Crazy 2-5-1-4 substitution

[Rjthakid]

http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/1103/Phat_Chords/


 

[Rjthakid]

Another:

http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/1105/Phat_Chords_2/

[Rjthakid]

*bump*

This is good stuff.  I'm surprised NOBODY replied!!!

[Fenix]

Yo how did i miss this!!!

The phatness!!!! 

[csedwards2]

its only good to me if they can tell me the theory behind why that works and when it can be used, so I wont be just merely copying his substitutions over that progression, but rather creating my own in many more situations.

btw as far as just overall sound it sounds a bit busy and stiff.

[sjonathan02]

its only good to me if they can tell me the theory behind why that works and when it can be used, so I wont be just merely copying his substitutions over that progression, but rather creating my own in many more situations.

Cosign!!

[chevonee]

Yeah I saw these a while back they are nice!

[SirTJ]

Pretty cool. God bless the musician willing to share.

[Rjthakid]

its only good to me if they can tell me the theory behind why that works and when it can be used, so I wont be just merely copying his substitutions over that progression, but rather creating my own in many more situations.

btw as far as just overall sound it sounds a bit busy and stiff.

Well I completely disagree with the "stiff" comment.  These chords are smooth man! 

Busy?  Yea, a little.  It's not something you can abuse and use repeatedly.


The video didn't tell you when it can be used but I did in the title.  It's a substitution for the 2-5-1-4 progression that will land you on the four if you time it right.

[csedwards2]

Well I completely disagree with the "stiff" comment.  These chords are smooth man! 

by stiff I mean rudimentary, on the beat, up/down, basically the rhythm

Busy?  Yea, a little.  It's not something you can abuse and use repeatedly.


The video didn't tell you when it can be used but I did in the title.  It's a substitution for the 2-5-1-4 progression that will land you on the four if you time it right.

dont you see, for some folks, thats not enough. He didnt say why he selected those chords as opposed to some other chords that'll land me on a 4. He didnt say whether it was tritones, 2-5s in another key, or anything. He basically said instead of playing A, play B.

I mean, i know I can try to break it down, and see which chords he's substituting for 2, and which ones hes doing for 5 and so on.; but it seems to me, if you're in a teaching/demonstrating mode, theres more to it than calling out notes.

[Rjthakid]

by stiff I mean rudimentary, on the beat, up/down, basically the rhythm

To each their own I guess.

dont you see, for some folks, thats not enough. He didnt say why he selected those chords as opposed to some other chords that'll land me on a 4. He didnt say whether it was tritones, 2-5s in another key, or anything. He basically said instead of playing A, play B.

I mean, i know I can try to break it down, and see which chords he's substituting for 2, and which ones hes doing for 5 and so on.; but it seems to me, if you're in a teaching/demonstrating mode, theres more to it than calling out notes.

Referring only to the first progression (I'm still learning that one in all keys).  Instead of 2-5-1-4, after the 6 he played b7-4-3-6-2-5-1-4.

So after the 3 chord he just followed the circle of 4ths right back to the 4 chord.

As for why it works, the simple answer is it works becuase when you time the chords right you land on the 4 when you're supposed to.  It also works because the 2-5-1-4 is in the progression.

The 2 is an F9 chord over Eb, the 5 is an Ab minor 9 (I don't recall if he put the 11 in there), the 1 is Db13 b5 b9.  Then it went back to the 4.  The b7-4-3-6 are there to make the timing work.

[rayjohnson83]

Yeah I saw these a while back they are nice!

yea, I saw those too. Ive used it a few times also

[chevonee]

yea, I saw those too. Ive used it a few times also

Me 2 and I've converted them to different keys