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I was doing some reflecting on my walk with the lord and I paused when I came to my giving.
I noticed that I usually don't give my offering (I know, I am cursed with a curse...). Let me explain. On Sunday morning I prepare my tithe and offering envelopes during Sunday school and put them in my bible. During the prayer over the offering, I take said envelopes out and place them on top of the organ, nodding to a deacon, usher, my sister, or to anybody who's not praying and just looking around haphazardly.  They nod back, knowing what the deal is. After the prayer, we jam and I become totally oblivious to the fact that my envelopes are still on the organ until after the preached word. I end up giving after the service however, it does not feel the same as being part of the group experience. Weeknight services are even worse. Since there are no envelopes on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday nights, I have to put cash on the organ. Whether the spirit gets high or I don't communicate well enough, the money is still there after service. When I see it I begin to realize that I need gas, or my daughter needs some new ballet slippers and before I know it, my money is back in my wallet/pocket.
I want to give at the same as everybody else, but I don't want to risk missing my blessing by any means.

Has anybody had this dilemma? If so, can you share your recipe of how you got through, that I may also taste the fruits of victory.

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 08:28:41 AM »
First NJC3;you might want to search the Tithe threads.To be brutally honest;sounds like you have received some BADDDDDDDDD teaching and living in some bondage.There is SCRIPTURAL basis for offerings-the tithe being OLD TESTAMENT LAW-while we live under GRACE.The  church DOES merit financial support,but not at the levels some of these jokers demand;limos,penthouses,jets,etc.They have esteemed their value and visions ABOVE in many cases what JESUS says/said.does/did.

This distracts from the many true folks who are doing will/work  of the FATHER.LORD is NOT about buildings and programs-HE's about building up People-HIS FLOCK.

Here's the order of responsibility


LORD;and your walk with HIM

Family

everything/anything else


YOUR kids need a dress/shoes/food BEFORE anything else!!!!!!!! The EXCEPTION is when the LORD specifically TELLS you to sacrificially  give;not when some fool tries to guilt you into it.Seems like LORD (according to some of these jokers); is Always telling you to give-but They NEVER hear that word.If they do;they do a special collection,take more of you money-then pass Some of it on.(maybe)

btw  what are these deacons doing"with a knowing look" while prayer is going on?maybe they should be praying ,too?

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 11:26:23 AM »
Yes, I've forgotten to pay my tithes like ONCE back during my sophomore year of college.  It was SOOO unintentional.  I don't know what happened.  I just know that all of my money was gone like the wind very shortly thereafter.

To be brutally honest;sounds like you have received some BADDDDDDDDD teaching and living in some bondage.There is SCRIPTURAL basis for offerings-the tithe being OLD TESTAMENT LAW-while we live under GRACE.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 11:40:28 AM »
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.


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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 12:15:02 PM »
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

In the old testament the law wasn't fulfilled.  The people had to live by the law.  When they sinned they had to use goats and lambs to cover, not take away, their sins.  When Jesus came He fulfilled the law so now we don't have to.  We don't need to give animal sacrifices to cover our sins because Jesus took them all away.  Jesus' coming was God showing us grace so we are under grace, not the law.  Those who are not saved are under the law.

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 12:18:32 PM »
wow! at a post

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 12:24:08 PM »
In the old testament the law wasn't fulfilled.  The people had to live by the law.  When they sinned they had to use goats and lambs to cover, not take away, their sins.  When Jesus came He fulfilled the law so now we don't have to.  We don't need to give animal sacrifices to cover our sins because Jesus took them all away.  Jesus' coming was God showing us grace so we are under grace, not the law.  Those who are not saved are under the law.

Yeah I know all of that.  I was talking with respect to tithing.

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 12:29:32 PM »
I end up giving after the service however, it does not feel the same as being part of the group experience.

I understand, but the point is you gave.  Whether you give it after church or if you have someone do it during offering for you you're still not really a part of the group experience since you don't get up and walk around.  At the same token you are a part of the group experience whether you give it after church or not because you are playing music for the congregants to march to.  God doesn't care when you give.  The first part of Malachi 3:10 says, "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse..." not "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse during offering time or else I, the Lord your God, won't accept it."  The attitude towards giving should be that found in 2 Corinthians 9:7, "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

Since there are no envelopes on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday nights, I have to put cash on the organ. Whether the spirit gets high or I don't communicate well enough, the money is still there after service. When I see it I begin to realize that I need gas, or my daughter needs some new ballet slippers and before I know it, my money is back in my wallet/pocket.
I want to give at the same as everybody else, but I don't want to risk missing my blessing by any means.

I do forget to bring my tithes and offering to church at times.  I don't fret, I just bring it to church the next Sunday.  Whatever money I lay aide for that purpose I don't use for anything else.  Ok, I lied by accident.  There was one time where I needed some money and I used it,  but right after I used it I went to the bank and replaced it.

For both of us it would seem that we would need to better manage our money so we're not cutting it so close.  I know I need to.  Idk about you but I suck at finding bargains and things of that nature that would help me save money. I take out a certain amount of money out of my paycheck for emergencies because I know I can get careless with my account and I'll turn around an need money.  Had that emergency money been in the bank it would have probably been used up too.  :-\ 

I hope this helps.

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 12:30:04 PM »
I have unintentionaly not given b4, but that was only cuz I forgot. However, the money eventually made its way into the collection plate. I didn't take it back and spend it on something else cuz its original purpose was for tithe and/or offereing.

First NJC3;you might want to search the Tithe threads.To be brutally honest;sounds like you have received some BADDDDDDDDD teaching and living in some bondage.There is SCRIPTURAL basis for offerings-the tithe being OLD TESTAMENT LAW-while we live under GRACE.

Sorry to burst ur bubble, but tithing is also in the New Testament as well. ;)
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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 12:31:14 PM »
Sorry to burst ur bubble, but tithing is also in the New Testament as well. ;)
your burst would've been so much better with scripture ;)

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 12:33:03 PM »
Yeah I know all of that.  I was talking with respect to tithing.


 :-[  Oh.

Welp I guess I'm still the owl to the right.  Lol!  :D

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 12:33:43 PM »
your burst would've been so much better with scripture ;)


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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 12:36:31 PM »
your burst would've been so much better with scripture ;)

Ur right. :-[

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 12:38:16 PM »
:-[  Oh.

Welp I guess I'm still the owl to the right.  Lol!  :D




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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 12:40:54 PM »
Tithing was instituted before the law.  Everything in the old testament isn't law.   

Yes I have not paid my tithes from time to time over the years.  In every case I paid the price for not doing so.  I pray God your brother has learned his lesson.  ;D ;D

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 12:52:22 PM »
Sorry to burst ur bubble, but tithing is also in the New Testament as well. ;)

Correct

your burst would've been so much better with scripture ;)

Exactly!  But very few people use much of that around here anyways.  :D

Here are a few points:

"Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?"  (1 Cor. 9:13)   In that verse, Paul is talking about how the priests of the Old Testament made a living.    Let's go to the O.T. to see exactly how that was.  "And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation." (Num. 18:21)  When the children of Israel paid their tithes, it was in obedience to go and it went to support the priests who ministered in the temple.  Paul then says in 1 Cor. 9:14 that "Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel."  That is the purpose of tithe dollars. 

Another thing is that God is the Lawmaker, not Paul or anyone else.  So just because something isn't explicitly restated in the last few books of the bible does not mean it is null and void.  A lot of the commandments are restated after the ascension of Christ.  (Rom. 13:9)  But just because all aren't "thou shalt not"-ed doesn't mean they aren't still in effect.  Actually the lack of heavy mention of something in the new testament actually means there was less contention over that topic.  They didn't argue over tithing, homosexuality, the Sabbath and other things.  Those things are addressed.  But the early Jewish Christians probably didn't have any beef about it like they did about circumcision.  (Acts 15)

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 01:03:34 PM »
Tithing was instituted before the law.  Everything in the old testament isn't law.   

I agree.  Not everything in the "old testament" section of the bible is "law."  But a lot of times the old testament-ness of something is an easy way for people to throw away something with which they'd rather not deal.  Furthermore, not every law of the "old testament" was "discarded."  Just the ceremonial law (the killing of lambs and such) which pointed to the ministry of Jesus (1 Cor. 5:7, 1 Pet. 1:19).  The ten commandments is just as valid as the day that God wrote them on stone with His finger.  They were just as valid the day before he wrote them and the day after Jesus died.


Usually people cite Mal. 3:8-10 as grounds for tithing.  But Abraham paid his tithes hundreds of years before Malachi was born. (Gen. 14:20/Heb. 7:2)


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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2009, 01:06:48 PM »
I agree.  Not everything in the "old testament" section of the bible is "law."  But a lot of times the old testament-ness of something is an easy way for people to throw away something with which they'd rather not deal.  Furthermore, not every law of the "old testament" was "discarded."  Just the ceremonial law (the killing of lambs and such) which pointed to the ministry of Jesus (1 Cor. 5:7, 1 Pet. 1:19).  The ten commandments is just as valid as the day that God wrote them on stone with His finger.  They were just as valid the day before he wrote them and the day after Jesus died.


Usually people cite Mal. 3:8-10 as grounds for tithing.  But Abraham paid his tithes hundreds of years before Malachi was born. (Gen. 14:20/Heb. 7:2)

That'll preach, especially that 1st part. I get leary of people who only go by the New Testament and want to disregard the Old Testament. The whole bible is God's word, so why throw out any of it?
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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2009, 01:34:42 PM »
That'll preach, especially that 1st part. I get leary of people who only go by the New Testament and want to disregard the Old Testament. The whole bible is God's word, so why throw out any of it?

I could go off on a-whole-nother tangent there.  I may have to start a discussion on just that.  ;)

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Re: Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2009, 02:07:04 PM »
Tithing was instituted before the law.  Everything in the old testament isn't law.   


My goodness, thank you so much for saying that!!!!


Usually people cite Mal. 3:8-10 as grounds for tithing.  But Abraham paid his tithes hundreds of years before Malachi was born. (Gen. 14:20/Heb. 7:2)

And thank you for pointing that out.
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