History will be made

[gtrdave]

Here's my two cents...

Yes we have to have personal responsibility and accountability, I do agree.  Yes Obama is one man and one man usually does not have the power to change a nation, but after what president bush did to American citizens, one can only want change.

Don't include me in those "citizens". Bush did nothing to me and was not to blame for the economic downturn that occurred around the world. I know it's easy to blame the president when things aren't going right. That's the daddy complex that we all have. Things ain't right...blame daddy. It's the same way that many people view God, you know...
btw: I got laid-off when Clinton was president. I guess I should blame him for that?

Some would say that Bush and his right-wingers protected the nation from terrorists and citizens place the blame on Bill Clinton.  I would say look up "Clinton on Fox" on youtube and look at his interviews with the Fox reporter.  That should clear any ficticious balogna about him.

Clinton is guilty of enough sin and corruption without having to blame him for the 9/11 attacks, too. He took a dump on the integrity of the presidency and flat-out lied about it to 300,000,000 people that he was supposed to be serving. He's an unrepentant snake.

Also, in this economic crisis, why not elect a democrat?  The bigggest economic expansion happened when clinton was in office.  When Bush got in there...down the toilet went the economy.  Before anyone says anything about the Y2K thingy, yes that had a little to do with it but something is fishy when we spend billions of dollars per DAY over there.

The economic expansion in the '90s had nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with the coincidence of him being president during the birth of information technologies getting into the hands of the common man.
Bill got to ride the wave with the rest of us. He did not cause the wave. Same goes for Bush and the nice real estate and financial wave that he and many others rode for about 7 of his 8 years in office. Not his cause and not his fault when it crashed on the shore. Yet that daddy-complex makes it easy for him to be a scapegoat.

WE HAVE SATTELLITES THAT CAN READ THE PRINT OFF A BIBLE ON THE GROUND FROM SPACE BUT YOU CAN'T FIND BIN-LADEN!?

We have some of the most advanced technology ever to exist in the range of most people's grasp yet they can't find the spell check function?

c'mon now....***lemme calm down***

I'll buy you a non-alcoholic drink. 

[Rown]

             Sanctifiedg,spell it anyway you like.
             Jayp;Thanks man,and i agreed 100% 
                                           

[Rown]

Hey brothers here is my take on it.If PRESIDENT OBAMA
sat down,and done nothing,for the next four years.It will be an improvment.We have spent BILLIONS of dollars, in a stupid war.Why are we even fighting this war.WAS it not Bush, who sent the troops over there.What if it was someone in your family,lost their life in this war.What would think of Bush.IF the votes were counted right in Flordia,he never would have got back in.Sorry men,but he is the worst president of all time.Along with Nixon,Reagan.Man i have love for everybody,but i got to call it like i see it.I did not vote for Obama cause he is black,he is the right man for the job.But,GOD put this man there.So i am not going to touch it.Do not touch thy annointed one.

[duster]

This discussion is going "OFF KEY" good think i don't have ear training..HAHA its a BFLAT i think

[jlynnb1]

Hey brothers here is my take on it.If PRESIDENT OBAMA
sat down,and done nothing,for the next four years.It will be an improvment.We have spent BILLIONS of dollars, in a stupid war.Why are we even fighting this war.WAS it not Bush, who sent the troops over there.What if it was someone in your family,lost their life in this war.What would think of Bush.IF the votes were counted right in Flordia,he never would have got back in.Sorry men,but he is the worst president of all time.Along with Nixon,Reagan.Man i have love for everybody,but i got to call it like i see it.I did not vote for Obama cause he is black,he is the right man for the job.But,GOD put this man there.So i am not going to touch it.Do not touch thy annointed one.

God put him there?? Don't touch the anointed one....seriously??

[duster]

God put him there?? Don't touch the anointed one....seriously??

Jlynnb1 is there a question you would like to ask? im sort of confused by your response because its would be strange to believe that 43 presidents before Barack was "appointed" by God but now the 44th isnt? hmm what makes him different? are you saying your God is partial? i think you need to clarify what you are getting at! then lets move on to music

[karlmhoon]

Thank The Lord

[funkStrat_97]

God put him there?? Don't touch the anointed one....seriously??

I think that people get carried away with the whole idea of God putting someone in place as the POTUS.  If a candidate can successfuly convice (or even dupe) the people that he or she is the right one of the job, then it is the people who put that person there.  I also think that it's a bit more than a stretch to say that any president is "the anointed one".  Now if you want to have some fun with this, we can get into the whole cospiracy theory/House of Rothschild/Masonic thing.  I don't really believe that stuff, but it would make for a good book...and movie .  But the bottom line is this: regardless of who is in the White House, God takes care of His own.

[gtrdave]

Jlynnb1 is there a question you would like to ask? im sort of confused by your response because its would be strange to believe that 43 presidents before Barack was "appointed" by God but now the 44th isnt? hmm what makes him different? are you saying your God is partial? i think you need to clarify what you are getting at! then lets move on to music

People twist Scripture all the time to suit a particular situation, so this occasion is no different.
Also, "anointed" and "appointed" are not the same thing. Neither is "elected". Barack, like the 43 presidents that came before him, was elected and not appointed. If he is "anointed" then it's by the Holy Spirit and he's no different than you or I or any other sold-out-to-Jesus believer who has also been "anointed". To "not touch" an anointed one does not mean that we are free from criticism, but that we should not be physically harmed.

Celebrate the wonderful historical significance of yesterday's event and respect the man and the office, but beware the Obama-as-messiah syndrome that is seemingly all too common in the current climate.

[Gibby]

Yeah we need a change...so many people think that Obama is all hype but I think he will change things around, it just won't be instant.

[Gibby]

Don't include me in those "citizens". Bush did nothing to me and was not to blame for the economic downturn that occurred around the world. I know it's easy to blame the president when things aren't going right. That's the daddy complex that we all have. Things ain't right...blame daddy. It's the same way that many people view God, you know...
btw: I got laid-off when Clinton was president. I guess I should blame him for that?

Clinton is guilty of enough sin and corruption without having to blame him for the 9/11 attacks, too. He took a dump on the integrity of the presidency and flat-out lied about it to 300,000,000 people that he was supposed to be serving. He's an unrepentant snake.

The economic expansion in the '90s had nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with the coincidence of him being president during the birth of information technologies getting into the hands of the common man.
Bill got to ride the wave with the rest of us. He did not cause the wave. Same goes for Bush and the nice real estate and financial wave that he and many others rode for about 7 of his 8 years in office. Not his cause and not his fault when it crashed on the shore. Yet that daddy-complex makes it easy for him to be a scapegoat.

We have some of the most advanced technology ever to exist in the range of most people's grasp yet they can't find the spell check function?

I'll buy you a non-alcoholic drink. 

okay...

• yeah clinton was in office when that whole IT technology boom happened, but he did get unemployment rates down I believe. Sorry you were laid off though. Like I said previously, we have to have our own accountability and responsibilty for stuff dealing with our economy.
• Yeah clinton did lie about having relations with monica, but when hurricane katrina happened, BUSH DID NOTHING!!!  You can call it the daddy complex or whatever, but he could have did something about that.
• The spell check function...still didn't answer my question.  We coulda found him, but instead we went after Saddam Hussien...who did nothing.  Come on now, they just fed us that crap about saddam hussien so that we could feel that we GOT somebody.
• And sure, a shirley temple or a ginger ale would be nice! 

I feel that people think that bush was the first to go after bin-laden, not so.  Clinton and his defense secretary had plans to find bin-laden first, but bush and the right-wingers thought he was crazy and would not support him.  So when 9/11 happened **which was a terrible tragedy** bush sent all these troops over there to make america feel good, which I feel was the right thing to do.  We should go after him...

And he rode that into his second election.  I read somewhere that the way you get people to follow you is to make them feel that someone is after them, that's how he won.  People soon realized that nothing was getting done about terrorists so we went after hussien  . Now clinton failed to get the terrorists and so did bush, they are in the same boat.

Now people know that the war was a bust..."A million dollar bomb to blow up a three dollar tent... "

Daddy complex or whatever, people suffered and I hope obama will bring change in the future. 

[gtrdave]

okay...

• yeah clinton was in office when that whole IT technology boom happened, but he did get unemployment rates down I believe. Sorry you were laid off though. Like I said previously, we have to have our own accountability and responsibilty for stuff dealing with our economy.
• Yeah clinton did lie about having relations with monica, but when hurricane katrina happened, BUSH DID NOTHING!!!  You can call it the daddy complex or whatever, but he could have did something about that.
• The spell check function...still didn't answer my question.  We coulda found him, but instead we went after Saddam Hussien...who did nothing.  Come on now, they just fed us that crap about saddam hussien so that we could feel that we GOT somebody.
• And sure, a shirley temple or a ginger ale would be nice! 

1. Clinton did not "get the unemployment rates down", they trended downward as a result of the then-new IT sector. Al Gore did not invent the internet, either. The rates trended even further downward during Bush's presidency until around 2007. On a related note, Bush also signed an extension to unemployment benefits in Nov. 2008 because of the current conditions. While not the same as creating 1,000,000 new jobs, it sure can help out those who are struggling to find work.
2. Bush did do something during hurricane Katrina. He did what any good president would do and that's to allow the state and local governments in those areas to act swiftly and responsibly. They did not. He also declared a federal state of emergency in Louisiana on Saturday before the hurricane ever touched land.
GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: ?I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.?

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: ?Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.?
3. The spell check function did address your concern regarding finding bin Laden. You used an unrealistic analogy about spy satellites that can read a book from space yet the military can't find a skilled cave dweller who dwells in caves in a land that the military is not welcome to set foot on.
Mentioning spell check was to remind us that it's difficult for us at times to find the obvious and even more difficult to find that which is hidden
4. Ginger Ale it is. 

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[Rown]

People i am sorry,but it burns me up.That we are spending billions in Irag.When the family next door is on food stamps.Somebody, why are we in the Middle East at war.Somebody explain that to me.

[Fenix]

Clinton is guilty of enough sin and corruption without having to blame him for the 9/11 attacks, too. He took a dump on the integrity of the presidency and flat-out lied about it to 300,000,000 people that he was supposed to be serving. He's an unrepentant snake.

WOW! LOL!!!  harsh G-dawg, harsh. 

The economic expansion in the '90s had nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with the coincidence of him being president during the birth of information technologies getting into the hands of the common man.
Bill got to ride the wave with the rest of us. He did not cause the wave. Same goes for Bush and the nice real estate and financial wave that he and many others rode for about 7 of his 8 years in office. Not his cause and not his fault when it crashed on the shore. Yet that daddy-complex makes it easy for him to be a scapegoat.

My goodness i wish i could give you an offering for this right here. It is very very easy to scape-goat a president (in the case of Mr Bush) and also hype him up (in the case of Clinton).

I used to work as a financial analyst and if you think that what happened in the housing sector with lax regulatory controls and such was bad, you need to have seen what was going on behind the scenes during the tech bubble. People started a tech company, sold stock and were instant millionaires as the price of the stock rose. Turns out people were basing the value of the stocks on invisible earnings that did not exist. Sound familiar? Thisis a repeat of the housing bubble.

The Bush administration did create the environment that allowed this to happen. However we are supposed to be responsible to ourselves and people were not. People got too greedy and selfish and thought of the "now".

Bush came along at a bad time. 

[gtrdave]

People i am sorry,but it burns me up.That we are spending billions in Irag.When the family next door is on food stamps.Somebody, why are we in the Middle East at war.Somebody explain that to me.

Explain why it's been the same for every president in recorded history. I'll tell you this; there's a lot more to the war and to someone being on food stamps than anyone here can rightly explain.

Hey, there's an awful lot of homeless people around the metro DC area. Did they receive any part of the supposed $170 million dollars spent on the inauguration over the past few days? Did their lives magically change overnight? Do you think that the cure to everyone's ills is to just throw more government money (i.e.; tax dollars) at those problems?

This supposed "new era" of personal responsibility is not up to the government. It's up to each person. The problem is that we're so emotionally affected by what the government does or does not do that we gauge our commitment to responsibility by our opinion on the government and the president. We as Christians ESPECIALLY are to not base our life and living on our feelings about anything, but in our faith in God.

Understand, I think the Iraq war has become a fiasco. I also think we entered into it under false pretenses. I also think that there's a lot more to it than what any news agency can report on.
As far as people on food stamps, man, that is something that has to handled on a case by case basis. I know that we here at our church give out food vouchers, store gift cards and boxes of food to several people weekly. A few of these people are able bodied and sound of mind yet they have been repeat customers over and over again and not just from us, but from several local churches and agencies. By all accounts they seem like they could work and provide for themselves. So, it begs the question, "Do they want to?".

[Rown]

It is a foolish,costly,powerdriven(is that a word)wanted to get control over oil.help daddy,i`m the man,look what i can do war.Hey Dave,you think so much of Bush.And you want to support him.Take the guitar out your arms,and put a machine gun there.Go to Irag and join in.Go dave ,Hey by the way,where are the mass weapons? Just playing man,Gibby told me to say that.

[melrhyne]

Woohoo, a lot of veiled partisanship for sure!
AS CHRISTIANS (if everyone here is a Christian), we need to wish our nation's new leader well!
As Americans, at this time, this was the ONLY choice.

While Clinton may not have been responsible for the financial boom during his tenure, he left the White House with surplus funds.
In the eight years since, George Bush's administration has managed to waste that surplus, and plunge us into debt.
Being from an oil family, he gave major tax breaks to big corporations, with the rational that they would spend more money here. They didn't;
they outsourced everything. THAT WAS ALSO WHAT MCAIN WANTED TO DO.

We spend over 10 billion per month in Iraq.
Bin Laden, has not been brought to justice.
The " small-deregulated government" cry by conservatives, has led to greedy lenders and ponzi schemes.
Christians shouldn't get caught up in partisanship, just who is better for the country.

Was Sarah Palin really ready to lead the country?
Is John Mcain really better suited to lead than Obama?
Or...? Are WE not REALLY ready for a change?

[gtrdave]

While Clinton may not have been responsible for the financial boom during his tenure, he left the White House with surplus funds.

A little clarity, please; Clinton (and a Republican Congress, don't forget) accrued a finance surplus, BUT national debt still increased.
In February of 1993 the National Debt was $4,176,491,860,224.29
In February of 2000 the national Debt was $5,702,651,446,667.03

Surplus, schmurplus. He didn't spend more than was taken in, but our nation still owed more money than when he took office.

Math class is crazy, huh? 

[sjonathan02]

Dave, I've said it before and I'll say it once again.

As a nation, most Americans felt that things were fairly good while Clinton was in office. Globally, I think, other nations felt the same way.

When Bush took over, that feeling began to fall away. As the face of our nation, the praise and the blame falls on the POTUS, deserved or not, it's just the way it is.


With Obama in office, people, in our country AND abroad, feel that this is a small step in the right direction.


All one can do is wait and see if it is. I'd like to think that it is. 

[gtrdave]

As the face of our nation, the praise and the blame falls on the POTUS, deserved or not, it's just the way it is.

And what I'm saying is that just because that's "just the way it is" does not mean that it's they way it should be nor is it necessarily true.
In my mind it's akin to the hyper-spiritual folks who stub their toe and blame satan for it.