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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2009, 01:57:55 PM »
Top of the line is subject to debate.  Get whatever suits your needs and/or wants.  Different keyboards have different sounds and features; also ease of use is a factor.  Some boards are better for live situations where you need to move to different sounds quickly.  It's all about what you use it for and what you can afford.

True. some things you will never use, so for some people a stage piano might be better than a workstation. Portability is a factor too.

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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2009, 04:55:26 PM »
peole think oh he too good to play the church stuff but what I don't understand is if you are a beginner why you they buy the pro equipment like motif and triton u gotta start off small

Well, me I started with a free keyboard(my dads keyboard, which I claimed after he died..he was a piano player and I actually started playing piano after he died)...but if I could afford a Roland Fantom G8, I'd get one right now. Am I ready for it? Hmm...well, not only do I play piano, but I mess around with studio work. I have Cubase 4 and Presonus audio interface and a few other things. Even with all of these things, Fantom G8 may still be too much for me.

But me, I wish I could have the best. I think its set up where you get what you need...feel me? It's like, when the sustain pedal jack broke on my keyboard, my church was going to pay for the repairs, but I needed a keyboard NOW lol. So I got I applied and approved for $500 worth of Guitar Center credit and got me a Casio Privia(don't know model off top of my head) for $500. I still use it to this day. It's not a Triton or Motif, but its a real 88 keyboard with weighted keys. So I got what I need. I do want a Fantom G8 BADLY, but I just can't afford it. But I do feel like when I can afford it, by that time, I will probably be ready for it. So while I want the best, I think everything happens for a reason.


But as far as other keyboard players, I do agree and I think some people do buy expensive boards that they really don't need. Its like eye candy to them, but their skill level is not ready for that kind of board.





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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2009, 05:03:04 PM »
Has anybody ever seen somebody walk up in the place with a keyboard with a whole lot of buttons, words and a little LCD screen...and they just KNOW that they got a top of the line keyboard LOL...and its just a toy?

Maybe its just me(and I dont have a $3000 board), but I just can't stand toy keyboards...keyboards with those small toy-like keys. The sounds just sound toyish even though its supposed to look so advanced, its really not. The boards that weigh just about nothing. I'm not the best, but if its not a 76 or 88 key keyboard with a more realistic feel to it, Im just not feeling it.


To be honest, if someone came up to me and said "look, I'll give you this Roland Fantom G6 for free, but you can't buy a Roland Fantom G8", ima be like "nah, i wait the amount of years to get the G8"

Even though G6 is still a top keyboard, I'd use it only for studio work, but never to just PLAY the piano.
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2009, 05:23:16 PM »
Has anybody ever seen somebody walk up in the place with a keyboard with a whole lot of buttons, words and a little LCD screen...and they just KNOW that they got a top of the line keyboard LOL...and its just a toy?

Maybe its just me(and I dont have a $3000 board), but I just can't stand toy keyboards...keyboards with those small toy-like keys. The sounds just sound toyish even though its supposed to look so advanced, its really not. The boards that weigh just about nothing. I'm not the best, but if its not a 76 or 88 key keyboard with a more realistic feel to it, Im just not feeling it.


To be honest, if someone came up to me and said "look, I'll give you this Roland Fantom G6 for free, but you can't buy a Roland Fantom G8", ima be like "nah, i wait the amount of years to get the G8"Even though G6 is still a top keyboard, I'd use it only for studio work, but never to just PLAY the piano.
sometimes you gotta take whats givin' to you i got a motif es6 i wanted a 7 but couldnt find one and it was out of my budget anyways but if you dont play classical or play by yourself in church 88 keys are a waste of money but you just gotta have that feel so i understand also.
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2009, 05:29:31 PM »
Instant reverence?  You may get some instant attention or stares, but reverence?  No way.  You gotta prove u got some skills before u can get any kind of reverence.

And for those of you dissing the Casios,  :P  :P  :P!

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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2009, 05:41:26 PM »
  You gotta prove u got some skills before u can get any kind of reverence.





You also gotta prove that you have a good attitude. People aint gonna respect you if you have a nasty attitude. I know most of us know a few cats like that.

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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2009, 05:41:26 PM »
Instant reverence?  You may get some instant attention or stares, but reverence?  No way.  You gotta prove u got some skills before u can get any kind of reverence.

And for those of you dissing the Casios,  :P  :P  :P!

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i must admit the casios are coming up in th world  :D
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2009, 05:44:23 PM »
sometimes you gotta take whats givin' to you i got a motif es6 i wanted a 7 but couldnt find one and it was out of my budget anyways but if you dont play classical or play by yourself in church 88 keys are a waste of money but you just gotta have that feel so i understand also.


If there were 61 key keyboards that had the same feel as an 88 key keyboard, then I'd be all for it...but it just feels too light...too toyish.


If I were handed a top keyboard that happened to have 61 keys, I'd take it...I wouldn't play it when playing piano...it'd just be for studio work...well, or unless for better portability, but I'd prefer the 88 key keyboard in a heartbeat.
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PM »
Thats why I love yamahas......................I got a ES7 and even though they arent weighted, there keys are heavier than the normal non-weighted board......

I can respect a non weighted board though.  I like to switch between it and an 88 Weighted joint.  That way i wont get so used to playin eiher that i get uncomfortable on the other...
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2009, 09:14:01 PM »
Thats why I love yamahas......................I got a ES7 and even though they arent weighted, there keys are heavier than the normal non-weighted board......

I can respect a non weighted board though.  I like to switch between it and an 88 Weighted joint.  That way i wont get so used to playin eiher that i get uncomfortable on the other...
word all yamahas I played on have good action and feel
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2009, 10:27:29 PM »
The only 61 key boards I'd get are a REAL Rhodes, Wurlitzer, or a Nord Electro.

The Electro beats Motif, and all the other boards in the same category for sound quality and weight.

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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2009, 09:01:23 AM »
you can't pay attention to the keyboard rookies they don't know the dx series is a classic man I got a dx7 @ the crib it was a hand me down from my pops lol never givin that up

Ahh... the classic EP sound, I call it the "winans sound"... but you heard that sound on every ballad in the 80s-early 90's...

Top of the line is subject to debate.  Get whatever suits your needs and/or wants.  Different keyboards have different sounds and features; also ease of use is a factor.  Some boards are better for live situations where you need to move to different sounds quickly.  It's all about what you use it for and what you can afford.

Naw bruh, If your keyboard has "100 Built-in Tones" and bright purple and yellow buttons, I don't care how well it suits your needs, you need to keep that thing at your church... naw, just kidding.

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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2009, 08:03:12 AM »

You also gotta prove that you have a good attitude. People aint gonna respect you if you have a nasty attitude. I know most of us know a few cats like that.

I'm talking about the skills.  Bad attitude or not, if a person can play and know what they doing, that earns at least some respect.  I can respect a person's skills, but not like them.  A good attitude is definitely a plus though.
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2009, 08:27:04 AM »
I'm talking about the skills.  Bad attitude or not, if a person can play and know what they doing, that earns at least some respect.  I can respect a person's skills, but not like them.  A good attitude is definitely a plus though.


I agree, if someone can play, then they'll get respect. In most cases, a nasty attitude could be others just misjudging him and misunderstanding that particular person as many people do.

Respect talent and give someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a bad attitude. Everyone has a story that we may not know...but they had enough discipline to master their craft and I'd respect that any day.
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2009, 03:08:38 PM »
Naw bruh, If your keyboard has "100 Built-in Tones" and bright purple and yellow buttons, I don't care how well it suits your needs, you need to keep that thing at your church...



Man, i will come to your church and put it on yall wit my axe....


yall dont want it wit me.

aint no transpose button there either.

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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2009, 06:33:40 PM »

Man, i will come to your church and put it on yall wit my axe....


yall dont want it wit me.

aint no transpose button there either.


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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2009, 06:51:06 PM »
lol, You can tell which people are used to the low-budget boards cuz when they come to your church they be sayin' stuff like, "Put it on Synth 1 for me" or "do you got Drawbar Organ 3 on this keyboard?" or "Brass 3 will be fine"... I be like "wha???"

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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2009, 12:27:31 PM »

I agree, if someone can play, then they'll get respect. In most cases, a nasty attitude could be others just misjudging him and misunderstanding that particular person as many people do.

Respect talent and give someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a bad attitude. Everyone has a story that we may not know...but they had enough discipline to master their craft and I'd respect that any day.

i think there's a difference between the reception of such people with other musicians and non-musicians. with non musicians, if he walks in with a keyboard, assumptions are that he plays keyboard and automatically that means he's in charge of the music. ive been learning keys, but primarily a bass player, and ask any of my fellow bass players and drummers how many times we've been there, with no organist/keyboardist and folks say "we're waiting on the musician to show up". or you could have an 8 year old on keys that just started learning 2 weeks ago and have other musicians that been playing for like 30 years on the pro circuit, and everybody lookin at the 8 year old to say whats what just because he's on keys. so in that case, with non-musicians, yes i think you get instant reverence.

with other musicians however, you have to prove yourself. everybody is gonna want to see what you have to offer, particularly if ur a "nobody". Your attitude is key to how you are received. If you are humble, people will see your skill openly. If you arent that skilled you'll have people willing to help you out, encourage, give you pointers, invite you to jams/shows/rehearsals to come watch and learn, etc. If you're skilled people will look to you for those things. Of course you'll have the haters in either scenario. But if you're all cocky and full of yourself, nobody really wants to deal with you anyway. A big problem with some, is that they go the humble route UNTIL they establish themselves, then they become arrogant and such because they know they're skilled.

Be careful with the expensive equipment; the more exotic ur equipment, the higher the expectation of you is. thats just the reality of things. same concept goes with any aspect of life. I started out with a $150 yamaha ES313 and then upgraded to a Yamaha MM6 which i love. This is even worse in the bass and guitar realm because theres so many more options and then u delve into the custom made items as well. I say when you go out, bring something that best reflects your skill level. If top of the line/bottom of the line is all you have, then put your humble attitude on overdrive.
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Re: Keys = Automatic Respect?
« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2009, 10:49:48 PM »
Musicians are a strange breed of animal. When you step on the scene as a musician, you had BETTER be good or you get very little respect.

This is why i am grateful i started my music career in a small church. I get to improve my chops and get better until it is time for me to play outside engagements.
Exactly what I'm doing now. And it is helping ALOT!
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