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