Topic: Gay Marriage (Read 51904 times)

BBoy · « **Reply #220 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:00:40 PM »

Oh, I understand the discussion.

My point is that as a Christian, I know that the Bible is right. It's not just right for us Christians, it is right for everyone. It says that homosexuality is wrong, so how can I as a Christian condone the passing of a bill that allows it to be recognize these arrangements as legal?

Again, I have to go to the Scripture that says righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

And this is a point we don't talk about much, but the Bible does say that the law (meaning the law of the Scripture) indeed has a purpose. It is given to people to stop every mouth and to bring us to Christ. It doesn't save us because it can't, we are unable to keep the law. When GOD saved us, HE made us completely new, and we who are saved have the law written on our hearts by The Holy Spirit. But when we try to offer grace to a sinner without him or her understanding that they are in need of a Savior because they stand condemned by the law, we help to confuse them.

BBoy

Incognegro · « **Reply #221 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:06:05 PM »

Quote from: BBoy on May 27, 2009, 06:00:40 PM

Oh, I understand the discussion.

My point is that as a Christian, I know that the Bible is right. It's not just right for us Christians, it is right for everyone. It says that homosexuality is wrong, so how can I as a Christian condone the passing of a bill that allows it to be recognize these arrangements as legal?

Again, I have to go to the Scripture that says righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

And this is a point we don't talk about much, but the Bible does say that the law (meaning the law of the Scripture) indeed has a purpose. It is given to people to stop every mouth and to bring us to Christ. It doesn't save us because it can't, we are unable to keep the law. When GOD saved us, HE made us completely new, and we who are saved have the law written on our hearts by The Holy Spirit. But when we try to offer grace to a sinner without him or her understanding that they are in need of a Savior because they stand condemned by the law, we help to confuse them.

BBoy

Finally, the reinforcements have arrived.

Where you been!?!?

Loopy · « **Reply #222 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:10:30 PM »

Quote from: BBoy on May 27, 2009, 06:00:40 PM

Oh, I understand the discussion.

My point is that as a Christian, I know that the Bible is right. It's not just right for us Christians, it is right for everyone. It says that homosexuality is wrong, so how can I as a Christian condone the passing of a bill that allows it to be recognize these arrangements as legal?

I understand what you're saying, but since the Bible is right for EVERYONE and the way to "keep people in line" or "lead them to Christ" is through legislation, should we arrest people who don't go to church, are not Christian, or attend Mosques, are Bhuddists, or "new age", since they are "worshipping other Gods?? Should we reinstate prohibition? Should we make pre-marital sex of any kind a felony? I'm not saying we should support gay marriage, but some seem to suggest that homosexuality should be made illegal in all circumstances, and that's just not practical. Oh and BTW abortion is legal also, and that's not likely to change either.

funkStrat_97 · « **Reply #223 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:51:46 PM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 27, 2009, 05:55:07 PM

Homosexuals getting married will lead to homosexuality becoming even more mainstream than it is now.

That is a valid reason why we, as christians, should oppose homosexuals shouldn't get married.

There are zero reasons why we, as christians, would be better served to keep our mouths shut.

But even witin Christianity (and even other religins), there is a minority faction that has embraced homosexuality and even have congregations that are predominantly gay! As far as legalizing gay marriage making it more "acceptable"; I don't know. It may encourage gays who are still in the closet to come out - perhaps breaking up some sham marriages inthe process - but I doubt that we'll see an epidemic of gays suddenly popping up.

malthumb · « **Reply #224 on:** May 27, 2009, 07:53:55 PM »

Quote from: Loopy on May 27, 2009, 05:42:53 PM

....I don't recall anyone here suggesting that homosexuality was not a sin. But there are many, MANY other sins that are not ILLEGAL, and the point is that there are times when you are not going to be able to apply your religious views to the rule of law. This is one of them. There are people who believe with ALL THEIR HEATRS that the mixing of the races is SINFUL, and they teach and preach against it in their homes and churches. It is their RIGHT to hold those views, and to teach their children likewise, but they cannot force those views upon the rest of society.

I also seriously doubt that anyone who is homosexual is that way because their parents and churches didn't "speak out against it enough". Why do you think that the churches that are the most "anti-gay" have the MOST homosexuals?

Loopy,

You are straight up making the point I've been tryin' to make for the length of this thread.

The issue that funkStrat posted aboutis an L-A-W being considered and whether that would have an impact on anyone's marriage. It wasn't a question about whether or not homosexuality is a sin or why Sodom and Gomorrah were vaporized. Those are all issues of faith. The original question was a question of law.

But it's all good. The whole discussion has been educational and at times entertaining.

pastor rob · « **Reply #225 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:42:44 PM »

Quote from: brutha28 on May 27, 2009, 01:29:42 PM

Ok so answer this question straight up. If sin is sin and homosexuality is just as worse as anyother sin then why is it the ONLY scripture in the bible that references God's destruction of it by FIRE and BRIMSTONE? Not only that but he told the folks that was leavin from that place not even to look back upon it unless they were consumed by it and turned to a pillar of salt???? You got any ideas. God should have been a loving God and just turned his head and let them run there course and eventually things would turn around. NOPE. God knew the spirit of that demon was strong and there was NO HOPE. He didn't find the equivalent number of people needed to prevent it from is destruction. So it lets me know that yes there may have been other sins going on but for some reason the author chose to focus on the homosexuality sins. That is the ultimate reference we can have for dealing with this demon. The demon of homosexuality is strong. Some sins are not as strong as others in terms of demonic presence. Have you ever seen a preacher struggle with casting out the spirit of a homosexual individual. You seen anybody just come through the altar and be completely changed? I haven't. Usually they still have battles but if they continue to walk in Godliness they are able to defeat it.

the destruction of s/g went deeper then homosexual acts. it was also about a city where no one was obedient to God. this isn't the only time in the bible where God destroyed nations for disobeying him. lot's wife disobeyed and suffered for it.

to say there is no hope is to say there is no God! the bible says the only sin that won't be judged is lying. and the only sin that want be forgiven is the blaspheming of the holy ghost.

and yes, i have seen people get delivered from strongholds right away and live saved. lastly, i don't know your heart, but your post read with what seems like hatred for those who are gay. you will never reach one if you can't touch them.

under13 · « **Reply #226 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:47:59 PM »

Yall are sooo entertaining

THE WOLFMAN · « **Reply #227 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:18:46 PM »

Quote from: BBoy on May 27, 2009, 05:33:04 PM

The color mauve isn't a sin.

Mebbe, but knowing what 'mauve' is and using it in a sentence is a ManLaw violation......

themidiroom · « **Reply #228 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:29:56 PM »

We all know Christians can't discuss anything with gay in it without going back to ~~is it right or wrong~~ how wrong is it.

themidiroom · « **Reply #229 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:33:42 PM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 27, 2009, 05:55:07 PM

Homosexuals getting married will lead to homosexuality becoming even more mainstream than it is now.

I don't buy that.
Gay guy or girl: Well I thought about being gay but naaaah because I can't get married. Oh shucks guess I'll just stay str8 until the laws change.

malthumb · « **Reply #230 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:41:44 PM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 27, 2009, 05:55:07 PM

Homosexuals getting married will lead to homosexuality becoming even more mainstream than it is now.

Naw.....I disagree. Hollywood, talk shows, and pop music will do that regardless of whether same-sex marriage is legal or illegal.

Quote from: Incognegro on May 27, 2009, 05:55:07 PM

There are zero reasons why we, as christians, would be better served to keep our mouths shut.

No argument there. Those Christians who want to speak out against it, should. Those who choose not to, that's their choice.

COGIC4REAL · « **Reply #231 on:** May 28, 2009, 12:55:28 AM »

Quote from: themidiroom on May 27, 2009, 09:33:42 PM

I don't buy that.
Gay guy or girl: Well I thought about being gay but naaaah because I can't get married. Oh shucks guess I'll just stay str8 until the laws change.

Uh...thanks for making me bust a gut and hurt myself, laughing to the point of TEARS at the visual of this.

Some brother you are! LOL!!!

Incognegro · « **Reply #232 on:** May 28, 2009, 08:08:42 AM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 27, 2009, 05:55:07 PM

Homosexuals getting married will lead to homosexuality becoming even more mainstream than it is now.

Quote from: malthumb on May 27, 2009, 09:41:44 PM

Naw.....I disagree. Hollywood, talk shows, and pop music will do that regardless of whether same-sex marriage is legal or illegal.

I didn't say it would make homosexuality mainstream...it's already mainstream (as you pointed out). It would make it MORE mainstream. It would erase one more difference between straight and gay couples.

Quote from: themidiroom on May 27, 2009, 09:33:42 PM

I don't buy that.
Gay guy or girl: Well I thought about being gay but naaaah because I can't get married. Oh shucks guess I'll just stay str8 until the laws change.

I didn't say it would make more people gay.

I said homosexuality would become more mainstream. Two different things.

themidiroom · « **Reply #233 on:** May 28, 2009, 08:22:48 AM »

Quote from: Incognegro on May 28, 2009, 08:08:42 AM

I didn't say it would make more people gay. I said homosexuality would become more mainstream. Two different things.

Cool. You win! Herman, hope you didn't hurt yourself with all that laughter.

Incognegro · « **Reply #234 on:** May 28, 2009, 08:34:59 AM »

Quote from: themidiroom on May 28, 2009, 08:22:48 AM

Cool. You win! Herman, hope you didn't hurt yourself with all that laughter.

Darn right I win.

Tiptip357 · « **Reply #235 on:** May 28, 2009, 08:36:14 AM »

I told myself that I would stay out of conversations where the topic includes words like "gay...abortion...tonex..."

...so I'll just watch and sit close to the emergency exit...

Loopy · « **Reply #236 on:** May 28, 2009, 08:40:31 AM »

Quote from: themidiroom on May 27, 2009, 09:33:42 PM

I don't buy that.
Gay guy or girl: Well I thought about being gay but naaaah because I can't get married. Oh shucks guess I'll just stay str8 until the laws change.

HILL-LARRY-US!!

Quote from: Incognegro on May 28, 2009, 08:34:59 AM