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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2008, 11:34:34 PM »
hence my point. we do things for right now then forget. wonder why we keep failing?
Some of it is human nature like you said in your previous post. God has to allow certain things to happen lest we forget WHO'S REALLY IN CHARGE!! Notice that every single time a big time tragedy like this happens, the first thing folks wanna sing is...."Aaaamazing grace how sweet duh sound" :'( :'( Folks finally realize that God exists when tragedies happen. It's a dawg gone shame but its the truth.
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2008, 02:12:16 AM »
i remember the amount of "visible patriotism" was so NAUSEATINGLY abundant......

hm, wonder'd where'd it all go?





(I'll take complacency for $500, Alex...)

This is exactly my point.  It was that same complacency that allowed them to do everything they needed to do to perform  9/11.  Thats my issue.  Thats why Im wondering (and still havent got any answers) to why ppl would think its an inside job or conspiracy when we practically gave it to them.  They didnt do it from overseas.  It was all on US SOIL.  The planning, training, and execution. 
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2008, 07:29:40 AM »
This is exactly my point.  It was that same complacency that allowed them to do everything they needed to do to perform  9/11.  Thats my issue.  Thats why Im wondering (and still havent got any answers) to why ppl would think its an inside job or conspiracy when we practically gave it to them.  They didnt do it from overseas.  It was all on US SOIL.  The planning, training, and execution. 

agreed. it is to easy and convient (sp) to say conspiracy. the real truth (IMO) is to look at ourselves as a people (nation) and see the sin of hubris among others that led, and will lead to more downfalls.

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2008, 08:07:32 AM »
hubris indeed.

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2008, 07:46:10 AM »
This is exactly my point.  It was that same complacency that allowed them to do everything they needed to do to perform  9/11.  Thats my issue.  Thats why Im wondering (and still havent got any answers) to why ppl would think its an inside job or conspiracy when we practically gave it to them.  They didnt do it from overseas.  It was all on US SOIL.  The planning, training, and execution. 

Hey, there are some good questions that should be answered. Like the guy who owned the buildings said on PBS regarding the 3rd building that fell:

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein

I seen the guy say this on PBS.  It's statements like this that's raising all the issues.  People all over the world who work in the profession of demolition were jolted from that comment.  Their response was that it takes days, maybe a week, perhaps, to PREPARE a 47-story building for demolition, not hours. 

If this guy, Silverstein, is saying that this building was brought down, the people who do this for a living are saying that that would mean the 3rd building was already prepared waaay before that day arrived.  So, why attack people who ask questions?  Yes there's complacency.

Now, if you don't want to question that, cool.  But why get emotionally distraught and upset when others do throw some questions out there? 

If people are getting 'stomped and tazed' just for asking questions, that strong physical reaction alone should draw concern and attention to everyone, regardless of what the question was.  But instead, the typical response is, "Good for you.  You need to stop asking questions..." 

Okay.  I'm done.  I'm not responding to any more conspiracy comments.  You guys can take the floor back and say whatever you wanna (and gonna) about me.

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2008, 08:24:01 AM »
Ummmm...you alright over there? LOL.  I hope that wasnt directed at me (even though Im the one you quoted).  I just dont buy into when ppl start saying conspiracy off the bat with absolutely nothing behind it, which has happened.  Youre the only one that has attempted to bring something to the table.  Emotionally distraught? :D :D I think you might want to read your own post lol.  Im just asking questions.  Im an open person to anything and respect others opinions or inquiries, but if you read back, Im doin most of the inquiring so where you get this attitude of ppl getting fired at for asking, I dont know.  Maybe that was to someone else.  *shrugs*
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2008, 07:15:25 PM »

I seen the guy say this on PBS.  It's statements like this that's raising all the issues.  People all over the world who work in the profession of demolition were jolted from that comment.  Their response was that it takes days, maybe a week, perhaps, to PREPARE a 47-story building for demolition, not hours. 



It can take days to prepare a building for demolition when it's not already sitting in a demolition zone, i.e.; next to 2 110 story buildings that just fell to the earth and everything surrounding them is damaged or destroyed.
It takes days to properly prepare most demos because they do not care to damage life and property surrounding the to-be-demo'd building.
In the case of the World Trade Center, 1 WTC, 2 WTC and 7 WTC were all destroyed due to the the planes being flown into them. 3 WTC was crushed by ! and 2 falling on it. The remaining 3 buildings were later demolished, damaged beyond repair.  Other building located near the WTC were also destroyed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center
There's no reason to take days to plan a demo of a building in which, again, everything surrounding is already demo'd.

All this conspiracy talk is just insanity, imho, and if you want to believe it then I'd expect you to also believe in the many other conspiracies that have been fabricated and unsubstantiated over many centuries.
There's as much proof for a 9/11 conspiracy as there is for the existence of UFOs and the thought that Jesus had a child, etc...
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2008, 09:37:40 PM »
wait....so Jesus and Mary M. DIDNT hook up, get married and had a blond haired blue eyed kid?   LIES!!!!!

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2008, 10:55:14 PM »
agreed. it is to easy and convient (sp) to say conspiracy. the real truth (IMO) is to look at ourselves as a people (nation) and see the sin of hubris among others that led, and will lead to more downfalls.
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wait....so Jesus and Mary M. DIDNT hook up, get married and had a blond haired blue eyed kid?   LIES!!!!!
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2008, 10:32:04 AM »
hence my point. we do things for right now then forget. wonder why we keep failing?
Kinda like Katrina.  When Ike shows up a few years later, once again we have folks who refuse to heed warning.  How quickly we forget...

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2008, 11:18:03 AM »
I don't believe katrina and Ike are one in the same. Maybe the people that stayed didn't have the financial means. Secondly conspiracies are born out of unanswered questions. The government has "classified" many of the documents that may lead to more questions being answered. Of course that's nothing new considering that the assassinations of King and Kennedy are classified for at least another 25 years. Go figure. The freedom of information act didn't retro to those docuements. You think the government has anything to hide?

I don't buy that America's trouble is due to not "blessing" God. That's church talk that get people's emotions riled up. This nation was founded under false pretenses rooted in deception, violence and religious tyranny. Strong medicine but its the truth. Lastly Paul reminded us that GOD isn't mocked so the attacks on our soil were inevitable. I will admit I'm not overly patriotic. I appreciate the fact that I'm a citizen of America but for my sanity I've learned to put America's history in proper perspective.

It's one of the reason why most Americans are duped into trusting what our leaders tell them rather than watching what they do. I can concede that the many conspiracy theories that exist maybe far fetched but some of the unanswered questions creates the environment for speculation. America is a crumbling empire but the "church" thinks it can save. Our bibles tell us that this society will not recover. SO why do we cling to this notion of America being so good or that christians being in charge would change the course of this country?
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2008, 08:23:41 PM »
I don't believe katrina and Ike are one in the same. Maybe the people that stayed didn't have the financial means. Secondly conspiracies are born out of unanswered questions. The government has "classified" many of the documents that may lead to more questions being answered. Of course that's nothing new considering that the assassinations of King and Kennedy are classified for at least another 25 years. Go figure. The freedom of information act didn't retro to those docuements. You think the government has anything to hide?

I don't buy that America's trouble is due to not "blessing" God. That's church talk that get people's emotions riled up. This nation was founded under false pretenses rooted in deception, violence and religious tyranny. Strong medicine but its the truth. Lastly Paul reminded us that GOD isn't mocked so the attacks on our soil were inevitable. I will admit I'm not overly patriotic. I appreciate the fact that I'm a citizen of America but for my sanity I've learned to put America's history in proper perspective.

It's one of the reason why most Americans are duped into trusting what our leaders tell them rather than watching what they do. I can concede that the many conspiracy theories that exist maybe far fetched but some of the unanswered questions creates the environment for speculation. America is a crumbling empire but the "church" thinks it can save. Our bibles tell us that this society will not recover. SO why do we cling to this notion of America being so good or that christians being in charge would change the course of this country?

How 'bout Ab?

I think you were one of the people I tried to argue with when I first heard of the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing.....But I gotta admit dude after taking a look at summa dose vids.....I have the same questions that most of us have about it
Think on this:even tho I know I ain' sposed to got started
They told us a Boeing 757 slammed into the Pentagon.....
But how many of us realize that NONE of us have actually seen a clear video of it???

My Bible (The King James version) teaches me not to put my trust in men......

Y'all don' neva let me git started about dis here subject ag'in.....I saw dem vids and you cain't hush me up 'bout 'em......An' worse den nat I GOT MY FIANCEE HOOKED ON IT AN' YOU CAIN'T HUSH HU' UP 'BOUT IT EITH'U

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2008, 07:40:53 AM »

They told us a Boeing 757 slammed into the Pentagon.....
But how many of us realize that NONE of us have actually seen a clear video of it???


Because there is NO clear video of it. All there is is video taken from a security camera that takes low-resolution time-lapse video.

You ever seen the Pentagon in person? It's HUGE. The damage that occurred to it's side and the fire that burned for quite some time following the crash are the result of a commercial airliner and not a missile or whatever else kind of weapon that the conspirators like to believe (with 0 evidence) that it was.
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2008, 10:34:02 AM »
Because there is NO clear video of it. All there is is video taken from a security camera that takes low-resolution time-lapse video.

You ever seen the Pentagon in person? It's HUGE. The damage that occurred to it's side and the fire that burned for quite some time following the crash are the result of a commercial airliner and not a missile or whatever else kind of weapon that the conspirators like to believe (with 0 evidence) that it was.
See, I agree with you, gtrdave.  Unless someone knew to have a camera trained on the pentagon at that precise moment, how would we have clear video coverage of it?  The only reason we clearly saw the second plane hit the towers is because all of the cameras were there due to the first one.

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2008, 10:55:23 AM »
See, I agree with you, gtrdave.  Unless someone knew to have a camera trained on the pentagon at that precise moment, how would we have clear video coverage of it?  The only reason we clearly saw the second plane hit the towers is because all of the cameras were there due to the first one.


And we have video of the first plane hitting the towers because there was a foreign photojournalism team traveling around NYC w/ one of the local fire departments. In that video they are filming the firemen at-work and then everyone looks up in amazement that there is an airliner flying too low and so fast...

Do you know when there is a conspiracy? When people want to believe that there is a conspiracy regardless of the evidence that proves otherwise. The Da Vinci Code was not popular because it's true (and it's not) but because people want it to be true.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2008, 12:34:11 PM »
Because there is NO clear video of it. All there is is video taken from a security camera that takes low-resolution time-lapse video.

You ever seen the Pentagon in person? It's HUGE. The damage that occurred to it's side and the fire that burned for quite some time following the crash are the result of a commercial airliner and not a missile or whatever else kind of weapon that the conspirators like to believe (with 0 evidence) that it was.

I'm not convinced that "a camera that takes slow resolution time-lapse videos" was the only camera that was supposed to be watching the headquarters for what is regarded as the worlds strongest military. Are you?

I'm also not convinced that the correct personnel would rig a building with explosives to bring it down in less than 10 hours without telling anybody what they plan to do until right before they do it. Nor am I convinced that a controlled demolition team should have even been at ground zero while rescue efforts were still in progress.........ARE YOU???

I am however thoroughly convinced that jet fuel does not reach tempuratures capable of bringing Steel to its melting point.

THE FACT THAT I'M POSTING ABOUT THIS SHOWS MY LACK OF DISCIPLINE IN STAYING OUT OF DISCUSSIONS
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2008, 12:50:05 PM »
I'm not convinced that "a camera that takes slow resolution time-lapse videos" was the only camera that was supposed to be watching the headquarters for what is regarded as the worlds strongest military. Are you?

I'm also not convinced that the correct personnel would rig a building with explosives to bring it down in less than 10 hours without telling anybody what they plan to do until right before they do it. Nor am I convinced that a controlled demolition team should have even been at ground zero while rescue efforts were still in progress.........ARE YOU???

I am however thoroughly convinced that jet fuel does not reach tempuratures capable of bringing Steel to its melting point.

THE FACT THAT I'M POSTING ABOUT THIS SHOWS MY LACK OF DISCIPLINE IN STAYING OUT OF DISCUSSIONS
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SO I THINK I'LL STEP OUT

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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2008, 12:51:39 PM »
Translation: I'll be riiiiiight back.  :D
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2008, 02:15:54 PM »
Translation: I'll be riiiiiight back.  :D

Sjon.....you always messin' wit me! How's thangs been?
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Re: I'm all for remembering 9/11, but...
« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2008, 02:22:52 PM »
Sjon.....you always messin' wit me! How's thangs been?

Thangs been good, bruh. They've been good.
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