Gay Marriage

[gtrdave]

Does it really matter which sin is supposedly "worse" than others?
Honestly, does it matter?
1 Corinthians 6:9 makes it clear that neither homosexuals nor adulterers nor thieves, etc...will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In that regard, sin IS sin. You ain't getting into Heaven. Does it matter the level that you don't get in?
No.

[Loopy]

You can't use scripture to condone sin.  They must stop sinning inoder to before given.  Jesus Christ died to make it available for us  to CHOOSE whether or not we want to acknowlege that he died on the Cross for our sins and then turn away from sin and not do it anymore.

OK, I'm assuming that for the part in bold, what you meant to say was: "They must stop sinning in order to be forgiven"[/size]. Either way, that is VERY unbiblical. The Bible does not say that "if we stop sinning He is faithful and just to forgive us". Just thought I'd throw that $0.02 in.

[COGIC4REAL]

OK, I'm assuming that for the part in bold, what you meant to say was: "They must stop sinning in order to be forgiven"[/size]. Either way, that is VERY unbiblical. The Bible does not say that "if we stop sinning He is faithful and just to forgive us". Just thought I'd throw that $0.02 in.

*adding $0.23 to it to make a full quarter*

[Loopy]

*adding $0.23 to it to make a full quarter*

Thank ya, suh!! Now I can go buy a pack of Now & Later's! 

[themidiroom]

It will impact it adversely because our kids will see a man/man or woman/woman marriage as 'normal' and legal long before they're old enough to read where God says it's not right.

To a young, impressionable child, LEGAL means RIGHT.  It may not affect us much now, but in the future the legalization of such foolishness will only corrupt and corrode the corridors of impressionable minds.


In other words.....


I don't like it.  It ain't right.  LOL!!!!!

It's not illegal to tell a lie but children learn at an early age that it's wrong.  That's what parents are for.  We all see some sort of gay or seemingly gay activities out there.  You teach your kids what's right and wrong and move on with your lives.

[COGIC4REAL]

It's not illegal to tell a lie but children learn at an early age that it's wrong.  That's what parents are for.  We all see some sort of gay or seemingly gay activities out there.  You teach your kids what's right and wrong and move on with your lives.

I don't like it.  It ain't right! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sjonathan02]

It's not illegal to tell a lie but children learn at an early age that it's wrong.  That's what parents are for.  We all see some sort of gay or seemingly gay activities out there.  You teach your kids what's right and wrong and move on with your lives.

Yes and no. You don't stop praying for your kids to do right consistently.

You continue to teach your children to make the best choice possible in all situations.


God simply takes that to another level with His word.

[themidiroom]

I don't like it.  It ain't right! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's it time for your organ lesson?   LOL

[COGIC4REAL]

It's it time for your organ lesson?   LOL

One hour and thirty minutes to go.  On pins!!!  Got my keys wrapped around my finger as I type.  GEEKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(btw....my lesson is only 45 minutes, so I hope you're available to answer questions when I get home....LOL!!!!)

[themidiroom]

One hour and thirty minutes to go.  On pins!!!  Got my keys wrapped around my finger as I type.  GEEKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(btw....my lesson is only 45 minutes, so I hope you're available to answer questions when I get home....LOL!!!!)

I'm not an organist.  I just play one on TV.

[Loopy]

Homosexuality is the sin that caused God to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah. 

It's also the sin noted to be an abomination.

So yes, some sins are greater than others. 

You can try to put fornicators and homosexuals in the same category all you want, but scripturaly, they aren't.

Um, what about pork and shellfish???

Also, here is a list of sins that are an "abomination":

idolatry or idols (Deuteronomy 7:25, Deuteronomy 13:14, (Isaiah 44:19)
illicit sex (Ezekiel 16:22,58, Ezekiel 22:11, Ezekiel 33:26)
illicit marriage (Deuteronomy 24:2-4)
male homosexual and (collectively) heterosexual immorality (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 18:27-30, Leviticus 20:13
temple prostitution (1Kings 14:24)
offerings from the above (Deuteronomy 23:18)
child sacrifice (Jeremiah 32:35)
cross-dressing (Deuteronomy 22:5)
cheating in the market by using rigged weights (Deuteronomy 25:13-19, Proverbs 11:1)
dishonesty (Proverbs 12:22)
dietary violations (Deuteronomy 14:3)
stealing, murder, and adultery, breaking covenants, (Jeremiah 7:9,10
violent robbery, murder, oppressing the poor and needy, etc. (Ezekiel 18:10-13)

Homosexuality is NOT the only one.

[Incognegro]

Does it really matter which sin is supposedly "worse" than others?Honestly, does it matter?
1 Corinthians 6:9 makes it clear that neither homosexuals nor adulterers nor thieves, etc...will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In that regard, sin IS sin. You ain't getting into Heaven. Does it matter the level that you don't get in?
No.

The scripture you cite notes that regardless of what sin you commit, if you don't repent, you're going to hell.

My point was that all sin are not equal.  Yes, all sin is wrong.  That's not disputed.

But God Himself judged on the severity of the sin, so clearly they are not all equal.  That's scripture.

[COGIC4REAL]

*white cheddar please*

[berbie]

I have always thought that homosexuals were born homosexuals, and would always be. To ask an homosexual to stop seeing men is the same as asking a straight man to stop seeing women. It is not going to happen.  I think you get into an excercise in futility when you try to make homosexuals straight as you often get other people hurt.(wives, children etc.). I don't put people in heaven or hell.  I can't see what is in their heads or their hearts.  I leave that to God. If your son or daughter, grandaughter etc. were homosexual, would you turn your back on them? Would you shun or isolate them?

It is hard for me to see gay marriage, though.  Gays can't have children together and that is an assumed part of the institution of marriage. I also feel that it sends too many messages to too many segments even to the extent of encourgaging gay behavior in those who are not gay.(hero worship, role model influence) 

I have enough on my plate to ask God for forgiveness for.  I just ain't looking at anybody else. My thoughts, though, lead me to believe that legalized gay marriage is not a good thing.

To those who pray to God in their weaknesses, gay or straight, and ask for strength to endure the things that in all their efforts they can't overcome,
I believe that God will answer.

berbie



 

[THE WOLFMAN]

cross-dressing (Deuteronomy 22:5)
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I knew it.

Tyler Perry is goin ta hell.

[gtrdave]

I have always thought that homosexuals were born homosexuals, and would always be. To ask an homosexual to stop seeing men is the same as asking a straight man to stop seeing women. It is not going to happen.  I think you get into an excercise in futility when you try to make homosexuals straight as you often get other people hurt.(wives, children etc.). I don't put people in heaven or hell.  I can't see what is in their heads or their hearts.  I leave that to God. If your son or daughter, grandaughter etc. were homosexual, would you turn your back on them? Would you shun or isolate them?

It is hard for me to see gay marriage, though.  Gays can't have children together and that is an assumed part of the institution of marriage. I also feel that it sends too many messages to too many segments even to the extent of encourgaging gay behavior in those who are not gay.(hero worship, role model influence) 

I have enough on my plate to ask God for forgiveness for.  I just ain't looking at anybody else. My thoughts, though, lead me to believe that legalized gay marriage is not a good thing.

To those who pray to God in their weaknesses, gay or straight, and ask for strength to endure the things that in all their efforts they can't overcome,
I believe that God will answer.

berbie

I'm glad that you brought this up.
There are those who approach homosexuality and the "cause" of it from 2 different directions:
Some believe, without conclusive evidence, that homosexuality is somehow inherent in one's DNA and that those folks do not choose to be gay; they just are and we should not deny them the chance to be who they are.
What gets ignored in this way of thinking is that there is also other similar inconclusive evidence that people who grow up to be serial rapists or habitual liars or have a fascination with the color mauve also have those traits inherent in their DNA, and, so, if you're going to allow the gays to be gay then you gotta allow the rapists to be rapists and the liars to be liars and the mauve lovers to go on loving mauve.
If it's how they're made, who are we to deny them that natural right?

Others believe that because homosexuality is somewhat "natural" in the animal kingdom and we, being nothing more than a smarter form of animal, should be allowed to practice that which is 'normal' for our furrier and less civilized planet dwellers.
Again, ignored in this line of thought is the fact that things like regurgitation, eating of young, eating feces, family and pack murder and other not-so-civilized behaviors are also somewhat 'normal' in the animal kingdom, and if you're going to allow one behavior, why not open the floodgates to the rest?

As far as the DNA argument goes, I can see God in that. Our DNA is our code and if it's found that in our code is the "natural" leaning to do bad things, that would line up perfectly with Scripture: "all have sinned..." and all science did was reveal what God already created, but we'll have to wait a while for this evidence as it's still very young.

As far as the animal argument goes, I got nothing.

I just wanted to toss these thoughts out there and add to the pile. 

[Loopy]

I knew it.

Tyler Perry is goin ta hell.

 

[sjonathan02]

I'm glad that you brought this up.
There are those who approach homosexuality and the "cause" of it from 2 different directions:
Some believe, without conclusive evidence, that homosexuality is somehow inherent in one's DNA and that those folks do not choose to be gay; they just are and we should not deny them the chance to be who they are.
What gets ignored in this way of thinking is that there is also other similar inconclusive evidence that people who grow up to be serial rapists or habitual liars or have a fascination with the color mauve also have those traits inherent in their DNA, and, so, if you're going to allow the gays to be gay then you gotta allow the rapists to be rapists and the liars to be liars and the mauve lovers to go on loving mauve.
If it's how they're made, who are we to deny them that natural right?

Others believe that because homosexuality is somewhat "natural" in the animal kingdom and we, being nothing more than a smarter form of animal, should be allowed to practice that which is 'normal' for our furrier and less civilized planet dwellers.
Again, ignored in this line of thought is the fact that things like regurgitation, eating of young, eating feces, family and pack murder and other not-so-civilized behaviors are also somewhat 'normal' in the animal kingdom, and if you're going to allow one behavior, why not open the floodgates to the rest?

As far as the DNA argument goes, I can see God in that. Our DNA is our code and if it's found that in our code is the "natural" leaning to do bad things, that would line up perfectly with Scripture: "all have sinned..." and all science did was reveal what God already created, but we'll have to wait a while for this evidence as it's still very young.

As far as the animal argument goes, I got nothing.

I just wanted to toss these thoughts out there and add to the pile. 

 

[Loopy]

I'm glad that you brought this up.
There are those who approach homosexuality and the "cause" of it from 2 different directions:
Some believe, without conclusive evidence, that homosexuality is somehow inherent in one's DNA and that those folks do not choose to be gay; they just are and we should not deny them the chance to be who they are.
What gets ignored in this way of thinking is that there is also other similar inconclusive evidence that people who grow up to be serial rapists or habitual liars or have a fascination with the color mauve also have those traits inherent in their DNA, and, so, if you're going to allow the gays to be gay then you gotta allow the rapists to be rapists and the liars to be liars and the mauve lovers to go on loving mauve.
If it's how they're made, who are we to deny them that natural right?

I get your point here, Dave, as this argument has been made before on both sides, but from a purely common sense standpoint, you can't surely believe that choosing to rape someone (non-consensual, illegal forced sex/violence/assault) is the same as consentual relations between adults? It can be viewed as apples and oranges. (I know the BIBLICAL standpoint, but as LaRue pointed out earlier, everyone does not believe in the Bible, nor are they required to by law, and even those who believe in it can't agree on certain interpretations).

Also, if someone LOVES the color mauve, but the majority of people in the world hate it, should the color mauve and the use thereof be outlawed, or should the mauve-lovers be allowed to live in peace, as long as they aren't going around a spray-painting everybody's houses?

[themidiroom]

Also, if someone LOVES the color mauve, but the majority of people in the world hate it, should the color mauve and the use thereof be outlawed, or should the mauve-lovers be allowed to live in peace, as long as they aren't going around a spray-painting everybody's houses?

Hmmm good point.  Funny thing about free will.  Some folks will just have to agree to disagree.