J. Moss: Child support case hurting reputation

[ssabass]

Beatboxerz, of course I broke some of Gods commandments, whwn I was in the world. I grew up in the a church home, dad was a preacher. I didn't have many habits, I didn't smoke, drink, gamble, cheat, steal etc. My weakness was women & that kept me in the world, cause I did not want to give up the women that I had. So to have multiple women I also had to lie. So I was a liar & a fornicator. But when I finally came back home to Christ, I settled down & found me a beautiful wife, going on 8yrs. fast & prayed that God would take away that lust demon, so I would never stray away from my wife, no matter what problems we might face. I have a son now & that just adds to my walk with Christ, cause I want to be an example to my son. I take this walk with Christ seriously & each and everyday I pray that God will keep me. Of course I can fall because of my flesh, but my bilble says that God is able to Keep me from falling. Also my fear of God also keeps me in line. Actually fearing God is the only reason I need to stay right. I hope this answers you question.

[BEATBOXERZ]

Beatboxerz, of course I broke some of Gods commandments, whwn I was in the world. I grew up in the a church home, dad was a preacher. I didn't have many habits, I didn't smoke, drink, gamble, cheat, steal etc. My weakness was women & that kept me in the world, cause I did not want to give up the women that I had. So to have multiple women I also had to lie. So I was a liar & a fornicator. But when I finally came back home to Christ, I settled down & found me a beautiful wife, going on 8yrs. fast & prayed that God would take away that lust demon, so I would never stray away from my wife, no matter what problems we might face. I have a son now & that just adds to my walk with Christ, cause I want to be an example to my son. I take this walk with Christ seriously & each and everyday I pray that God will keep me. Of course I can fall because of my flesh, but my bilble says that God is able to Keep me from falling. Also my fear of God also keeps me in line. Actually fearing God is the only reason I need to stay right. I hope this answers you question.

OK, fair enough...

[jlewis]

If this says anything (to me)  its basically just telling me that just because you hear a cat on the radio or see them on TV doesn't mean they are living  the high life.   I'm sure if J Moss had the funds,   he would have paid to keep this quiet ( Like Jesse Jackson, Mike Jordan, Bill Cosby, etc etc).

But I think its just like he said,   his income has been adversely affected.   While I don't know J Moss personally, I know that he does give special deals  to churches who aren't neccessarily mega churches.   He brought 21:03, and Paul Allen to a church anniversary up here in Boise and I know for a fact that  his fee was not  on the level of a Kirk Franklin ( as  matter of fact, he didn't charge Mary Mary kind of cash).

So aside from the  child out of wedlock,  He seemed to be a very humble type of dude. I have met some artists  who seriously have an "entitlement" attitude and I wouldn't consider them on the level of J Moss ( when you look at all of his production credits in addition to the albums).

Hopefully he can recover from this, have a relationship with his youngest child, and maintain the relationship with his wife and family as well.

Jlewis

[3rd-Day]

If this says anything (to me)  its basically just telling me that just because you hear a cat on the radio or see them on TV doesn't mean they are living  the high life.   I'm sure if J Moss had the funds,   he would have paid to keep this quiet ( Like Jesse Jackson, Mike Jordan, Bill Cosby, etc etc).

But I think its just like he said,   his income has been adversely affected.   While I don't know J Moss personally, I know that he does give special deals  to churches who aren't neccessarily mega churches.   He brought 21:03, and Paul Allen to a church anniversary up here in Boise and I know for a fact that  his fee was not  on the level of a Kirk Franklin ( as  matter of fact, he didn't charge Mary Mary kind of cash).

So aside from the  child out of wedlock,  He seemed to be a very humble type of dude. I have met some artists  who seriously have an "entitlement" attitude and I wouldn't consider them on the level of J Moss ( when you look at all of his production credits in addition to the albums).

Hopefully he can recover from this, have a relationship with his youngest child, and maintain the relationship with his wife and family as well.

Jlewis

^^^^^^^^^^^^What he said!^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Gospelstar21]

Seriouly though, this is a pointless thread. J. Moss aint perfect, I'm not perfect and neither is anyone who posted on this thread. Can we pray for one another with out persecuting eachother first? I'm sure if we posted a thread about you (giftone88) and made it our business to comment on how unholy and sinful you are or was, you wouldn't appreciate that. Thank God for Jesus, who came into the world to save it and not condemn it! Keep in mind to that sin is the very thing that draws us closer to God! Infact its the reason why God gave us Jesus!! God Bless you man...

[BigFoot_BigThumb]

I guess having a kid outside of your marriage is way worse than being gay on the low low.  Yes, he was wrong, but the female is acting like she's a victim here.  She may have sought him out because of who he was and what she thought he had to make her life a little better as many women do, and he was just stupid enough to take the bait.  Many women will say one thing in court and another behind closed doors to a father when she wants more money not for the child, but herself. 

Also, there is such a thing as a Gospel groupie.

[4hisglory]

My .02

The problem I have with the situation, is not that he had a baby (because everyone can sin from time to time) but the fact about the child support payments.  Even if he's not making $50,000 a month but $20,000, isn't his child worth $1,300 a month to be taken care of???? 

As a father of 3, I'd do what it takes to care for my kids.

[ArcaneValor]

The mother is quoted as saying: "he didn't acknowledge his son on Christmas or any other day, yet he calls himself a minister and a gospel artist. We all make mistakes ... but I think he should be a father."

"DNA tests confirmed paternity last year, and when Moss failed to respond to court filings in October, Oakland Circuit Judge Cheryl Matthews signed a judgment ordering monthly support until the boy turns 18."

"Who cares?"  As a good father, I care. 

If the man STILL isn't being a good father, then this isn't a PAST sin, it's a present one....and he shouldn't be let off the hook because he sings gospel music.  If it was some ordinary guy we'd be lambasting him. 

[ArcaneValor]

My .02

The problem I have with the situation, is not that he had a baby (because everyone can sin from time to time) but the fact about the child support payments.  Even if he's not making $50,000 a month but $20,000, isn't his child worth $1,300 a month to be taken care of???? 

As a father of 3, I'd do what it takes to care for my kids.

Bro, that was more than $.02

[Loopy]

My .02

The problem I have with the situation, is not that he had a baby (because everyone can sin from time to time) but the fact about the child support payments.  Even if he's not making $50,000 a month but $20,000, isn't his child worth $1,300 a month to be taken care of???? 

As a father of 3, I'd do what it takes to care for my kids.

The mother is quoted as saying: "he didn't acknowledge his son on Christmas or any other day, yet he calls himself a minister and a gospel artist. We all make mistakes ... but I think he should be a father."

"DNA tests confirmed paternity last year, and when Moss failed to respond to court filings in October, Oakland Circuit Judge Cheryl Matthews signed a judgment ordering monthly support until the boy turns 18."

"Who cares?"  As a good father, I care. 

If the man STILL isn't being a good father, then this isn't a PAST sin, it's a present one....and he shouldn't be let off the hook because he sings gospel music.  If it was some ordinary guy we'd be lambasting him. 

OK I just had to come back and say COSIGN to both of these statements!

[giftedone88]

Seriouly though, this is a pointless thread. J. Moss aint perfect, I'm not perfect and neither is anyone who posted on this thread. Can we pray for one another with out persecuting eachother first? I'm sure if we posted a thread about you (giftone88) and made it our business to comment on how unholy and sinful you are or was, you wouldn't appreciate that. Thank God for Jesus, who came into the world to save it and not condemn it! Keep in mind to that sin is the very thing that draws us closer to God! Infact its the reason why God gave us Jesus!! God Bless you man...

to you along with anyone else... i never said anyone was perfect for we are all human.  Many people are saved, however their flesh is not. With many, there is still a war going on within their flesh. I am not perfect, nor do you see any comment before this one of me posting anything regarding how i feel about J-Moss's situation. Also, I... knowing me, know that God knows me better than I know myself. and I feel free to post a thread about my sin, and wrong doing-- for it will be far  shorter than u think--i have no fear sir.

I didn't make it my business, or any of yours to point out how unholy or sinful anyone is- but if any of you read the bible- everyone has their own opinion. All i did was again-post an article. As you noticed, I added nor took away anything from this article upon  posting it, nor did I force anyone to read it.

The immaturity I have witnessed within this thread of my post is phenominal and i am amazed at how some christians use 'no one is perfect' as a cusion to justify what they may do or have done in the past, and some continue to do. And yes, a lot of saint use sin as their cusion to go ahead and do wrong.

I'm not a hater im just saying da truth...Its very true that whats done in the dark shall come to light, however i am not the electricity that lighted this stuff up-detroit news is because again...it's just a news article.

I didn't make J-Moss get his lover pregnant and turn around to not do his manly dutie-not only to society-but according to the bible to do what is necessary to take care of his child as he is a proclaimed christian man. Not to mention cheating on his wife...not girlfriend, but wife of 12 years... and having a child out of wedlock.. i didn't write God's commandments nor did I make this story up..or push it one-sided towards J-Moss.

I know some of you may find it a bit upsetting, nevertheless God is still able to have anyone bounce back from any situation or wrong doing they committ in life through repentance. I'm quite suprised at how far this thread has gone though...lol

[Docdb04]

I can understand what ssabass is saying.  J Moss has an opportunity that many of us dream of having.  Shoud we continue to support him and make him richer, while some of may never see the opporunity that he is so privaledged to have?  The law would say no.  But we who are christian don't (shouldn't) abide by such a law.  That would be selfish.  The truth is, we don't know the whole story.  Maybe it took all of this, for J Moss to realize, he messed up.  Maybe he was taking this action to lightly.  We don't know.     

However I do not agree with saying that he may or may not be saved.  Salvation is between that indivdual and God. "All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God."  J Moss is just a brother who has been exposed.  Many of us should have been exposed, but because of His grace, no body knows about our dirt.  I'm glad.  We need to hold true to the scripture, "If a brother is overtaken in fault, ye who are spiritual, restore such one in the spirit of meekness.  Considering thyself, lest you be tempted."

I pray that he has repented.  If not, I pray that he will before his ticket is stamped.  As someone else stated, just take care of the child, if he hasn't.  They have nothing to do with the decisions that we have made to get them here.   

[Furious Styles]

Well said Doc.

[brutha28]

Anybody heard of the holy ghost... the holy ghost is a keeping power, and is strong enough to keep you from cheating on your wife, however i know some sinners who dont proclaim to be saved and christians but they don't cheat on their wives they may do other sins but they have character and know that the moral thing to do is not to be overcomed by emotions.  So i would say this has to do with the character of this individual.  We all have to be held acountable for our mistakes which ever they maybe.  I've been taking alot of heat for questioning whether a artist is saved or not and been told i shouldn't judge or you don't know or your not God but that is all a part of being seperate and sold out to God.  I welcome criticism.

[BigFoot_BigThumb]

Anybody heard of the holy ghost... the holy ghost is a keeping power, and is strong enough to keep you from cheating on your wife, however i know some sinners who dont proclaim to be saved and christians but they don't cheat on their wives they may do other sins but they have character and know that the moral thing to do is not to be overcomed by emotions.  So i would say this has to do with the character of this individual.  We all have to be held acountable for our mistakes which ever they maybe.  I've been taking alot of heat for questioning whether a artist is saved or not and been told i shouldn't judge or you don't know or your not God but that is all a part of being seperate and sold out to God.  I welcome criticism.

That heat came not from the criticism, but from the fact that you automatically condemned secular artists merely because of the type of music they did and pretty much guaranteed that anyone in Gospel was a true Christian.  This scenario proves that life choices are not automatic due to musical genre.  If necessary, we can seek out that particular thread that led to said heat.  The main difference here is that J. Moss got caught and called out. 

[under13]

I welcome criticism.

Thats good to know

[brutha28]

That heat came not from the criticism, but from the fact that you automatically condemned secular artists merely because of the type of music they did and pretty much guaranteed that anyone in Gospel was a true Christian.  This scenario proves that life choices are not automatic due to musical genre.  If necessary, we can seek out that particular thread that led to said heat.  The main difference here is that J. Moss got caught and called out. 

What?  I dont condemn them I only point out facts, and i mostly comment on artists who act in behalf of the church and who hold positions of influence.  Those who hold great influence are held more accountable because of the effect it can have positively or negatively on those who are listening or supporting them.  I get what your coming from through but has anyone ever commented on J. Moss other than that his music is tight or he sounds good, can anyone say that his man lives a christian life or what has he done for society?  If your music only reaches out to please someones ears then then there are missing the full puporse of music ministry.  It's to help someone come out of SIN a method of witness.  Effective witnessing is also tied with a person's lifestyle. 

[kodacolor]

to you along with anyone else... i never said anyone was perfect for we are all human.  Many people are saved, however their flesh is not. With many, there is still a war going on within their flesh.

There ya go! 

All I'm saying by crossing these things out is that everyone who has accepted Christ still has their sinful nature, HOWEVER they have the Holy Spirit as well that can combat the sinful nature.  We must die to our flesh daily, and as hard as it can be it surely isn't impossible.

[BigFoot_BigThumb]

What?  I dont condemn them I only point out facts, and i mostly comment on artists who act in behalf of the church and who hold positions of influence.  Those who hold great influence are held more accountable because of the effect it can have positively or negatively on those who are listening or supporting them.  I get what your coming from through but has anyone ever commented on J. Moss other than that his music is tight or he sounds good, can anyone say that his man lives a christian life or what has he done for society?  If your music only reaches out to please someones ears then then there are missing the full puporse of music ministry.  It's to help someone come out of SIN a method of witness.  Effective witnessing is also tied with a person's lifestyle. 

There's a huge difference between facts and an opinion.  Secular artists have songs that reach and even bless in some cases.  But in that said thread you basically downed the whole genre as well as being one who claimed to know someone's spirit. 

Funny that you never spoke up about J. Moss until now.  J. Moss has written songs that truly minister, but you missed that as I have posted a couple of his songs on here because they were powerful.  So in that case I got something from it.  He even spoke on this subject in one of his songs before this went public.  He atoned to God in that song.  Doesn't matter if you accept it because it aint up to you.  Yes he was wrong, and I don't let him slide on that, but I also don't treat this as if he's the only person out there doing something foul behind closed doors. 

In my musical pursuits I've met a few popular rappers and R&B singers that were some of the most cordial and genuine people you'd ever wanna meet and then met a few in gospel that were straight up snobs.  I'm really speaking to no avail here so I'll just stop right there.   


You may want to consider changing your screen name to JohnKerry28 because you are seriously flip-flopping right about now.

[nessalynn77]

Oh Em Gee *sigh*