THOMAS PRIDGEN AHH MAN!!!!!

[drumzalicious]

Personally, I prefer the KJV of that particular scripture. Moreover, this would not be the first time someone has used one small verse of an entire biblical chapter, without explaining its context, in an attempt to make a point. Nevertheless, I will slow down my metronome to 40bpm so you can try to add something useful to the discussion...

Now, Duh Drumma, as one believer to another... please educate me. You say, "This was never about heaven or hell, but being obedient to Gods word which could send you to heaven or hell." Are you saying that smoking is being disobedient to God's word? Thus, condemning one to hell? Please explain.

God bless

**DISCLAIMER** This is just my opinion based on what i have been taught.

I could have sworn there was a verse in the Bible about how the Body is God's temple and therefore not to defile it.

Smoking damages your body. whether its weed or tobacco it damages your body. that isnt opinion thats fact from various scientist/health people around the world.

So if your damaging his temple doesnt that mean your defiling it?

would you go into God's house (a church) and just start breaking windows, burning things, etc....? No? then why would you do the same thing to your body which he has already made known to be HIS temple not our own.

just my opinion. not telling you that your going to hell because thats between you and God and im not about to tell God whether he should send someone to hell or not because thats not my place. I just know the Bible says to obey him . . .

[fLaT-fIfTh]

**DISCLAIMER** This is just my opinion based on what i have been taught.

I could have sworn there was a verse in the Bible about how the Body is God's temple and therefore not to defile it.

Smoking damages your body. whether its weed or tobacco it damages your body. that isnt opinion thats fact from various scientist/health people around the world.

So if your damaging his temple doesnt that mean your defiling it?

would you go into God's house (a church) and just start breaking windows, burning things, etc....? No? then why would you do the same thing to your body which he has already made known to be HIS temple not our own.

just my opinion. not telling you that your going to hell because thats between you and God and im not about to tell God whether he should send someone to hell or not because thats not my place. I just know the Bible says to obey him . . .

I hear what you are saying. However, there are many things that can be classified as "defiling" to the body.
Excessive sugar intake is defiling to the body and can lead to diabetes, which BTW is rampant in the black community. Is that somehow better than smoking? If so, who makes the rules? Scientific studies, which I don't necessarily agree with, have shown that aspartame causes neurological damage. Aspartame happens to be a flavoring ingredient commonly found in sugarless gum. If a person chews sugarless gum, are they then defiling the body? What if they chew it excessively because they are trying to quit... smoking?

Now, the only reason any of this rhetoric is relevant to this topic is because I watched this thread go from positive to negative and offend a man because his personal issues were spoken of negatively. Whether it is admitted or not, judgements were made... on a gospel site... judgements of right or wrong, good or bad.
Hell becomes relevant to the topic because many black churches preach "holiness or hell" and run people right out the door with their judgements.

God bless

[dude-on-drums]

would you go into God's house (a church) and just start breaking windows, burning things, etc....? No? then why would you do the same thing to your body which he has already made known to be HIS temple not our own.

Good one 

[SabianKnight]

Though certain information is public knowledge let's keep this about drumming and or winning souls. Let's not perpetuate/reiterate possible possible church inflicted pain. From this point on address your concerns outside of Thomas' drumming to him via PM or his MySpace etc.

--Sabe

I Repeat....

Though certain information is public knowledge let's keep this about drumming and or winning souls. Let's not perpetuate/reiterate possible possible church inflicted pain. From this point on address your concerns outside of Thomas' drumming to him via PM or his MySpace etc.

--Sabe

[drumzalicious]

Getting back on topic.

anyone have any underground Thomas stuff? i know someone put up some mp3s awhile ago. just curious if someone out there has some stuff they could share with the rest of us

[BEATBOXERZ]

I just so happen to visit the Pearl drummers forum the other day and I was running through a few threads they had on "gospel style drummers" and particular Thomas P. Alot of those dudes are not fans of and don't appreciate the whole Gospel Chops video series, nor do they appreciate the choppiness of the drummers who are involved with Gospel Chops.
For those who consider yourselfs "Gospel Drummers", how do you feel about this stigma that gospel drumming is all about showing off and the drummers have no groove? Is this a fair accessment of what is being put there with the Gospel Chops series and the gospel drumming community as a whole?

Mind you that most of the comments seem to be becoming from metal and punk style drummers who play loud and fast and spin their sticks and play with no technique    

[j_kay]

Ay, I read that sometime ago, but I don't even get into that arguement with them, as they're closed minded.  It does upset me that they don't appreciate the artform, but is "all 'bout" Metal, Punk, et al.

Then I realize that they can't play their way out of a wet paper bag, as evidenced on the plethora of videos posted on that forum.

I can go on all day about the views expressed on that forum, in which I also frequent.

[fLaT-fIfTh]

I just so happen to visit the Pearl drummers forum the other day and I was running through a few threads they had on "gospel style drummers" and particular Thomas P. Alot of those dudes are not fans of and don't appreciate the whole Gospel Chops video series, nor do they appreciate the choppiness of the drummers who are involved with Gospel Chops.
For those who consider yourselfs "Gospel Drummers", how do you feel about this stigma that gospel drumming is all about showing off and the drummers have no groove? Is this a fair accessment of what is being put there with the Gospel Chops series and the gospel drumming community as a whole?

Mind you that most of the comments seem to be becoming from metal and punk style drummers who play loud and fast and spin their sticks and play with no technique    

I've seen, read, and heard reviews from all over the globe. Some people hate it. Some people love it. There is rarely anything in between the two. Try to please God, not man, in all that you do.

Ay, I read that sometime ago, but I don't even get into that arguement with them, as they're closed minded.  It does upset me that they don't appreciate the artform, but is "all 'bout" Metal, Punk, et al.

Then I realize that they can't play their way out of a wet paper bag, as evidenced on the plethora of videos posted on that forum.

I can go on all day about the views expressed on that forum, in which I also frequent.

Boy, you preach almost as good as you play! Where can I send my offering?

God bless

[BEATBOXERZ]

Ay, I read that sometime ago, but I don't even get into that arguement with them, as they're closed minded.  It does upset me that they don't appreciate the artform, but is "all 'bout" Metal, Punk, et al.

Then I realize that they can't play their way out of a wet paper bag, as evidenced on the plethora of videos posted on that forum.

I can go on all day about the views expressed on that forum, in which I also frequent.

I got to admitt, I was kinda ticked off and a bit taken aback with some of the committs because they came off kinda racial. I even registered with Pearl so I could voice my opinion. But, I didn't because I probably would have blasted some of them dudes for the way that they wrongfully label black drummers. And I say black drummers because it is what it is.
When I was at NAMM in 07', there was some serious haterism and jealous feeling among some of  the non-black drummers, not all of them, but several of them, concerning gospel style drummers and Gospel Chops.
It's just so funny to me how these metal and punk dudes criticise one style of drumming for being so-called flashy, when the same dudes are wearing wigs, womens make-up, have face piercings, tongue piercings, face tats, no shirts on, tight pants, and say that all black drummers do is show off  . That's like the pot calling the kettle black...

[j_kay]

I've seen, read, and heard reviews from all over the globe. Some people hate it. Some people love it. There is rarely anything in between the two. Try to please God, not man, in all that you do.

Boy, you preach almost as good as you play! Where can I send my offering?

God bless

P.O. Box 521985
Longwood, FL 32752-1985.

One thing though - I suck, man.  Really, I do. 

[yo mama]

I got to admitt, I was kinda ticked off and a bit taken aback with some of the committs because they came off kinda racial. I even registered with Pearl so I could voice my opinion. But, I didn't because I probably would have blasted some of them dudes for the way that they wrongfully label black drummers. And I say black drummers because it is what it is.
When I was at NAMM in 07', there was some serious haterism and jealous feeling among some of  the non-black drummers, not all of them, but several of them, concerning gospel style drummers and Gospel Chops.
It's just so funny to me how these metal and punk dudes criticise one style of drumming for being so-called flashy, when the same dudes are wearing wigs, womens make-up, have face piercings, tongue piercings, face tats, no shirts on, tight pants, and say that all black drummers do is show off  . That's like the pot calling the kettle black...

i have a problem with cats biting the whole gospel chops idea....some of those cats are the people your talking about
some of em are other cats who have copied the "gospel chops idea"
i also laugh at the black gospel drummers who
hate on gospel chops

some of em are your favorite drummers

[yo mama]

ps this isnt thomas so stop sending me pms

 

[j_kay]

I got to admitt, I was kinda ticked off and a bit taken aback with some of the committs because they came off kinda racial. I even registered with Pearl so I could voice my opinion. But, I didn't because I probably would have blasted some of them dudes for the way that they wrongfully label black drummers. And I say black drummers because it is what it is.
When I was at NAMM in 07', there was some serious haterism and jealous feeling among some of  the non-black drummers, not all of them, but several of them, concerning gospel style drummers and Gospel Chops.
It's just so funny to me how these metal and punk dudes criticise one style of drumming for being so-called flashy, when the same dudes are wearing wigs, womens make-up, have face piercings, tongue piercings, face tats, no shirts on, tight pants, and say that all black drummers do is show off  . That's like the pot calling the kettle black...

Kinda?!?  Well, I was ticked off.  I was ticked off because mostly all of it stems from being closed minded and jealousy.  As I've stated, the videos that I've seen on that forum are hideous.  The same could be said about those videos - they all sound alike.  Being that I am open minded, I just listen to how they sound, and not judge it because something sounds similar. 

If you think about it, there are common denominators in all genres - it's what you add to your playing is what makes one stand out. 

Regarding the common denominator statement, most of them wouldn't see it that way, as they live in glass houses.

[BEATBOXERZ]

Kinda?!?  Well, I was ticked off.  I was ticked off because mostly all of it stems from being closed minded and jealousy.  As I've stated, the videos that I've seen on that forum are hideous.  The same could be said about those videos - they all sound alike.  Being that I am open minded, I just listen to how they sound, and not judge it because something sounds similar. 

If you think about it, there are common denominators in all genres - it's what you add to your playing is what makes one stand out. 

Regarding the common denominator statement, most of them wouldn't see it that way, as they live in glass houses.

I feel you. I had to myself claim down and use restraint from blasting some of them dudes. I agree that they are very closed minded and jealous of the skill level of black drummers. It's so obvious.
I didn't view any of the videos; I think I will later on tonight.

[j_kay]

I've been a member of that forum since 2005, and I conditioned myself to ignore it, because it really holds no merit with me.  The videos are sprinkled around there...  You'll see what I'm talking about.

[fLaT-fIfTh]

Kinda?!?  Well, I was ticked off.  I was ticked off because mostly all of it stems from being closed minded and jealousy.  As I've stated, the videos that I've seen on that forum are hideous.  The same could be said about those videos - they all sound alike.  Being that I am open minded, I just listen to how they sound, and not judge it because something sounds similar. 

If you think about it, there are common denominators in all genres - it's what you add to your playing is what makes one stand out. 

Regarding the common denominator statement, most of them wouldn't see it that way, as they live in glass houses.

Why get mad when you realize the source of it all? I laughed... quite hard, actually. As for metal, rock, punk drummers... I have found them to be the most loyal, most interested, most intrigued, with regard to the style, the products, and the brand. Honestly most of the scorn, hatred, jealousy, ect. that I have personally experienced has been from within my own community. Real talk. Jazz cats show love. Rock cats show love. The international communities show major love. Conversely, many that have grown up with it, heard it every Sunday, and can do it themselves tend to take it for granted and appreciate it less. Actually, the most fulfilling feeling is when I have the pleasure of talking with the pierced, tatted, spiked haired dudes from other communities that are interested in what we do. They want to know exactly what is is that the black church community does that can produce a cat that can win the Guitar Center Drumoff at nine years old. They want to know what in the world Lil' Nick is eating to get that good while being that young. They are curious and interested, but they ain't steppin foot in your church because when you start rolling in the floor and drooling, they get terrified! They're thinking, "Dude! That's crazy! Did you see that?!" I'm thinking, "Aww yeah, we bout to have chuuuuch up in here."
We come from different places. That open mind will allow you to embrace the differences. There is positive and negative on both sides.

One thing though - I suck, man.  Really, I do. 

I assume that you have already repented for that one...

God bless

[fretai03]

i have a problem with cats biting the whole gospel chops idea....some of those cats are the people your talking about
some of em are other cats who have copied the "gospel chops idea"
i also laugh at the black gospel drummers who
hate on gospel chops

some of em are your favorite drummers

ps this isnt thomas so stop sending me pms

 

[drumzalicious]

YOOOOO

you and these pics lol

[j_kay]

Why get mad when you realize the source of it all?

This is a valid question.  I kept it moving after reading the same type of responses ad nauseam...

I assume that you have already repented for that one...

 

[Da_Drumma]

Me pesronally I don't see nothing wrong with the Gospel Chops idea. I mean I watch myself. My opinion though is that when Flat started out, I mean there were alot of masterclasses, people actually demonstrating fills and showing what rudiments helped them develop them. I dont see much of it anymore. Shed Sessionz was a good idea, but It just sparked something in the community, and now everybody and their sista is trying to post shed and chops videos, and about 70% of them are african american drummers, nothing wrong with that neither cause for some reason its easier for them to gain the skills and ability. I wouldnt blame it on Gospel Chops or Gerald. Its just that these days, thats all the world is seeing when it comes down to african american drummers. No it is not just us, but our community is responsible for must of the publicity. I think more of us should post and posses more educational, and musical refrences, knowledge, and examples to balance out the fact the all we can do is chop. And not to add any more negativity, but I think the reason that its being classified as church drummers is the fact that, thats what the classify the people demonstrating and blazing chops. So when the say church drummers you automactly think of.......well you know the names (Im not trying to put anyone out there!!), and the word church these days is being misused tremendously. People we to see african americans do more than holding sheds and blazing shops, and we (as a community) are just not  giving it to them. We need to balance it out!!