Topic: Gay Marriage (Read 48460 times)

funkStrat_97 · « **on:** May 21, 2009, 12:45:59 PM »

With DC poised to pass legislation to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states and thus move one step closer to legalizing gay marriage, there have been campaigns warning about the dangers that gay marriage poses to the institution of traditional marriage. But how could giving gays the legal right to marry have any impact on heterosexual marital rights?

Fenix · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:13:25 PM »

I suppose it is the permissive aspect of allowing gay marriage that bugs people, me included. I myself do not see how letting some gay people marry affect heterosexual marriage.

I look at gay marriage as a mockery of God's laws and a direct slap to his face.

under13 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:15:38 PM »

Here we go.

I dont think its about our rights, but about morals and having a standard, so that our children will know what is right and what is wrong.

malthumb · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:31:22 PM »

Quote from: funkStrat_97 on May 21, 2009, 12:45:59 PM

With DC poised to pass legislation to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states and thus move one step closer to legalizing gay marriage, there have been campaigns warning about the dangers that gay marriage poses to the institution of traditional marriage. But how could giving gays the legal right to marry have any impact on heterosexual marital rights?

Replace the word "gay" with the word "interracial" and replace the word "heterosexual" with the word "my" and you have "Loving v State of Virginia".

I just wish it could be called something else. Tying the word "gay" to the word "marriage" tends to allow emotion to supplant reason on both sides of the issue. Personally, I have no problem with allowing two people to document their commitment to spending their lives together legally and spiritually. AS much as we'd like it to be different, EVERYBODY isn't a Christian and therefore not beholden to abide by our values. Just like we are not Muslims and therefore not beholden to live by their values.

I have a co-worker who is in a committed same-sex relationship. If more "married" couples treated each other with the same level of caring and respect that they extend to each other, divorce rates would drop dramatically. I'm sure there are also severely dysfunctional same-sex relationships. But that's kind of the point. Neither heterosexual or homosexual couples hold charter to the concept of healthy or dysfunctional relationships. You find healthy and dysfunctional relationships in both.

Whether my co-worker and his partner are married or not (I honestly don't know if they are) has NO bearing on the quality of my marriage. I've always said the same to some of my friends who have some really irrational issues with interracial couples / marriages. I always point out that they already have their life partner, so how does this one white person dating this one black person impact their lifestyle? The answer is almost always something to the affect of "I just don't like it. It ain't right". At the end of the day, nothing in their lives is ever different except for their blood pressure being temporarily elevated.

Peace,

James

COGIC4REAL · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:37:40 PM »

"I just don't like it. It ain't right".

malthumb · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:42:10 PM »

Quote from: COGIC4REAL on May 21, 2009, 01:37:40 PM

"I just don't like it. It ain't right".

See what I mean?

Incognegro · « **Reply #6 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:47:57 PM »

Quote from: malthumb on May 21, 2009, 01:31:22 PM

Replace the word "gay" with the word "interracial" and replace the word "heterosexual" with the word "my" and you have "Loving v State of Virginia".

I just wish it could be called something else. Tying the word "gay" to the word "marriage" tends to allow emotion to supplant reason on both sides of the issue. Personally, I have no problem with allowing two people to document their commitment to spending their lives together legally and spiritually. AS much as we'd like it to be different, EVERYBODY isn't a Christian and therefore not beholden to abide by our values. Just like we are not Muslims and therefore not beholden to live by their values.

I have a co-worker who is in a committed same-sex relationship. If more "married" couples treated each other with the same level of caring and respect that they extend to each other, divorce rates would drop dramatically. I'm sure there are also severely dysfunctional same-sex relationships. But that's kind of the point. Neither heterosexual or homosexual couples hold charter to the concept of healthy or dysfunctional relationships. You find healthy and dysfunctional relationships in both.

Whether my co-worker and his partner are married or not (I honestly don't know if they are) has NO bearing on the quality of my marriage. I've always said the same to some of my friends who have some really irrational issues with interracial couples / marriages. I always point out that they already have their life partner, so how does this one white person dating this one black person impact their lifestyle? The answer is almost always something to the affect of "I just don't like it. It ain't right". At the end of the day, nothing in their lives is ever different except for their blood pressure being temporarily elevated.

Peace,

James

Are you drawing a parralel between interracial marriage and Gay marriage?

themidiroom · « **Reply #7 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:48:45 PM »

Quote from: COGIC4REAL on May 21, 2009, 01:37:40 PM

"I just don't like it. It ain't right".

Herman?

Anyways, I think it's messed up for a state to be OK with common law marriage but turn their nose up at gay marriage.

malthumb · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:53:56 PM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 21, 2009, 01:47:57 PM

Are you drawing a parralel between interracial marriage and Gay marriage?

Moreso people's irrational responses to both. People have very strong opinions on things that for the most part do not impact them.

It wouldn't be possible for me to draw a direct parallel. I could possibly have found myself in an interracial marriage. I could not have found myself in a gay marriage.

Incognegro · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:56:28 PM »

Quote from: malthumb on May 21, 2009, 01:53:56 PM

Moreso people's irrational responses to both. People have very strong opinions on things that for the most part do not impact them.

What would you say is an "irrational" response to the notion of gay marriage?

Fenix · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:00:19 PM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 21, 2009, 01:56:28 PM

What would you say is an "irrational" response to the notion of gay marriage?

Quote from: COGIC4REAL on May 21, 2009, 01:37:40 PM

"I just don't like it. It ain't right".

malthumb · « **Reply #11 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:00:45 PM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 21, 2009, 01:56:28 PM

What would you say is an "irrational" response to the notion of gay marriage?

From my original post on this topic, appropriately modified.......

Whether my co-worker and his partner are married or not (I honestly don't know if they are) has NO bearing on the quality of my marriage. I've always said the same to some of my friends who have some really irrational issues with interracial couples / marriages. I always point out that they already have their life partner, so how does this one gay person dating this one gay person impact their lifestyle? The answer is almost always something to the affect of "I just don't like it. It ain't right". At the end of the day, nothing in their lives is ever different except for their blood pressure being temporarily elevated.

Basically, getting emotionally twisted up in an issue that has little or no impact on a person, their family, their lifestyle because they simply don't like it.

joshuag · « **Reply #12 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:08:50 PM »

Sodom and Gomorrah

What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah? It is abundantly clear that homosexuality was the primary evil. The biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah is recorded in Genesis chapters 18-19. Genesis chapter 18 records the LORD and two angels coming to speak with Abraham. The LORD reiterated His promise to Abraham that he would have a son through Sarah. The LORD also informed Abraham that "the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous." Verses 22-33 record Abraham pleading with the LORD to have mercy on Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham's nephew, Lot, and his family lived in Sodom.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities — and also the vegetation in the land."

The men of Sodom and Gomorrah, thinking that the visiting angels were men, wanted to have sex with them. Those who attempt to explain away the biblical condemnations of homosexuality claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. While the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable, that clearly was not all. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah desired to perform homosexual gang rape on the angels. Also, God never declared inhospitality to be an abomination to Him, while Leviticus 18:22 makes God’s view of homosexuality clear: “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”

While Sodom and Gomorrah were surely guilty of many other horrendous sins, homosexuality was the reason God poured fiery sulfur on the cities, completely destroying them and all of their inhabitants. To this day, the area where Sodom and Gomorrah were located remains a desolate wasteland. Sodom and Gomorrah serve as a powerful example of how God feels about sin in general, and homosexuality specifically.

nothing else to say>>>>>> peace

BigFoot_BigThumb · « **Reply #13 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:19:36 PM »

This is all about money. These states are going to fix it where they can make some money in many ways off of these gay couples. When all of these couples file for marriage licenses and pay these other fees it will raise huge amounts of revenue for the states. We already know that some folks will compromise many values when it comes down to the almighty dollar.

COGIC4REAL · « **Reply #14 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:23:54 PM »

"I just don't like it. It ain't right".

Quote from: themidiroom on May 21, 2009, 01:48:45 PM

Herman?

Yes brother? I said it and meant it. Didn't stutter or have a slur in my speech on one word.

"I just don't like it. It ain't right".

Be thou not shocked.

"I just don't like it. It ain't right".

Should I say it again? LOL!

Incognegro · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:32:38 PM »

Quote from: malthumb on May 21, 2009, 02:00:45 PM

Basically, getting emotionally twisted up in an issue that has little or no impact on a person, their family, their lifestyle because they simply don't like it.

I'll say this:

As Christians, we should declare what is right and what is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong, and by extension Gay Marriage is also wrong.

This is not something that I "simply don't like". This is something God's Word clearly stands against.

nessalynn77 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:39:55 PM »

...and for me common law is just as bad. The bible also teaches against sex outside of marriage, so you gotta call a spade a spade on all fronts. Legal whorehouses... the whole nine yards of stuff this country sanctions that is out and out defiance of the natural order of things set in motion by God himself.

kodacolor · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:02:41 PM »

Quote from: nessalynn77 on May 21, 2009, 02:39:55 PM

The bible also teaches against sex outside of marriage, so you gotta call a spade a spade on all fronts. Legal whorehouses... the whole nine yards of stuff this country sanctions that is out and out defiance of the natural order of things set in motion by God himself.

THANK YOU!!

Fenix · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:03:48 PM »

**Snorts in disgust**

Common law marriage? Just say you want the benefits of marriage with the option of bailing out. Of course the most obvious argument that people who practice this will put forth is that so far as they are committed to themselves, there is no need for any legal binding.

malthumb · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:18:19 PM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 21, 2009, 02:32:38 PM

I'll say this:

As Christians, we should declare what is right and what is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong, and by extension Gay Marriage is also wrong.

This is not something that I "simply don't like". This is something God's Word clearly stands against.

I would call what you just laid out a rational position when it is a position held by a Christian in relation to a Christian.

When we are talking about the law of the land (as is the case with DC), it is intentionally focused on not making decisions based on one form of religion over another. For the sake of argument (argument as in debate, not argument as in confrontation) suppose that two people who do not proclaim to be Christians decide they want to "marry". My Christian values are irrelevant to them, but the law of the land where they intend to do this is not.

We all are subject to two sets of laws. The laws of morality as governed by the faith we CHOOSE to follow and the laws of the land where we CHOOSE to live. For those of us on this site, it is safe to assume we're talking Christian to Christian, so the laws of the Bible are relevant. Personally, I do not hold a non-Christian accountable to the tenets of the Bible I believe in if they do not, but I will hold them accountable to the laws of the land we have both chosen to live in. In return, I do not expect a follower of any other religion to hold me accountable to the tenets of their holy book.

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