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Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« on: July 01, 2009, 11:48:04 AM »
Naw....that'll be the day!  :D


Anyways, I was doing overdubs yesterday and the sound guy noticed a hum in my guitar amp.  The poked around and to make a long story short he said that the hum is coming from my guitar.  So he said I might wanna invest in better pickups.  The pickups that I have now are stock.

Any suggestions...please... :'(

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 12:17:19 PM »
Naw....that'll be the day!  :D


Anyways, I was doing overdubs yesterday and the sound guy noticed a hum in my guitar amp.  The poked around and to make a long story short he said that the hum is coming from my guitar.  So he said I might wanna invest in better pickups.  The pickups that I have now are stock.

Any suggestions...please... :'(

Whatever.  In many ways, I feel that aftermarket pickups are overated.  Not that there aren't some nice ones out there, but they are no silver bullet.  Take your amp to a real technician and have it checked.  Other than that, it could be worth it to have the guitar's wiring and shielding checked out. 
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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 12:34:10 PM »
i'm the opposite.....i think aftermarket pups are well worth it, and i don't have a guitar i haven't changed pups in, unless they came stock with nicers ones. (like my esp's that came with SD's)

what is your guitar again Gibby??

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 01:45:18 PM »
i'm the opposite.....i think aftermarket pups are well worth it, and i don't have a guitar i haven't changed pups in, unless they came stock with nicers ones. (like my esp's that came with SD's)

what is your guitar again Gibby??

I have a fender strat.  I'm looking around to see if there are noiseless pickups that have a decent tone.  What do you suggest?

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 01:50:10 PM »
BFBT is gonna disappointed when he sees this

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 02:51:10 PM »
Guitar tech is one of my many professions, so here's my thoughts.

Does the hum only come on when you aren't playing? Does the hum go away in positions 2 and 4?
If that's the case, that's the nature of the beast. Single coil pickups hum, and are prone to electrical interference. You can relieve some of this with a different pickup that has better potting and sheilding, but that's not the only way. Some rooms just have a bad electrical environment (eg. fluorescent lights in the circuit) and pickups will hum louder there than other places. For example, I have a killer Tele that sound good in my house, but is extremely noisy at church because of the wiring in the building. In this case, the noise only comes on when I am not playing, so I use a noisegate with the proper threshold to take out the noise in between jams.

The question is, aside from the hum, do you like the tone from your pickups? If you like the sound, then you can figure out ways to reduce hum without swapping pickups. You can shield the guitar and that will reduce electrical interference. Here's an great article about doing that http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php . There's also the noise gate idea too.

Now, if you don't like the tone, there's plenty of humbucking pickup options that will fit in your strat. Each of these pickups have their own tone, so it's a matter of the type of tone you like. If you can give me some idea of the tone you like (hot, fat, vintage, sparkly, etc.), I could give you a recommendation. However, my ears hear a difference between the humbucking and non-humbucking single coils. In one instance, I actually put the humming, noisy single coils back in because I just liked the sound so much that I learned to live with the hum when not playing. I just got into the habit of rolling the volume down between songs.

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 03:38:22 PM »
Guitar tech is one of my many professions, so here's my thoughts.

Does the hum only come on when you aren't playing? Does the hum go away in positions 2 and 4?
If that's the case, that's the nature of the beast. Single coil pickups hum, and are prone to electrical interference. You can relieve some of this with a different pickup that has better potting and sheilding, but that's not the only way. Some rooms just have a bad electrical environment (eg. fluorescent lights in the circuit) and pickups will hum louder there than other places. For example, I have a killer Tele that sound good in my house, but is extremely noisy at church because of the wiring in the building. In this case, the noise only comes on when I am not playing, so I use a noisegate with the proper threshold to take out the noise in between jams.

The question is, aside from the hum, do you like the tone from your pickups? If you like the sound, then you can figure out ways to reduce hum without swapping pickups. You can shield the guitar and that will reduce electrical interference. Here's an great article about doing that http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php . There's also the noise gate idea too.

Now, if you don't like the tone, there's plenty of humbucking pickup options that will fit in your strat. Each of these pickups have their own tone, so it's a matter of the type of tone you like. If you can give me some idea of the tone you like (hot, fat, vintage, sparkly, etc.), I could give you a recommendation. However, my ears hear a difference between the humbucking and non-humbucking single coils. In one instance, I actually put the humming, noisy single coils back in because I just liked the sound so much that I learned to live with the hum when not playing. I just got into the habit of rolling the volume down between songs.



Do you have any experience with one of those Suhr back plates?

http://www.suhrguitars.com/pickups.aspx

It's at the bottom of that page.

I know it's come up here before, but I don't know anyone personally that has actually tried it. I've read good things in reviews, but that's about it.

However, that also goes back to tone... Gib, if you think the tome of your pickups could be improved upon, then it may be more worth it to go with a new set.

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 03:51:31 PM »
Gib, is your strat a standard s-s-s config??

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 04:20:08 PM »
Gib, is your strat a standard s-s-s config??


Yes it is. Any thoughts?

Guitar tech is one of my many professions, so here's my thoughts.

Does the hum only come on when you aren't playing? Does the hum go away in positions 2 and 4?
If that's the case, that's the nature of the beast. Single coil pickups hum, and are prone to electrical interference. You can relieve some of this with a different pickup that has better potting and sheilding, but that's not the only way. Some rooms just have a bad electrical environment (eg. fluorescent lights in the circuit) and pickups will hum louder there than other places. For example, I have a killer Tele that sound good in my house, but is extremely noisy at church because of the wiring in the building. In this case, the noise only comes on when I am not playing, so I use a noisegate with the proper threshold to take out the noise in between jams.

The question is, aside from the hum, do you like the tone from your pickups? If you like the sound, then you can figure out ways to reduce hum without swapping pickups. You can shield the guitar and that will reduce electrical interference. Here's an great article about doing that http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php . There's also the noise gate idea too.

Now, if you don't like the tone, there's plenty of humbucking pickup options that will fit in your strat. Each of these pickups have their own tone, so it's a matter of the type of tone you like. If you can give me some idea of the tone you like (hot, fat, vintage, sparkly, etc.), I could give you a recommendation.


Well my guitar does hum in all the positions.  But you are prolly right about the wiring in the church causing the hum.

As for my tone, I would like a fat tone... :D...I don't know the differences between hot and vintage though and sparkly prolly means rich in the highs.

But what do you recommend?

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 05:26:03 PM »
Yes it is. Any thoughts?

Well my guitar does hum in all the positions.  But you are prolly right about the wiring in the church causing the hum.

As for my tone, I would like a fat tone... :D...I don't know the differences between hot and vintage though and sparkly prolly means rich in the highs.

But what do you recommend?




With noiseless pickups (stacked coil single-coil sized humckers vs. side-by-side single-coil sized humuckers), there is always some debate as to how authentic to true single coils they sound.  Having said that, I'm certain that most of them can't be too far off something that resembles a single coil tone and some will be closer than others.  YMMV, but you may want to try Duncan's STK-4 Classic Stacks.
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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 05:43:36 PM »
BFBT is gonna disappointed when he sees this

Yeah we all wanna see that! LOL!

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 05:47:08 PM »
With noiseless pickups (stacked coil single-coil sized humckers vs. side-by-side single-coil sized humuckers), there is always some debate as to how authentic to true single coils they sound.  Having said that, I'm certain that most of them can't be too far off something that resembles a single coil tone and some will be closer than others.  YMMV, but you may want to try Duncan's STK-4 Classic Stacks.


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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 05:59:23 PM »
                  THAT IS SO COLD

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 08:47:21 PM »
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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »
i have a set of fender SCN I  really like them go to gc and check them out

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 09:52:56 PM »
i have noisless and love-em , try getting ur axe a set up at gc i did he told me my pick-ups were to close to my strings the magnets were constantly pulling on them making them vibrate set ups are about 70 bucks but worth it . ialso have a monster cord , need another one tho :)
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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 10:15:12 PM »
If the church wiring is causing the hum, you may still get it with different pickups. That said, I use the Lace Sensor Chrome Domes. They are very fat sounding, but still sound like a strat and are quiet. In the same church that makes my Tele hum like crazy, these pickups are pretty silent. If you want a more classic strat sound, the Lace Sensor Holy Grails or Lace Sensor Golds can do the trick. The Fender noiseless are OK and they seem to be a little hotter than the stock strat. I heard some good things about the GFS NeoVins which are a bargain if they are what they are cracked up to be. I'm also a fan of the Seymour Duncan Duckbucker, which sounds like a clean strat without the hum.

But honestly, even the best "quiet" pickups sound different than a typical noisy strat single coil. As noisy as my Tele is at church, the tone is just killin. I gotta figure out a way to shiled the thing to make it more usable.


Yes it is. Any thoughts?

Well my guitar does hum in all the positions.  But you are prolly right about the wiring in the church causing the hum.

As for my tone, I would like a fat tone... :D...I don't know the differences between hot and vintage though and sparkly prolly means rich in the highs.

But what do you recommend?


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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 10:18:23 PM »
Never used one, but I have my reservations. A tele has no backplate and can still be noisy. You can also draw in noise from pole pieces. I'm sure it helps to reduce hum, but I think that any tremelo plate with copper shielding that fits properly can get the same effect.

Do you have any experience with one of those Suhr back plates?

http://www.suhrguitars.com/pickups.aspx

It's at the bottom of that page.

I know it's come up here before, but I don't know anyone personally that has actually tried it. I've read good things in reviews, but that's about it.

However, that also goes back to tone... Gib, if you think the tome of your pickups could be improved upon, then it may be more worth it to go with a new set.

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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2009, 06:16:54 AM »
What does the bold mean?

YMMV = Your Milage May Vary.  It's just another way of saying that your results or experiences may be different.
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Re: Prince Playing COGIC guitar!!!!
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2009, 01:05:41 PM »
Never used one, but I have my reservations. A tele has no backplate and can still be noisy. You can also draw in noise from pole pieces. I'm sure it helps to reduce hum, but I think that any tremelo plate with copper shielding that fits properly can get the same effect.


I just read that it doesn't work with a reverse-wound middle p/u anyhow... what's the point of having a Strat without the "quacky" positions available? lol
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