Have you ever unintentionaly not given your tithes/offering?

[LaylaMonroe]

I forgot to answer the question.

No, I can't remember ever UNintentionally failing to give my tithe/offering.  I'm a giver, and I tend to get very excited at giving time, so it's hard for me to forget.  There have been a time or two when I was working in the office during giving time, or caught up in the spirit or something like that.  In those cases, I just give when service is over. 

However, in times past, I've intentionally failed to give tithes (maybe offering, too) for one reason or another (either didn't have an offering to give, or didn't have the faith to give tithes during a rough time, or was irresponsible and spent my money before church time, or something like that).

Oh wait, there have been a few times where I've forgotten my checkbook at home.  I've done that more than once or twice.  But like I said, I'm a giver, so I'll either go get it, bring it to night service, or borrow it from someone else.

[nessalynn77]

Tithing was instituted before the law.  Everything in the old testament isn't law.   

Yes I have not paid my tithes from time to time over the years.  In every case I paid the price for not doing so.  I pray God your brother has learned his lesson. 

There you go!  That and T-Block's reference should wrap it up nicely.

[docjohn]

What I was trying to point out to NJC3, is what to me is an OVER -emphasis of $$$$$$$$$ by many preachers.Like you can BUY GOD off with a FEW scheckels;I thing FURIOUS STYLES pointed this out in a post titled "tithing curses" awhile back.In effect,men want to bring up and out a dollar amount;they trust more in greenbacks in many cases.

This point doesn't remove or negate the Old Tesatament,In fact;JESUS EXTENDED the Law by fulfilling it!!!!!! Remember;HE said "no new commandments  do I give;just 2 -love GOD,love one another". JESUS talked about the "LAW" of PERFECT LOVE which gives AND requires more.

IMO -too many people are burdened with filling the jots and tittles;like the pharisees who RELIGIOUSLY gave their 10% of EVERY mint leave;etc(and imposed their intrepretation) on everybody.JESUS mocks this with the widow giving her 2 pennies,they gave out of abundance and duty;she out of love.It was all she had!..

That,s the point-JESUS wants you;your WHOLE essence;NOT your money.(besides it's HIS money on loan).He wants a LOT more -because HE wants to GIVE a lot more,and HE deals in the UNCORRUPT things;not those that are fading away to be eaten by moths and cankerworms.

[fmason3]

What I was trying to point out to NJC3, is what to me is an OVER -emphasis of $$$$$$$$$ by many preachers.Like you can BUY GOD off with a FEW scheckels;I thing FURIOUS STYLES pointed this out in a post titled "tithing curses" awhile back.In effect,men want to bring up and out a dollar amount;they trust more in greenbacks in many cases.

This point doesn't remove or negate the Old Tesatament,In fact;JESUS EXTENDED the Law by fulfilling it!!!!!! Remember;HE said "no new commandments  do I give;just 2 -love GOD,love one another". JESUS talked about the "LAW" of PERFECT LOVE which gives AND requires more.

IMO -too many people are burdened with filling the jots and tittles;like the pharisees who RELIGIOUSLY gave their 10% of EVERY mint leave;etc(and imposed their intrepretation) on everybody.JESUS mocks this with the widow giving her 2 pennies,they gave out of abundance and duty;she out of love.It was all she had!..

That,s the point-JESUS wants you;your WHOLE essence;NOT your money.(besides it's HIS money on loan).He wants a LOT more -because HE wants to GIVE a lot more,and HE deals in the UNCORRUPT things;not those that are fading away to be eaten by moths and cankerworms.

Okay good.  You had me scared there for a minute 

[nessalynn77]

What I was trying to point out to NJC3, is what to me is an OVER -emphasis of $$$$$$$$$ by many preachers.Like you can BUY GOD off with a FEW scheckels;I thing FURIOUS STYLES pointed this out in a post titled "tithing curses" awhile back.In effect,men want to bring up and out a dollar amount;they trust more in greenbacks in many cases.

This point doesn't remove or negate the Old Tesatament,In fact;JESUS EXTENDED the Law by fulfilling it!!!!!! Remember;HE said "no new commandments  do I give;just 2 -love GOD,love one another". JESUS talked about the "LAW" of PERFECT LOVE which gives AND requires more.

IMO -too many people are burdened with filling the jots and tittles;like the pharisees who RELIGIOUSLY gave their 10% of EVERY mint leave;etc(and imposed their intrepretation) on everybody.JESUS mocks this with the widow giving her 2 pennies,they gave out of abundance and duty;she out of love.It was all she had!..

That,s the point-JESUS wants you;your WHOLE essence;NOT your money.(besides it's HIS money on loan).He wants a LOT more -because HE wants to GIVE a lot more,and HE deals in the UNCORRUPT things;not those that are fading away to be eaten by moths and cankerworms.

All that's fine and good, but when you insinuate that tithing is not a part of the package of what God requires, that's an erroneous teaching.  It could lead someone astray.

[sjonathan02]

Okay good.  You had me scared there for a minute 

You scare easy. 

[LaylaMonroe]

All that's fine and good, but when you insinuate that tithing is not a part of the package of what God requires, that's an erroneous teaching.  It could lead someone astray.

I agree.

Though I know quite a few people who hold that belief, I consider it erroneous, so I'm concerned as well.

[BigFoot_BigThumb]

I have never done this myself, but I know of a local Bishop that was formerly married to a very famous singer.  In one of his sermons, in lieu of a sermon on God's blessing and prosperity, he spoke of how the engagement ring he bought for his wife costs more than his car.  he was driving a very nice Caddy at the time, and now drives am even nicer Benzo.  The ladies of the church responded to that revelation by withholding their tithes and offerings for a nice bit of time hurting the churches numbers.  I guess they had concern as to where their money was going.  Or could it have been the green-eyed monster rearing it's head?

Of course he kinda always had a bad habit of braggadocio veiled as speaking of God's blessings.  I mean why do you need to show us your Rolex talking about how God has blessed you before you sing at a public event?  I guess I wasn't as blessed because I didn't have one.
 
I might whip this out on him one day if I get it just to see what he says.  Maybe I'll be asked to join his church.

[NuJerC3]

First NJC3;you might want to search the Tithe threads.To be brutally honest;sounds like you have received some BADDDDDDDDD teaching and living in some bondage.

My bad brotha, I didn't mean to rehash an old topic. thanks for the brutality in your answer. Although I completely understood and concurred with what you were saying, I may have been a little unclear in the framing of my thoughts hence the notion that I might be under bad teaching. Please rest assured that the teaching that I am under does not OVER-emphasize money. My problem was really the fact that I wanted to give "in sync" with the congregation.

I understand, but the point is you gave.  Whether you give it after church or if you have someone do it during offering for you you're still not really a part of the group experience since you don't get up and walk around.  At the same token you are a part of the group experience whether you give it after church or not because you are playing music for the congregants to march to.  God doesn't care when you give.  The first part of Malachi 3:10 says, "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse..." not "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse during offering time or else I, the Lord your God, won't accept it." 

For both of us it would seem that we would need to better manage our money so we're not cutting it so close.  I know I need to.  Idk about you but I suck at finding bargains and things of that nature that would help me save money. I take out a certain amount of money out of my paycheck for emergencies because I know I can get careless with my account and I'll turn around an need money.  Had that emergency money been in the bank it would have probably been used up too.   

I hope this helps.

INDEED that did help. It very much solidified my position to give regardless earliness, tardiness, or synchronization with the congregation. I'm cheerful in my giving in any circumstance.

I would also like to add that it is wonderful to fellowship with a group of musicians who know their word. Much Love to all.

[THE WOLFMAN]

seed, time, and harvest.

That's all ima say.

[fmason3]

You scare easy. 

You should know better than that man.

[sjonathan02]

You should know better than that man.

[fmason3]

All that's fine and good, but when you insinuate that tithing is not a part of the package of what God requires, that's an erroneous teaching.  It could lead someone astray.

Far too many people feel that God no longer requires anything.  Because they believe if you "do" something, you are trying to save yourself by your works or something.  That's why people pick and choose what they can/will do...and if they choose not to do something (that God requires...especially if it's outlined in the Old Testament section of the bible) they just say "oh well Jesus fulfilled the law...all I have to do is believe." ....or something 

[B3Wannabe]

While I do believe in paying tithes, I don't think that Matt 22:17-21 is a good supporting scripture. Galations 3 works better. Matthew 5:17, 18 and Romans 10 work good also.

Finally, "fufilled" in this scripture doesn't mean "destory", "end" or "complete". It means more like "verify".

In Romans 10, "end" means "design" or "result".


I just had this discussion with a family member, I invited him to join this discussion. He's on the opposing side. I'm on the defending side, but I also feel that tithes isn't not being used properly in some churches, going to church (building) maintenance and minister's pockets, instead of the people (workers) of the church.

[fmason3]

While I do believe in paying tithes, I don't think that Matt 22:17-21 is a good supporting scripture. Galations 3 works better. Matthew 5:17, 18 and Romans 10 work good also.

Finally, "fufilled" in this scripture doesn't mean "destory", "end" or "complete". It means more like "verify".

In Romans 10, "end" means "design" or "result".


I just had this discussion with a family member, I invited him to join this discussion. He's on the opposing side. I'm on the defending side, but I also feel that tithes isn't not being used properly in some churches, going to church (building) maintenance and minister's pockets, instead of the people (workers) of the church.

Tithe is used improperly in many churches.  The bible tells us how tithes should be used.  I said it before, but I'll say it again.

"Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?"  (1 Cor. 9:13)   In that verse, Paul is talking about how the priests of the Old Testament made a living.    Let's go to the O.T. to see exactly how that was.  "And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation." (Num. 18:21)  When the children of Israel paid their tithes, it was in obedience to go and it went to support the priests who ministered in the temple.  Paul then says in 1 Cor. 9:14 that "Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel."  That is the purpose of tithe dollars. 

I can and will go further if necessary.

[LaylaMonroe]

Tithe is used improperly in many churches.  The bible tells us how tithes should be used.  I said it before, but I'll say it again.

"Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?"  (1 Cor. 9:13)   In that verse, Paul is talking about how the priests of the Old Testament made a living.    Let's go to the O.T. to see exactly how that was.  "And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation." (Num. 18:21)  When the children of Israel paid their tithes, it was in obedience to go and it went to support the priests who ministered in the temple.  Paul then says in 1 Cor. 9:14 that "Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel."  That is the purpose of tithe dollars. 

I can and will go further if necessary.

My pastor and I just had this conversation recently.  Someone made a comment in our presence about how the tithe should be going to him, but because it's such a small church (and due to economic woes), every penny that comes in goes back into ministry one way or another.  He responded with that scripture (Num 18:21) and said that he believes the tithe should be distributed to those Levites who serve in ministry, not just the pastor.  I replied logically (of course), and a spirited conversation ensued.    Let's just say that from an administrative perspective, trying to compensate (or distribute funds to) all those who serve in Levitical ministry is a slippery slope... although I can't argue that it IS Biblical, and that's what counts.

FMason, I have a note in my Bible on I Cor. 9:14, but I can't remember what it is, and I don't have my Bible with me right now.  I'm gonna check it when I get home and get back to you.  My former pastor used that scripture to justify not charging people an honorarium when he was asked to minister at other churches.  He doesn't believe in charging (neither do I); he only requests a love offering at the ministry's discretion).

[kodacolor]

My Final Thought:

You give to whom/what you support.  I believe that God wants me to support the ministry that I'm at so I give.  Besides, the church has bills to pay.  If everyone ops out of tithing for this that and the third then they can kiss their comfy pew goodbye.  Funding for community projects though the church will stop and a bunch of other things too.

I know I don't have to explain this to ya'll cause you already know.  I'm just putting in my 4 hay-pennies.

[docjohn]

FM makes a good point about the levites and those at the altar being compensated.But;in Leviticus(I think-have to look this up) it talks about the priests who WEREN"T satisfied with THEIR portion.They sat around the pot of boiling meat and grabbed what they could.One  of the overwhelming points being made on LGM is the many cases of low/no pay for musicians(modern day levites). I am ALL for supporting "godly" men doing work of the FATHER.The issue for me is "where the hey are these?"

 MOST of what I see in our local churches is a lot of droning on about give,give,give.Like a perpetual TBN gimme-thon;but there's NEVER anything left in the pot.For example;my "home" church wants tithes,offerings,special collections,pastor fund,fix this fund,etc.,etc.,etc.But-do you think they had 2K for a Motif? No;our music MOM had to pony up.But the "big cheese digs the sound,great band,etc., and makes plenty of DEMANDS!  Compensation? ha ha-the MOM makes $50 /week!!!!!!

So,where's the change going for? NOTTTTTTTTTTTT for evangelism,outreach,or missions!!!!!!ALL the money that comes in goes for expenses;the ONLY way anything goes to a particular issue is if it is "dedicated".I have some suspicion of what is "earmarked " is also purloined.

Timothy  addresses as well as JAMES the issue of taking care of the widows and orphans-others that have been faithful or in need.I don't see that happening;what comes in the plate is mainly for the "top dogs".Like in somebody's post about the rolex/ring.TOO  much of that is going on UNCHALLENGED.There's a fellow in Harlem that I see on u-tube;is it ATLAH ministries.Don't know how credible he is,but raises some valid questions.

Lastly;all the rage around here is Dave Ramsey's stuff lfor which they charge $100.00 ;I think in the hopes of "convicting,duping,extracting" THEIR "rightful monies-which is what it seems like they are all about.

Our "evangelism" material consists of a "business"card which talks about church times,"opportunities"-but NOT a word about JESUS!!!!!!!!  Ahem,"leadership " has "it' all fiqured out.However,I think LORD has /is bringing a TON of rebuke on this place.Membership is falling,more they talk about money-less they get,and the "old-line" that has supported the show are leaving.Proff to me"LORD will NOT be mocked".As a result,I'm sitting  out from the band ;at least for the summer.Gonna watch and see what LORD has done.

[phbrown]

WARNING THIS IS AN OLD THREAD

I used to forget then I realized my bank offered bill pay. So I tried it . I entered my church's information and on the first business day after Sunday (normally monday but not always) My church would receive a check in the mail.


Now however I just have my wife take care of it I love my spouse they are great at helping with things like this

[nessalynn77]

WARNING THIS IS AN OLD THREAD

I used to forget then I realized my bank offered bill pay. So I tried it . I entered my church's information and on the first business day after Sunday (normally monday but not always) My church would receive a check in the mail.


Now however I just have my wife take care of it I love my spouse they are great at helping with things like this

What do you be doing searching a year or more back all the time?  Are you that bored with the current threads?