LearnGospelMusic.com Community

Please login or register.
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...  (Read 2642 times)

Offline rut

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 384
  • Gender: Male

Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« on: March 03, 2009, 07:41:22 PM »
Greetings! LGM Family


I know I havent been on here in a while beucase I'm trying to prepare for college and different things. I have a big situation. As you may, I'm over my High School Gospel Choir after school. Monday was a terrible day, I thought. I incoporated drums, and praise dancers to the Gospel Choir, which I know is new to them and exciting.. but EVERYBODY KEPT TALKING.... ACTING CRAZY...BASCIALLY GET ON MY NERVES..

I was trying to DIRECT, play the piano and discpline all at once it was so furstrating...
The Drummer and I was off completely....

Reminder the praise dancer instructor has not been there in like how many days...so I'm stuck with them...

When we practice the choir look like a funeral... I told them I can teach anything but I cant teach pride or passion.... They are afraid to move and praise becuase of  what the other students are going to think when they see them moving and having a good time.. I dont know what else to do.. They finally understand controled sream when the music start.....

My inner circle (my friends) the ones who suppose to have your back... talk rude to me... undermine me... leave in the middle of practice and everything


the choir is  not movitated... they dont take it serious...

I cut down the size of Gospel Choir becuase some people have very poor attendancele so Im down to 27...

I have tried and prayed and just dont know what to do... I have 48 days until I graduate and I'm scared that I might not accomplish what I dream about a million times...


PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME.... I cant cry no more tears they refuse to come down!



You
"vision to victory"

Offline sjonathan02

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 41575
  • Gender: Male
  • My heart

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 10:03:52 PM »
I'm about to go to bed, so I'll respond to your response in the morning.



You're doing too much. Seriously. It's HS; they're kids; you're a kid. Kids, in general, don't take a whole lot of things seriously including the stuff they say they like.


Add to the fact that there are about 2 months left of school (fewer depending on how many seniors you have) and attention spans wan considerably.


Less is more, bruh. Eliminate the dancers especially considering their leader isn't there with you.


I don't know what your dream is and I'm not trying to kill it; at the same time, don't let your dream kill you (especially since you're so young).


You could try to have a discussion about where folks are and what they want to accomplish with this group. Share your dream with them and see what happens.


I'll say this, too. If you have to play AND direct that makes for a bad situation, usually. Doesn't matter if it's Concert choir or gospel choir.


Anyway, there it is.
Despite our communication technology, no invention is as effective as the sound of the human voice.

Offline LaylaMonroe

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 36422
  • Gender: Female
  • POW!
    • Order in the Church!

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 11:00:44 PM »
Is there no adult you could get to come in and assist you?  Maybe a director or musician from your church or a local church in your network of acquaintances?

A large part of the problem is that kids, in most cases, have a hard time submitting to the authority and leadership of other kids.

And I totally cosign the stuff Jonathan said as well.  Get rid of the dancers and definitely have a discussion with them.  In fact, instead of rehearsing next time (unless you have an engagement coming up and can't afford to skip rehearal), you should have an open discussion with them. Start by asking them what they want from this experience, why they joined, what they like about it, etc.  Then, share your concerns and allow for feedback (but be sure to keep control over it).  In the end, give them your expectations and ask openly and honestly if everyone there is willing and able to live up to those expectations.  End by encouraging them somehow.  Maybe let them know how well they're doing vocally or that you appreciate everyone's timeliness, or how much they've improved in a certain area.  Mention an upcoming engagement if you have one, and if time permits, close with a run-through of an upbeat song that they usually enjoy singing.

You don't want them to leave discouraged.

(And btw, until recently, I was directing a choir full of college students as one of the outreach projects at my church.  One method I used that helped with excessive talking is to just be quiet while they talked.  I'd get a very serious expression on my face, and sit there with the "I'm waiting" look.  It generally only took about 30 seconds for them to stop, sometimes less.  It's a lot less chaotic than yelling and a lot less demoralizing than lecturing or fussing.  It's pretty effective with that age group.
When you're in love you don't want to fall asleep bc reality is finally better than your dreams.

Offline under13

  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16439
  • Gender: Male

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2009, 01:37:51 AM »
Good points. Nothing else to say

Offline karlmhoon

  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1310
  • Gender: Male
    • Pentecostal COGIC Greenville Ky.

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2009, 01:49:53 AM »
let me ask you this Have you prayed about it? you seek the face of the Lord and he will do the rest. wouldnt you say?

Offline momuzik

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 581
  • Gender: Male

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2009, 02:28:11 PM »
I'll say this, too. If you have to play AND direct that makes for a bad situation, usually. Doesn't matter if it's Concert choir or gospel choir.

Why do you say?

Offline sjonathan02

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 41575
  • Gender: Male
  • My heart

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 03:15:35 PM »
Why do you say?

Children need to focus their attention on a director. 
Despite our communication technology, no invention is as effective as the sound of the human voice.

Offline rut

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 384
  • Gender: Male

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 06:09:36 PM »
okay your right... and yes I prayed about the situation...

I will try that method.....


I know you guys say that the praise dancers are too much but these kids are WAY ADVACNE too do it there just lazy....

"vision to victory"

Offline kodacolor

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8404
  • Gender: Female

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 06:35:19 PM »
okay your right... and yes I prayed about the situation...

I will try that method.....


I know you guys say that the praise dancers are too much but these kids are WAY ADVACNE too do it there just lazy....



Just wondering...do you go to a regular public high school or do you go to an arts high school?

Offline sjonathan02

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 41575
  • Gender: Male
  • My heart

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2009, 08:49:00 PM »
okay your right... and yes I prayed about the situation...

I will try that method.....


I know you guys say that the praise dancers are too much but these kids are WAY ADVANCED too do it there just lazy....

Their talent is of no consequence or use while it is overshadowed by their lack of drive.
Despite our communication technology, no invention is as effective as the sound of the human voice.

Offline kodacolor

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8404
  • Gender: Female

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 08:58:24 PM »
Their talent is of no consequence or use while it is overshadowed by their lack of drive.

+100

Offline rut

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 384
  • Gender: Male

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 07:58:04 PM »
your right... and yes I go to a public black high school...

I'm sorry but Im just going to have to believe God because I keep seeing dreams about this same Gospel Choir that has a lack of energy and drive


"vision to victory"

Offline vtguy84

  • Moderator
  • LGM Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 11830
  • Gender: Male
    • Get Covered 4 Life

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 08:21:22 PM »
Jonathan has very valid points.  It is extremely difficult with a group that size for you to play for them and try to be their director.  There needs to be someone in front of them giving the commands.  Also, if they see you getting frustrated, they will run with that.  You always have to run rehearsal with charge, regardless if people are walking out or not showing up.  I have been directing the college choir going on 7 years and I have come to the realization that you will have the committed, the fair-weather, and the cameo appearances.  Either way, you come prepared to work. 

Make sure that your rehearsals are well planned out and ready to execute.  Nothing is worse than the person who is teaching to be fumbling through notes or not knowing the material; it causes for much distraction and lost focus.
www.GetCovered4Life.com (Mortgage Protection, Final Expense, Tax Free Retirement)

Offline sjonathan02

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 41575
  • Gender: Male
  • My heart

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2009, 12:53:53 PM »
Jonathan has very valid points.  It is extremely difficult with a group that size for you to play for them and try to be their director.  There needs to be someone in front of them giving the commands.  Also, if they see you getting frustrated, they will run with that.  You always have to run rehearsal with charge, regardless if people are walking out or not showing up.  I have been directing the college choir going on 7 years and I have come to the realization that you will have the committed, the fair-weather, and the cameo appearances.  Either way, you come prepared to work. 

Make sure that your rehearsals are well planned out and ready to execute.  Nothing is worse than the person who is teaching to be fumbling through notes or not knowing the material; it causes for much distraction and lost focus.

Absolutely, 100% COSIGN!!
Despite our communication technology, no invention is as effective as the sound of the human voice.

Offline rut

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 384
  • Gender: Male

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2009, 03:52:28 PM »
thank you soo much guys for yu comments it really help... :)

"vision to victory"

Offline rut

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 384
  • Gender: Male

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2009, 07:02:26 PM »
OOOMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGG!!! WWWWOOOOOOWWWWWW....PRACTICE WAS SO GREAT TODAY


IM BOUT TO CRY BECAUSE I PRAYED AND BELIEVED GOD AND WHEN WE GOT TO PRACTICE EVERYTHING CAMED TOGETHER... THE PRAISE DANCERS BEGAN TO FLOW THE CHOIR WAS EXCELLENT AND GOD GOT THE GLORY....

I JUST CANT BELIEVE HOW GOD WORK..... I KNEW IN MY HEART THE VISION THAT GOD HAS GIVEN BUT I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO SHOW THE VISION AND MAKE IT PLAIN BUT WHEN I DID GOD CAME AND HAD HIS WAY...



PRAISE HIMMM TEARS TEARS
"vision to victory"

Offline kodacolor

  • LGM Royalty
  • LGM Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8404
  • Gender: Female

Re: Young Director NEEDS ADVICE QUICK!! please...
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2009, 07:56:33 PM »
OOOMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGG!!! WWWWOOOOOOWWWWWW....PRACTICE WAS SO GREAT TODAY


IM BOUT TO CRY BECAUSE I PRAYED AND BELIEVED GOD AND WHEN WE GOT TO PRACTICE EVERYTHING CAMED TOGETHER... THE PRAISE DANCERS BEGAN TO FLOW THE CHOIR WAS EXCELLENT AND GOD GOT THE GLORY....

I JUST CANT BELIEVE HOW GOD WORK..... I KNEW IN MY HEART THE VISION THAT GOD HAS GIVEN BUT I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO SHOW THE VISION AND MAKE IT PLAIN BUT WHEN I DID GOD CAME AND HAD HIS WAY...



PRAISE HIMMM TEARS TEARS

AMEN!! Praise the Lord!
Pages: [1]   Go Up