What would you do?

[floaded27]

To me thats just retarded, for lack of a better term. I know who you are talking about, and I even support him by buying his products, but that makes absolutely no sense. Someone above mentioned muscle memory. But on a keyboard its different. if one uses that method, they will not develop relative pitch on the keyboard, because the notes will be in different places at different times. I dont know how anybody with a good ear can play like that.

thats strange because u dont (or at least i dont) develop relative pitch like that. relative pitch isnt about where the note falls on the instrument, but where it is in the scale relative to another note. when i hear something and i discern the pattern based on relative pitch, i dont envision my bass nor a keyboard. i hear where the note (chord) is in respect to the others. absolute pitch maybe, but relative pitch never. because the 5th (relative) is always the same distance from the root in respect to the scale, regardless of what key you're in. but i guess you may have a different method. what he said makes perfect sense to me in my approach to music on both keyboard and bass.

[betnich]

Did I mention I'm going to start a campaign to pour crazy glue in the transpose buttons of every piano/keyboard on Earth! It makes for such bad habits...

Crazy Glue the Transpose...YES WE CAN!!!

Browntree

Quote from: Godsbassman62 on Today at 02:33:48 PM
I disabled the transpose circuit without anyone knowing Si se puede! Yes we can!

Would someone put out a YouTube video with instructions on disabling that button...

LOL

[browntree]

Would someone put out a YouTube video with instructions on disabling that button...

LOL

Here's a quick tutuorial...
1) Identify the transpose button
2) Obtain 2 ounces of Coca-cola
3) apply aprox. 1 ounce of coca-cola to the transpose button. You'll know when you've added enough...trust me. 
4)Wait 1 hour and treat as needed.  The gluing effect of the sugar will remedy anything the acidic fluid does not corrode.
5)Smile at it

Please note: You may experience minor complications in use of your device such as total confusion, electric shock, loss of power, and a decrease in self-worth realizing extreme stupidity.

Boom! We meltin transpose buttons baby!

Browntree

And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of music, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy. I Chronicles 15:16

[floaded27]

Here's a quick tutuorial...
1) Identify the transpose button
2) Obtain 2 ounces of Coca-cola
3) apply aprox. 1 ounce of coca-cola to the transpose button. You'll know when you've added enough...trust me. 
4)Wait 1 hour and treat as needed.  The gluing effect of the sugar will remedy anything the acidic fluid does not corrode.
5)Smile at it

Please note: You may experience minor complications in use of your device such as total confusion, electric shock, loss of power, and a decrease in self-worth realizing extreme stupidity.

i would add to that disclaimer: a serious beatdown if that keyboard isnt yours and it cost over $500. over $1000 expect serious bruising and swelling in kicked and stomped areas. lol.

[ssab]

ok guys, NOT COOL.

[chrismc101]

I agree with bassthumpa. Playing in a different keys is cool with me too; just let me know what key we're playing in. But it does P me off when we rehearse certain songs, then get to church and we do NONE of the songs we rehearsed. So that means rehearsal and my practice at home was all in vain! I HATE that with a passion...

[dhagler]

A quick update. I called her and apologized for not just picking up the new key and mentioning it afterwards. She said it was not a problem because we caught it and corrected it before the choir started singing, and she was not angry that I brought it to her attention.

God is working on me.  She and I haven't always gotten along and I think He is helping me to work with her and helping her to work with me.  He deserves all the glory and the praise!  I am thankful He is helping me to develop a spirit of cooperation.

[ddwilkins]

I agree with bassthumpa. Playing in a different keys is cool with me too; just let me know what key we're playing in. But it does P me off when we rehearse certain songs, then get to church and we do NONE of the songs we rehearsed. So that means rehearsal and my practice at home was all in vain! I HATE that with a passion...

Technically, its not all in vain. the more practice you get, the better you'll become, plus these situations allow you to be able to fill in at a moments notice. I get that all the time, and I don't mind. Imagine playing a song you've never heard while in the middle of a concert in front of a large audience. I've been in this situation before. This comes from playing songs in all keys and hearing all the various progressions and feeling what the next progression will be.

[dhagler]

Technically, its not all in vain.

But it is frustrating as all get out!

[ddwilkins]

Frustrating? yes, in vain? no. IMO

[floaded27]

But it is frustrating as all get out!

if it wasnt frustrating, it wouldnt match with all the other frustrating stuff we deal with... hauling equipment, ending early to pack up while everybody just jams on, not being considered a musician, everybody steppin on your toes playing your parts, having to play in some little corner or crawl space, etc.

[dhagler]

Frustrating? yes, in vain? no. IMO

Agreed. Makes us better musicians in the long run.

if it wasnt frustrating, it wouldnt match with all the other frustrating stuff we deal with... hauling equipment, ending early to pack up while everybody just jams on, not being considered a musician, everybody steppin on your toes playing your parts, having to play in some little corner or crawl space, etc.

Being told you're too loud, sound technician forgetting to unmute your channel on the board...

[Godsbassman62]

I do apologize for the uproar and it was a keyboard I donated. But it really cripples a young musicians.

[MikeGee]

when the transpose button was left enabled it made everyone think I was out of tune. that was the worse day to leave my tuner home. when I was tuning to the keyboard i knew something was odd when all 5 strings were out of tune at the same amount.

[ddwilkins]

Technically, its not all in vain. the more practice you get, the better you'll become, plus these situations allow you to be able to fill in at a moments notice. I get that all the time, and I don't mind. Imagine playing a song you've never heard while in the middle of a concert in front of a large audience. I've been in this situation before. This comes from playing songs in all keys and hearing all the various progressions and feeling what the next progression will be.

To piggy back off what I said in this previous post, I was put into the same situation yesterday. I had downloaded a song this week from itunes on Wednesday (i think) because I heard one of the fellow band members say that they used to play this song. Well, yesterday the praise and worship leader decided to replace one of our originally planned songs with this new song. Well, I had not sat down to learn it. I had only listened to it a couple of times. Guess what, I played it on the spot and no one knew that I hadn't learned it. Why was I able to do this? I've been put in this situation before and I never complained and it made me that much better. BTW, the song was "I wanna thank you" by Clint Brown if anyone wants to listen to the song. I love the song.

[Fenix]

A quick update. I called her and apologized for not just picking up the new key and mentioning it afterwards. She said it was not a problem because we caught it and corrected it before the choir started singing, and she was not angry that I brought it to her attention.

God is working on me.  She and I haven't always gotten along and I think He is helping me to work with her and helping her to work with me.  He deserves all the glory and the praise!  I am thankful He is helping me to develop a spirit of cooperation.

This is very encouraging. I don't get along very well with the other keyboard player in our church and i get very irritated at times but have been able to control it. But i realize now that it is not beneficial or godly at all. I am going to make an effort to get along.

When i am on keyboard and someone has decided to change the key at the last minute, i do get very very irritated but i go with it. I think its because i have relied too much on muscle memory for that song so when i play it in a key, i get so used to the fingering that moving to another key starts off awkward.

When i am on guitar i don't care what key you lay it in. I still get irritated when they key is changed, but that is only due to the fact that i am a straight kind of guy. If we do something one way, i don't see the need to change it.

[floaded27]

This is very encouraging. I don't get along very well with the other keyboard player in our church and i get very irritated at times but have been able to control it. But i realize now that it is not beneficial or godly at all. I am going to make an effort to get along.

When i am on keyboard and someone has decided to change the key at the last minute, i do get very very irritated but i go with it. I think its because i have relied too much on muscle memory for that song so when i play it in a key, i get so used to the fingering that moving to another key starts off awkward.

When i am on guitar i don't care what key you lay it in. I still get irritated when they key is changed, but that is only due to the fact that i am a straight kind of guy. If we do something one way, i don't see the need to change it.

i feel you on that. its the same way when i play on keyboard (i dabble, but i play my own songs) each key feels different so its kind of a muscle memory kind of thing. but its usually the keyboardist/organist that changes the key because they cant play in other keys (for any other reason, like the singer cant hit the notes, etc i dont mind). For a beginner i can understand, but still everyone should be informed, but for someone thats been playing for 30+ years, this shouldnt be an issue. apparently you havent mastered your instrument. and thats what really frustrates me: that in the few years i been playing i get frustrated when I havent reached the next level yet and work so hard to do so, but after 30 years you dont even care.

[Fenix]

i feel you on that. its the same way when i play on keyboard (i dabble, but i play my own songs) each key feels different so its kind of a muscle memory kind of thing. but its usually the keyboardist/organist that changes the key because they cant play in other keys (for any other reason, like the singer cant hit the notes, etc i dont mind). For a beginner i can understand, but still everyone should be informed, but for someone thats been playing for 30+ years, this shouldnt be an issue. apparently you havent mastered your instrument. and thats what really frustrates me: that in the few years i been playing i get frustrated when I havent reached the next level yet and work so hard to do so, but after 30 years you dont even care.

Folks just get comfortable and have never been put in a situation where they are pushed. For instance it is easy to just sit in ONE church your entire life and play the same old songs all the time for 20 years and not get better. You are not pushed.

[floaded27]

To piggy back off what I said in this previous post, I was put into the same situation yesterday. I had downloaded a song this week from itunes on Wednesday (i think) because I heard one of the fellow band members say that they used to play this song. Well, yesterday the praise and worship leader decided to replace one of our originally planned songs with this new song. Well, I had not sat down to learn it. I had only listened to it a couple of times. Guess what, I played it on the spot and no one knew that I hadn't learned it. Why was I able to do this? I've been put in this situation before and I never complained and it made me that much better. BTW, the song was "I wanna thank you" by Clint Brown if anyone wants to listen to the song. I love the song.

i believe situations like this become so much easier when you are able to work as a team with your fellow musicians.

[dhagler]

i believe situations like this become so much easier when you are able to work as a team with your fellow musicians.

Amen to that, floaded.