Gay Marriage

[themidiroom]

Y'all know this is now officially my type of discussion.  But I'll refrain 

I'm surprised it's still going.  Must be a slow news day.   

[funkStrat_97]

i'm talking about the ten commandments.  Do u know what nullified means?  judgement has not been nullified.  The penalty has been changed.  We wont be punished eternally for them.  So the laws remain its just the punishment from disobedience to these laws have been altered but neither changed nor nullified.

The Law includes the Ten Commandments plus a host of ordinances.  It is impossible for us to satisfy God's requirement of righteousness by trying (and always failing) to keep the law.  To say that the whole law - including the Ten Commandments - was fulfilled in Christ does not mean that we can just go ahead and live our lives any way we please with impunity.  For starters, if we are truly born of the Spirit we are dead to sin.  And if we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?  We were condemned under the law; but through Christ's obedience and fulfillment, we are found to be righteous in the eyes of God.  The punishment has been nullified because there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ and walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. 

[brutha28]

The Law includes the Ten Commandments plus a host of ordinances.  It is impossible for us to satisfy God's requirement of righteousness by trying (and always failing) to keep the law.  To say that the whole law - including the Ten Commandments - was fulfilled in Christ does not mean that we can just go ahead and live our lives any way we please with impunity.  For starters, if we are truly born of the Spirit we are dead to sin.  And if we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?  We were condemned under the law; but through Christ's obedience and fulfillment, we are found to be righteous in the eyes of God.  The punishment has been nullified because there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ and walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. 

You can't use scripture to condone sin.  They must stop sinning inoder to before given.  Jesus Christ died to make it available for us  to CHOOSE whether or not we want to acknowlege that he died on the Cross for our sins and then turn away from sin and not do it anymore.

[funkStrat_97]

You can't use scripture to condone sin.  They must stop sinning inoder to before given.  Jesus Christ died to make it available for us  to CHOOSE whether or not we want to acknowlege that he died on the Cross for our sins and then turn away from sin and not do it anymore.

Who's using Scripture to condone sin   

[sjonathan02]

Who's using Scripture to condone sin   

Exactly. No one has. No one believes homosexuality to be right. No one has said any of that. 

[COGIC4REAL]

It's wrong as two left shoes (and I have been there, go figure).

Seems like a very informative discussion, guys.

However, I have to wonder....for the straight musicians who KNOW that your homeboy who plays bass has groupies on every tour and has 'banged' at least four girls in each section of the choir....are you just as hard on your homeboy?  Or is it okay because he messes with girls instead of dudes (that you know of)?

I am shocked these days to discover that a lot of my musician friends who give 'thumbs down' to a homosexual give 'thumbs up' to the homeboy with the biggest scorecard in the choirstand.  Seriously.

Just wondering.

[BassbyGrace]

NOW let the discussion begin LOLOL.  Wow....

[malthumb]

....However, I have to wonder....for the straight musicians who KNOW that your homeboy who plays bass has groupies on every tour and has 'banged' at least four girls in each section of the choir....are you just as hard on your homeboy?  Or is it okay because he messes with girls instead of dudes (that you know of)?

I am shocked these days to discover that a lot of my musician friends who give 'thumbs down' to a homosexual give 'thumbs up' to the homeboy with the biggest scorecard in the choirstand.  Seriously.

Just wondering.

This oughta be good

[sjonathan02]

This oughta be good

Yo, man!!  Grab, grab pass, bruh; grab, grab, pass!
























 

[COGIC4REAL]

Y'all are really funny tonight, I see.  LOL!!

I am not trying to start World War Four, geesh.

I have a friend who Pastors a church.  He wants me to work with his choir in the absence of a Director/someone to teach parts.

He says rehearsals fluctuate because his organist doesn't drive. He said he'd be responsible for getting him there whenever I chose to have a rehearsal because the musician 'stays with his gal' a few blocks away.

That is what provoked my question.  Put the popcorn down, please.  It was a provoked question/issue that I seriously wondered where musicians stand on?

[COGIC4REAL]

They must stop sinning inoder to before given. 

At this rate, sad to say, I will never be forgiven.  Even if I have written off sex, sometimes I curse when people make me mad.  Sometimes I get mad and SEVERAL suns go down before I seek to make amends.  Sometimes I haven't made amends at all.  Sometimes I was in a hurry and drove above the speed limit.  Sometimes I lie, etc.

So, if I read this correctly,  this comment alludes to the fact that "until I'm able to cast the first stone, forgiveness will never be an option for me".

Why am I constantly praying for forgiveness knowing that I might be running late for work tomorrow and drive 70 instead of 65?  And when I get there, Samantha might have on a tight skirt with her feet out....AND I WILL LOOK!!!!

You truly DO learn something new every day.

[funkStrat_97]

This topic has gone off on several tangents over the cours of time.  Since my original question was how legalizing gay marriage would impact traditonal good old fashined man-and-woman gettin' it on marriage, I have to say that it probably wont have any impact.  Regardless of where you stand on the issue, I still don't see how allowing gays to marry would impact heterosexual marriage.  Although we may not be on the same page with regards to weather they should have the legal right to marry, we all pretty much agree - per the Word of God - that homosexuality is wrong.

[COGIC4REAL]

This topic has gone off on several tangents over the cours of time.  Since my original question was how legalizing gay marriage would impact traditonal good old fashined man-and-woman gettin' it on marriage, I have to say that it probably wont have any impact.  Regardless of where you stand on the issue, I still don't see how allowing gays to marry would impact heterosexual marriage.  Although we may not be on the same page with regards to weather they should have the legal right to marry, we all pretty much agree - per the Word of God - that homosexuality is wrong.

It will impact it adversely because our kids will see a man/man or woman/woman marriage as 'normal' and legal long before they're old enough to read where God says it's not right.

To a young, impressionable child, LEGAL means RIGHT.  It may not affect us much now, but in the future the legalization of such foolishness will only corrupt and corrode the corridors of impressionable minds.


In other words.....


I don't like it.  It ain't right.  LOL!!!!!

[karlmhoon]

 The Devil is a Lier

 

[BassbyGrace]

To answer the question, I do think it will impact it.  Partly because since legalizing gay marriage will mean ultimately in PLAIN view that its okay, it will become a more desensitized issue.  Along with that to me it would be more influence to those that arent strictly guided in the Word or with a spiritual base to lean towards being complacent with the ruling and more opposed to Christianity or any avenues that would still oppose it even if it is law.  I think when you have anything that is pure, the more ways you have to defile it, the harder it is to maintain the authentic purity.  With alot of these issues, I am just continually reminded of the scripture where Jesus says let the tare and wheat grow together and at due time, they shall be separated.

[COGIC4REAL]

I think when you have anything that is pure, the more ways you have to defile it, the harder it is to maintain the authentic purity. 

Please don't sue me if I use that.....


*dropping $5,000 LGM dollars in BassbyGrace's offering basket*

[funkStrat_97]

It's wrong as two left shoes (and I have been there, go figure).

Seems like a very informative discussion, guys.

However, I have to wonder....for the straight musicians who KNOW that your homeboy who plays bass has groupies on every tour and has 'banged' at least four girls in each section of the choir....are you just as hard on your homeboy?  Or is it okay because he messes with girls instead of dudes (that you know of)?

I am shocked these days to discover that a lot of my musician friends who give 'thumbs down' to a homosexual give 'thumbs up' to the homeboy with the biggest scorecard in the choirstand.  Seriously.

Just wondering.

I think that over the years, heterosexual sin has been more "acceptable" than homosexual sin.  If you're a guy who has been found out to be sleeping around with women, yes your actions are frowned upon and in many (but not all) cases, there are disciplinary actions that follow...some may be quite severe.  But often times, you will be forgiven and restored to fellowship.  Now if, OTOH, you are found out to be gay then not only are you punished, but you will be stigmatized as a pervert because most people in church see homosexualilty as just plain wierd.  They'll keep their kids away from you and treat you a little differently from then on. 

[Incognegro]

I think that over the years, heterosexual sin has been more "acceptable" than homosexual sin.  If you're a guy who has been found out to be sleeping around with women, yes your actions are frowned upon and in many (but not all) cases, there are disciplinary actions that follow...some may be quite severe.  But often times, you will be forgiven and restored to fellowship.  Now if, OTOH, you are found out to be gay then not only are you punished, but you will be stigmatized as a pervert because most people in church see homosexualilty as just plain wierd.  They'll keep their kids away from you and treat you a little differently from then on. 

We've all be told that "There are no big sin or little sin.  Sin is sin."

But that isn't true.  It's not scriptural.

There are some sins for which God would mete out mild discipline, and others for which the penalty would be death.

Homosexuality is the sin that caused God to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah. 

It's also the sin noted to be an abomination.

So yes, some sins are greater than others. 

You can try to put fornicators and homosexuals in the same category all you want, but scripturaly, they aren't.

[Incognegro]

We've all be told that "There are no big sin or little sin.  Sin is sin."

But that isn't true.  It's not scriptural.

There are some sins for which God would mete out mild discipline, and others for which the penalty would be death.

Homosexuality is the sin that caused God to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah. 

It's also the sin noted to be an abomination.

So yes, some sins are greater than others. 

You can try to put fornicators and homosexuals in the same category all you want, but scripturaly, they aren't.

funkstrat 97,

The comment in bold was directed to the board.  Not you.

[fmason3]

I'll be back....LOL