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Offline sherporter

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What is the history of the Pentacostal/Cogic style and why is it that some musucians with degrees  and other musucians in other denominations don't khow the techniques of playing it even if the listen to it?

I have had other people with degress or other denonminations listen to it but can't play it.

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Re: What is the history of the Pentacostal /Cogic style and ,....
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2009, 11:24:21 AM »
why is it that some musucians with degrees  and other musucians in other denominations don't khow the techniques of playing it even if the listen to it?

I have had other people with degress or other denonminations listen to it but can't play it.

Dont have a lot of time to respond,.

Thats because a huge part of  the style is based on feeling and improv etc. Many classical guys have learned by reading, and cant do much if you take away their sheet music .

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Re: What is the history of the Pentacostal /Cogic style and ,....
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2009, 11:40:18 AM »
What is the history of the Pentacostal/Cogic style and why is it that some musucians with degrees  and other musucians in other denominations don't khow the techniques of playing it even if the listen to it?

I have had other people with degress or other denonminations listen to it but can't play it.

Musicians who play other styles will find it hard because, like U13 said, it is based off of feeling and a heavy amount of improv. I am a CCM guy and have just started out on gospel and am realizing how different and difficult gospel music is.

Also, like U13 said, musicians who were strictly classically trained find it somewhat difficult to know what to do once the sheet music is not there.
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Re: What is the history of the Pentacostal /Cogic style and ,....
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2009, 03:47:05 PM »
U13 is on the right track when he talks about playing with feeling.  Another thing is a lot of people who read sheet music don't really understand the music in front of them.  They don't see the "theory" in the music, they just reading notes (and other symbols). Once the notes run out, they have nothing else because their mind didn't kick in to understand what was going on.

In order to play by feel, you need to know what you feel.  You need to know that certain chords played in the right order will give you a certain feel in the end.  This is what gives ear players a slight advantage in improvisation, even if they don't know theory.  They know that playing a certain sequence of chords, a certain run, etc. will bring about the feel they want to convey to the listener or even themselves.

So, it's better to have a balance of both skills.  Being able to read music is great.  But couple that with being able to improvise after the music runs out and you will be a great musician.

I'm currently majoring in Music Edcation in college and they have me playing a lot of classical stuff.  Before I play a piece, I take it apart using theory to understand it.  Because of that, I can learn the piece how it's written, then if I want to improvise or play it in another key, I can do that cuz I understand the music.

In gospel, I have no sheet music in front of me.  So, I rely on my theory and stuff that I've practiced to help me learn gospel.  There are patterns to the "Pentacostal/C.O.G.I.C." style of music, but many that play it don't know the theory to be able to communicate those ideas to others.  I'm trying hard to change that on this site.

Believe it or not, the patterns in music are the same for every genre.  Every genre uses 1-5, 1-4, 2-5-1, 7-3-6, 5-1-4, etc. progressions.  The distinction comes in with the types of chords being used, the musical instruments, the runs, etc.
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Re: What is the history of the Pentacostal /Cogic style and ,....
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2009, 11:36:15 PM »
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Re: What is the history of the Pentacostal /Cogic style and ,....
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 01:49:50 PM »
Having done a little research on this subject, because COGIC style fascinates me, I see that the COGIC style uses more full chords with left and right hands moreso than Pentacostal/Apostolic style, which is more right hand chording with a couple of notes on the LH. That has been my personal observation.
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Re: What is the history of the Pentacostal /Cogic style and ,....
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 02:08:10 PM »
Having done a little research on this subject, because COGIC style fascinates me, I see that the COGIC style uses more full chords with left and right hands more so than Pentacostal/Apostolic style, which is more right hand chording with a couple of notes on the LH. That has been my personal observation.

I likes! Having done mostly RH chords w/LH bass lines, after hanging around LGM I now find myself doing more of those jazzy bi-tonal two-hand voicings...
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