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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2009, 04:56:59 PM »
I find that what I learn from my teacher sticks with me far longer than what I learn from a DVD. Could be that it's more hands on, or it could be that my ambitious side leads me to buy a lot of DVDs that I'm not really ready to tackle yet.

Like Betnich said, though, teachers can sidetrack you if you have a specific goal in mind. Right now, my teacher has me sight-reading Hymns that have two notes in the right hand and two in the left. I know he has enough expertise to know what's good for me, but I highly doubt I'm going to be playing full hymns with only two-note chords in ANY live setting ANY time soon  :D.

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2009, 11:34:01 PM »
I know he has enough expertise to know what's good for me, but I highly doubt I'm going to be playing full hymns with only two-note chords in ANY live setting ANY time soon  :D.

And u shouldn't because hymns weren't made to be played on piano, they were made to be sung in 4-part harmony.  It's good for sight-reading though, so keep at it.  Once u get to some hard music, you will appreciate going through this man.
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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2009, 11:48:57 PM »
And u shouldn't because hymns weren't made to be played on piano, they were made to be sung in 4-part harmony.  It's good for sight-reading though, so keep at it.  Once u get to some hard music, you will appreciate going through this man.
True, also I think the hymnals are mostly used by pipe organist. With all the different stops, you can multiply the amount of notes, so even though you are only playing 4 notes and pedals, its gonna sound full

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2009, 07:33:06 AM »
Honestly i don't know how you guys do it. I cannot sight read both bass and treble clefs together. I just can't get it all in my head. I can sight-read both separately, but not together.
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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2009, 08:05:44 AM »
Honestly i don't know how you guys do it. I cannot sight read both bass and treble clefs together. I just can't get it all in my head. I can sight-read both separately, but not together.

you have to practice, the more you read the more you increase. 
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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2009, 08:13:16 AM »
Honestly i don't know how you guys do it. I cannot sight read both bass and treble clefs together. I just can't get it all in my head. I can sight-read both separately, but not together.

Well, when I'm sight-reading the treble clef, I mainly only look at the first note. The first note pretty much tells me what the chord is going to be. That's where knowing your intervals and some theory comes into play.

Then, in reality, the bass clef isn't going to contain very many notes, so it shouldn't be too hard to recognize. With a lot of the notes being spread so far apart, though, it can become a little strenuous at times. Just gotta keep practicing at it.

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2009, 09:55:45 AM »
you have to practice, the more you read the more you increase. 
I've always sucked at sight reading.  I have never been in an environment where I did it on a regular basis.
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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2009, 10:04:19 AM »
I've always sucked at sight reading.  I have never been in an environment where I did it on a regular basis.

I could sight read the right hand of a hymn pretty well, but that was it. but just knowing that has helped a lot. I usually just memorized the right hand and read the left

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2009, 10:39:29 AM »
I've always sucked at sight reading.  I have never been in an environment where I did it on a regular basis.

I am learning, and getting better.  Probably after I finish taking lessons I want be sight reading on a regular basis.  I really want to train my ear.
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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2009, 11:43:31 AM »
I really want to train my ear.
That's always been my "problem"  When I took lessons, the teacher would play the song I was supposed to sight read.  I wouldn't ready but just play what she played.  It worked for a while until she tricked me and put up the sheet music for one song but played different song.
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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2009, 11:57:31 AM »
I noticed that when reading music from an hymn book certain patterns of notes show up over and over relative to the key that you are playing in at the time. When you see the pattern, you don't actually have to read the notes as you already know what they are(by recognizing the pattern) I started to look for them and to try to internalize them. That helped a little bit. Most of the patterns are parts of 1-4-5 chords split up into two hands.  Sometimes I will add the tenor note to the first two, playing a chord in the right hand and playing the bass low on the board in octaves. That way you can add bass runs.  As a memory aid, you can write the chord names in above the lines(stanza)or at the top for tricky parts.

The African American Heritage Hymnal, a good practice tool, also has some licks and short runs in it that are helpful. They can be used with other songs. 

There are churches(sometimes methodist)that would be well pleased if you played hymns from a book and played them well. (and threw in a foot stomper off and on)

I would really like to be able to read sheet music well. It would be great just to buy sheet music for a song that you like and just play it from the music. that is not at all easy. Certainly more difficult than reading from an hymn book.

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2009, 04:01:41 AM »
There are different levels to reading.

The first level is like knowing the alphabet and how the letters sound. You can recognize the notes on the staff, but you have to sound out each chord. You cannot recognize "words", or in this case, chords.

The second level is like knowing the shapes of words. When we read English, we don't have to sound out the words because we recognize their shapes. I'm sure all of us have seen the jumbled word test, wehre yuo cna sitll raed teh wrods enve thuogh thye'er mixde, which is like reading chord inversions. This applies to reading sheet music: once you can recognize the different shapes of the chords, then you don't have to sound it out.

The third level is when you can recognize groups of chords, and internalize it before you actually play it. This is called chunking. We do this when we read English too. Good readers can read groups of words before they say them aloud.

The fourth level would be like speed reading. Expert readers can internalize huge chunks of words. An expert sight reader can look over sheet music once, and play it without ever looking at it again.

Personally, I fall between level 1 and 2. I used to be at level two, but lost it when I stopped playing for five years. I haven't put a lot of effort into gaining it back yet. I'm between 3 and 4 with my ear, because I can hear the quality of chords and progressions, and sometimes even repeat a song perfectly. Because of some gaps in my knowledge, I feel I'm still an intermediate player--maybe even a low intermediate.

A lot of people here will say they are intermediate, when they're really beginners, or say they are advanced, when they are really intermediate.

I'll give an example:

I bought a bottle of "Banana Cream Muscle Milk" yesterday. My daughter saw it and wanted some, but when I asked her what it was, she hadn't seen the bottle, and thought it was juice. This is what happens when a beginner hears a song: they don't even get close to it.

After she had seen the bottle, she could read the words but couldn't sound out "muscle" correctly. She said "myuscal". My wife and I laughed, but she didn't think it was funny. She also saw the banana image, but from where she was sitting it looked like a lemon, I guess. An intermediate player is like this: they can play the song pretty close, but it's still off a little.

An advanced player cannot only create music, they can also replicate what they read and hear.

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2009, 06:21:54 PM »
Right now, my teacher has me sight-reading Hymns that have two notes in the right hand and two in the left. I know he has enough expertise to know what's good for me, but I highly doubt I'm going to be playing full hymns with only two-note chords in ANY live setting ANY time soon  :D.


CHEAT on playing Hymns from the book: Just play the top note melody in the RH (Treble - Soprano part) and the bottom note in the LH (Bass). If you can't do that, then just the top note in the Trable staff....fill in the inner notes later...

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2009, 06:23:30 PM »
^^

B3 that post is EXCELLENT!!!

As far as reading music is concerned, i am definitely at level 1. I know what the notes are and can call them out and such, but i cannot understand them in chunks. I am really trying to work hard at it, but it can be frustrating.
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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2009, 09:42:51 AM »
There are different levels to reading.

The first level is like knowing the alphabet and how the letters sound. You can recognize the notes on the staff, but you have to sound out each chord. You cannot recognize "words", or in this case, chords.

The second level is like knowing the shapes of words. When we read English, we don't have to sound out the words because we recognize their shapes. I'm sure all of us have seen the jumbled word test, wehre yuo cna sitll raed teh wrods enve thuogh thye'er mixde, which is like reading chord inversions. This applies to reading sheet music: once you can recognize the different shapes of the chords, then you don't have to sound it out.

The third level is when you can recognize groups of chords, and internalize it before you actually play it. This is called chunking. We do this when we read English too. Good readers can read groups of words before they say them aloud.

The fourth level would be like speed reading. Expert readers can internalize huge chunks of words. An expert sight reader can look over sheet music once, and play it without ever looking at it again.

Personally, I fall between level 1 and 2. I used to be at level two, but lost it when I stopped playing for five years. I haven't put a lot of effort into gaining it back yet. I'm between 3 and 4 with my ear, because I can hear the quality of chords and progressions, and sometimes even repeat a song perfectly. Because of some gaps in my knowledge, I feel I'm still an intermediate player--maybe even a low intermediate.

A lot of people here will say they are intermediate, when they're really beginners, or say they are advanced, when they are really intermediate.

I'll give an example:

I bought a bottle of "Banana Cream Muscle Milk" yesterday. My daughter saw it and wanted some, but when I asked her what it was, she hadn't seen the bottle, and thought it was juice. This is what happens when a beginner hears a song: they don't even get close to it.

After she had seen the bottle, she could read the words but couldn't sound out "muscle" correctly. She said "myuscal". My wife and I laughed, but she didn't think it was funny. She also saw the banana image, but from where she was sitting it looked like a lemon, I guess. An intermediate player is like this: they can play the song pretty close, but it's still off a little.

An advanced player cannot only create music, they can also replicate what they read and hear.
   
...I guess I would be a level 3.... I'm the type that if you put sheet music in front of me, I would have at it....
 
 ...from elementary-middle school my piano teacher would put me in competitions that would have you first play your piece and then sight-read a piece that they give you...
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    My problem is trusting my ear more...I can sit down, listen to a song and write the notes out but playing on the spot is a struggle...

    ...Although my style at church flows, playing nothing but classical piano for almost 10 years has made my hands kind of stiff and so structured...

  ...jazz lessons have helped a little, but when you are trained to be a "perfectionist" on the piano, you get scared to play a note that's wrong...even if it does fit...

  ...My dad laughs at me because I have no expression in my face when I'm playing

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2009, 10:57:46 AM »
Yeah i remember when some dude came to our church once and said he could play piano. he had been solely classically trained and could play all these pieces like nobody's business. However when it came time to playing a gospel song i was so disappointed to see that all he could play were 1-4-5 basic triads and such.
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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2009, 11:10:47 AM »
Yeah i remember when some dude came to our church once and said he could play piano. he had been solely classically trained and could play all these pieces like nobody's business. However when it came time to playing a gospel song i was so disappointed to see that all he could play were 1-4-5 basic triads and such.

  I was like that when I first played at church (age 14)...now...I've never had to worry because the songs we sing...I have the sheets music for (Gospel & CCM) I'll either have the sheets or I would listen at home and write them myself...I just want to be prepared for the..."God has put this song on my heart..." stuff without stressin out...

    ...The crazy thing is...that has happened to me before and I played the song just fine, but on the inside I was freakin out!

        ...it's a trust issue for me...

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Re: DVD Piano Lessons ARE NOT In Person Piano Lessons
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2009, 07:59:46 AM »
Yeah i remember when some dude came to our church once and said he could play piano. he had been solely classically trained and could play all these pieces like nobody's business. However when it came time to playing a gospel song i was so disappointed to see that all he could play were 1-4-5 basic triads and such.

That is so true. You know man, different people got they own definition of being "good" on the keys. You can be an awesome sight-reader, but suck at playing by ear. You can be an awesome ear player, but suck at sight-reading. For each of those types of people, you will get some who would call them beasts for the one skill, and sorry for the other skill.

I'm learning more and more that it is best to be well-rounded in many aspects (and genres) of music and not to think too highly of yourself or anybody else.
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2009, 08:17:58 AM »
That is so true. You know man, different people got they own definition of being "good" on the keys. You can be an awesome sight-reader, but suck at playing by ear. You can be an awesome ear player, but suck at sight-reading. For each of those types of people, you will get some who would call them beasts for the one skill, and sorry for the other skill.

I'm learning more and more that it is best to be well-rounded in many aspects (and genres) of music and not to think too highly of yourself or anybody else.

  Agreed...
   
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...When I get together with my brother, we're studying...music is so complex and amazing...I'm never bored with it...

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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2009, 08:55:17 AM »
  Agreed...
   
    ...I always try to learn from other musicians and it annoys me a little when I come across other musicians who act as if they're done learning...

...When I get together with my brother, we're studying...music is so complex and amazing...I'm never bored with it...

  I'm serious, the lgm fam has really helped me out a burnch(int). Such a blessin you guys are to me...love u all!!! :-* :D

...i...totally...agree...with...you...
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