Topic: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community (Read 2521 times)

Mr. Bad Boy · « **on:** July 20, 2009, 11:55:04 AM »

Recently President Obama spoke at the 100 year anniversity for the NAACP. This event was extremely paramount to have the 1st U.S. President of African heritage speak at our "old ship of zion" institution. Listening to a black radio station here in Chicago regarding the speech that he made, made me completely disgusted with some of our people. There was so much hate for the President mainly because he hasnt "done anything for the black community", so many people called in to slam the President from topics ranging from his Supreme Court selection to his wife going on trips with him. I was so angry to hear how we are still stuck in the Willie Lynch syndrome and how we would treat our brother in such a manner.

Why do we have to rely on a politician (that is what he is!) to rescue us from the social ill's and idiotic mindsets and behavior's that we display? He is the President of all of America, not just black people, truth be told, the majority of black wouldnt even back his run until they saw the lead he had on Clinton. Now we are standing with our hands stuck out wanting something for free! Free yourselves, He got his, Go get yours!!! We want him to do so much for us, but we dont even have a black agenda! We want better education, but we would rather stand on the corner instead of standing in class to answer a question! We want better jobs but were too lazy to learn a trade or even cut the mo-hawk hairstyles that we have.

I work in Corporate America, and Im responsible for hiring personnel to represent this company, but I cant do too much for my people because we are full of excuses and no results! President Obama has been in office for only 6 months, we dont know what his plan is for us or any other minority, I believe that he has something great in store for the masses of the people during his next term, he cant do it now & still run for re-election (this is still America).

Can we please back off the brother and let him do his thing? How come were not this outraged when the Police are shooting our brothers dead in the streets on a daily basis, the open air drug markets that we see every hour, the fact that our women, children, and elderly cant walk down the street and be safe, the fact that we dont have real grocery stores with good products in our areas, the fact that all of our restaurants in the "hood" all serve fried foods-nothing baked or broiled. But we want to place all of this burden on one person!

Sorry for such a long text, just some stuff on my mind!!! Any thoughts???

Long Fingers · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2009, 12:07:17 PM »

Well, unfortunately some African-Americans do think that way and can't see the whole picture (remember the Bill Cosby debacle?). I personally feel the president's speech was a much needed one. African-Americans have made many advancements and have accomplished much, but there's still so much we can do. As much as it saddens me that our community have many young females who think the only way to obtain a good lifestyle is to become a groupie or gold digger, or for men, to become a pro-ball player, I'm hopeful when I see and read of stories of young ladies and gentlemen involved in their education and futures.

However, there's still plenty of people within our community who's priorities are way out of whack. Instead of accepting and recognizing the faults of our people, they'd rather place blame and get mad at others for specking out about it. Instead of bettering themselves, their communities, their surroundings, they'd rather place blame, not do a thing to bring about a solution, or worse yet, turn a blind eye to it.

B3Wannabe · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2009, 12:14:50 PM »

I fixed that for you. I couldn't take it.

I received one of those crazy emails from my African-American Unschooling group. This lady even called him a nig*a! It was sad. My wife was pissed as well.

Just like you said, we need to get up and start picking up our own trash. We can't expect to get anywhere, if we're not trying--as a community--to better ourselves.

Mr. Bad Boy · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2009, 12:40:54 PM »

LOL!!! B3 thanks alot! I was just in a zone of rage and couldnt stop!!! But I totally agree with you and Long Fingers! When are we going to stop being on the side line & take a position on the front line!!!

I just couldnt believe that this was going on in the city to which he resides! The atmosphere here is so disrespectful towards the President but everyone turn a blind eye towards Daley and the Aldermen who are robbing the city blind!!!

B3Wannabe · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2009, 01:27:42 PM »

Indeed.

This is the mess I was talking about:

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Greetings Brothas and Sistas,

This is an extremely important message. There is no way on earth African-Americans should continue to admire, appreciate or have faith in Obama for change. As intelligent people who have pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps to outgrow physical dynamics of slavery and segregation. It is time for blacks all over Africa, Haiti and America to evaluate what this ***** has done.

Obama has caused great harm to blacks by following orders from those who hate blacks, including avoiding the Racism Conference, dissing Black Farmers and his latest F-up telling blacks to stop blaming slavery and colonialism for our demise. If you are mad at me for writing this message my mission is accomplished. We can not afford to let Obama continue to treat us as though he is some master appointed, under cover skull and bones slave driver, without confronting his madness. If you don’t believe me please check his decisions and policies towards blacks for his first 100-200 days. No one can argue these points. The BS is clear in his stimulus packages. Now he wants to give Indians a stimulus package and blacks the middle finger.

It is truly time for African-Americans to take the lead against racism and moving towards a black united front including a power base to pursue reparations. Obama and the current administration have proven they do not care about the on-going atrocities following Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the alarming high death rates due to Aids and the growing problem of drugs in our communities. These are just a few cases that deserve immediate attention! African-Americans need to embrace a plan that will enable us to form a power base to let Obama know we do not appreciate him abusing us like past presidents, and to address crucial issues and fight for reparations!!

Standing for Truth and Reconciliation,
Brotha Pruitt
Reparations Leader and Chairman
Committee for African-American Reparations (CAAR) CA
Reparations Union Lobbying Association (RULA) NC
www.divineblacktruth.org

Mr. Bad Boy · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2009, 06:00:49 PM »

Now that a real shame (thank God this is a gospel music site, wont speak my real mind!). Its stuff like that to which the mainstream media is looking for to continue their attack on this brother. Is he perfect? No! Will we agree with every policy and area to which he wants to change? No! But can we stand and agree that this brother needs help and support instead of the constant ridicule? Yes! We didnt put this type of attack on Clarence Thomas who truly wishes he was born in another skin! One day hopefully we will wake up, if not, it will be another 44 Presidents before we see any type of real change! Thanks for that info!

MissRiss · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2009, 12:52:42 PM »

I really don't have a problem with other African Americans that have a dislike for Obama. I expected it. Every leader has opposition!!! After the Civil Rights Movement and when people started moving into different tax brackets, people just weren't as unified as they were before I believe. People are going to have different opinions. That's just how it's going to be.

We need to get real and face up to our problems.

We do not take responsibility for what we do. I'm all about education. Many of our kids are doing very poorly in school and no one seems to care. Many parents think it's the schools responsibility to educate their kids. I just don't buy that totally. It takes the school, parents, teachers and many others to get the job done.

Our kids know every word to a rap song but they don't know multiplication tables. What if they had to read rap lyrics? Back in the day you had to actually know how to read when looking at rap lyrics. Now, most of the popular songs are so shallow, simple, and disgusting that it wouldn't take much effort.

Kids can play video games for hours but can't sit for 30 minutes to read a book.

I don't get it. It's a shame.

Where is Joe Clark? We need him back in the schools.....for real!!!! Then, if we had Madea for the parents. Something might get worked out. LOL!!

Mr. Bad Boy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2009, 01:15:57 PM »

MissRiss,

You are so right, even though it had a humorous overtone, the message is very clear and accurate! Where are those figures who kept us in line back in the day? I remember acting up on the block and my friends father would get me, tell my mother and she would get me, she tells my father and he would get me, then he tells a family member and they would get me or give me a speech about shaming the family name.

I remember those days when the teacher actually called the parents regarding your conduct or grades. There wasnt any caller ID back then, you had to answer the phone. Teachers were active in the community, you saw them at the grocery store, department stores, my english teacher was a member of my fathers church!!!!!

To me, parental control is completely out of control!!! In my opinion, I believe that parents should be held completely accountable for the actions of their children. Dont get me wrong, I know that kids are going to do some very crazy things that parents dont have any knowledge of, but stuff like: PTA meetings, report card pick up, parent / teacher nights, progress reports, curfew, etc... There should be a fine or a payroll deduction on a check, thats the only time that we decide to get serious is when someone plays with our money!!!! Just my opinion!

B3Wannabe · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2009, 01:42:59 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Bad Boy on July 21, 2009, 01:15:57 PM

MissRiss,

You are so right, even though it had a humorous overtone, the message is very clear and accurate! Where are those figures who kept us in line back in the day? I remember acting up on the block and my friends father would get me, tell my mother and she would get me, she tells my father and he would get me, then he tells a family member and they would get me or give me a speech about shaming the family name.

I remember those days when the teacher actually called the parents regarding your conduct or grades. There wasnt any caller ID back then, you had to answer the phone. Teachers were active in the community, you saw them at the grocery store, department stores, my english teacher was a member of my fathers church!!!!!

To me, parental control is completely out of control!!! In my opinion, I believe that parents should be held completely accountable for the actions of their children. Dont get me wrong, I know that kids are going to do some very crazy things that parents dont have any knowledge of, but stuff like: PTA meetings, report card pick up, parent / teacher nights, progress reports, curfew, etc... There should be a fine or a payroll deduction on a check, thats the only time that we decide to get serious is when someone plays with our money!!!! Just my opinion!

Therein lies the crux of your problem: parents can't be held accountable, if the government ties their hands. I feel, in it's effort to save children, CPS has done more harm. Some parents are scared to be parents. Other than that, and probably a bigger issue is the self-serving attitude people have these days. Everyone is concerned about themselves.

spider5 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2009, 01:54:58 PM »

Sadly to say when he was campaigning many blacks were onboard to vote for him, mainly because he was a black man and they figured that he was going to be for the black people, but come on let's get past the ignorance. That would work for a country with 100% black people in it, but in a country that is probably the most diverse country in the world it will not work. He must be fair no matter what race one is. Furthermore, we as a people no matter the color of our skin must do our parts to make things right. For instance, why should you expect to get forty acres and a mule, and you can't keep the grass cut with the 1 acre you have now. We must come together and work and get relying on one person to make things better. Furthermore, instead of putting all of our trust and faith in man, we need to turn to God and invest our trust, faith, money, time, and everything else into his kingdom, and watch great things happen.

(Just for FYI)
I will be the first one to say that I did not vote for President Obama, and I am a black person, because of his views on abortion and gay marriages. However, as a person I will continue to believe that abortion is wrong, and gay marriage is wrong, and I will not support anyone who believes different, no matter the color of their skin.

B3Wannabe · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2009, 02:03:24 PM »

Quote from: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 01:54:58 PM

Sadly to say when he was campaigning many blacks were onboard to vote for him, mainly because he was a black man and they figured that he was going to be for the black people, but come on let's get past the ignorance. That would work for a country with 100% black people in it, but in a country that is probably the most diverse country in the world it will not work. He must be fair no matter what race one is. Furthermore, we as a people no matter the color of our skin must do our parts to make things right. For instance, why should you expect to get forty acres and a mule, and you can't keep the grass cut with the 1 acre you have now. We must come together and work and get relying on one person to make things better. Furthermore, instead of putting all of our trust and faith in man, we need to turn to God and invest our trust, faith, money, time, and everything else into his kingdom, and watch great things happen.

(Just for FYI)
I will be the first one to say that I did not vote for President Obama, and I am a black person, because of his views on abortion and gay marriages. However, as a person I will continue to believe that abortion is wrong, and gay marriage is wrong, and I will not support anyone who believes different, no matter the color of their skin.

I have two points:

1. Actually, voting for someone because they're Black would be idiotic in a country with 100% Black people.

You'd get the weird looks, for sure. Although it's not a good reason, it makes sense in the USA, since we're only about %15 percent of the population.

2. I guess the person you voted for wasn't a major candidate on the ballot then, because both McCain and Obama supported those things, albeit differently.

spider5 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2009, 02:32:38 PM »

That is your opinon B3Wannabe, but actually I voted for the independent canidate, because the two major party canidates both were not what I was looking for as a leader of the United States, though I knew one of them would win. The election this past year in my opinon was very commercialized, and the endorsers of both parties were not the type of people that I would put a great deal of trust in.

Also, what I was saying in my first statement, was that of there was a country comprised of 100% black people, then it would be expected that the president would work in favor of the black people, but when you have a diverse racial population such as the United States, then you cannot expect the president to be for one particular race, he can help do some things that would help the black race, but he can't just come in and put all black people on top, as many expect. I say this because of the things that I heard when he was campaigning. For instance I work at a prison in North Carolina, and the inmates thought that they would be released or that new legislation would be implemented because he was a black presidential canidate ( that is ignorant). Also the day before the election I was in Wal-Mart coming outside after I had paid for my merchandise. It was me, this young black lady, and this older white lady. Now the Older white lady stopped in front of the door, and it slowed down the progress of those behind her, and as we were walking the young black lady, stated "all this is going to come to an end tomorrow", meaning that once President Obama wins the election we won't be slowed up by white people stopping in front of the door, as if he was going to implelment some type of legislation to stop people from stopping in front of doors. This is the type of ignorance I was talking about. So many of us as black people, think that when black people are running for some type of office, that the person is going to be all for our race, and that is not the case, but so many of us have that mentality. We must learn how to stop looking at color and looking at the issues that situations that surround us, and work on them together, instead of playing the race card.

Loopy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2009, 02:54:41 PM »

Quote from: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 01:54:58 PM

(Just for FYI)
I will be the first one to say that I did not vote for President Obama, and I am a black person, because of his views on abortion and gay marriages. However, as a person I will continue to believe that abortion is wrong, and gay marriage is wrong, and I will not support anyone who believes different, no matter the color of their skin.

OK, haven't posted much lately, but I can't stand ignorance or misimformation. Obama has said time and time again that he is AGAINST gay marriage. He even issued a long statement recently supporting the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which angered a lot of liberals. Also, please do NOT assume that all blacks only supported Obama because he was black. That is a ridiculous generalization that is NOT supported by fact nor historical precedence. Even though I have my own personal views about people choosing candidates based on these issues (I'm not going to get into at this time), I stress that you can support any candidate you want for any reason you want, but please get your facts straight.

B3Wannabe · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2009, 03:01:32 PM »

Exactly. People confuse his support of Civil Unions with support of Gay Marriage. Both candidates supported civil unions--but anyway.

spider5 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2009, 03:38:47 PM »

Quote from: Loopy on July 21, 2009, 02:54:41 PM

OK, haven't posted much lately, but I can't stand ignorance or misimformation. Obama has said time and time again that he is AGAINST gay marriage. He even issued a long statement recently supporting the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which angered a lot of liberals. Also, please do NOT assume that all blacks only supported Obama because he was black. That is a ridiculous generalization that is NOT supported by fact nor historical precedence. Even though I have my own personal views about people choosing candidates based on these issues (I'm not going to get into at this time), I stress that you can support any candidate you want for any reason you want, but please get your facts straight.

Gay marriage or civil unions regardless its wrong, and furthermore, during his campaign he didn't issued those statements. If you think that its ignorant, I apologize, but whatever you want to call it a relationship between two people of the same sex is not right, and that is something that I am not going to support no matter who you are. On another I did not say that black people supported him because he was black, I said many voted because he was black, and you know that is true. So you need to get your facts straight, and stop reading just one part of the topic and seeing one thing, when there is a lot more to be seen in that post. Not to anger you, but, when asked about the two topics taht mean a lot to me (my opinion) he always tried to elude the question or tip-toed around it. I am not against him, if that is what you think, I am simply not going to vote for something that I don't approve of, and I seen personally a great deal of people take sides with him, not even knowing his views on topics fully, but really took a liking to his physical appearance. I am not saying everybody, that is your ignorance, saying that I said everyone voted for him because of his race. Like I said he never really answered the questions fully, and to me if you can't answer the questions fully no matted who you are or at what capacity, it seems to me that you are not telling the true or have something to hide.

LaylaMonroe · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2009, 03:51:14 PM »

Quote from: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 03:38:47 PM

Gay marriage or civil unions regardless its wrong, and furthermore, during his campaign he didn't issued those statements. If you think that its ignorant, I apologize, but whatever you want to call it a relationship between two people of the same sex is not right, and that is something that I am not going to support no matter who you are. On another I did not say that black people supported him because he was black, I said many voted because he was black, and you know that is true. So you need to get your facts straight, and stop reading just one part of the topic and seeing one thing, when there is a lot more to be seen in that post. Not to anger you, but, when asked about the two topics taht mean a lot to me (my opinion) he always tried to elude the question or tip-toed around it. I am not against him, if that is what you think, I am simply not going to vote for something that I don't approve of, and I seen personally a great deal of people take sides with him, not even knowing his views on topics fully, but really took a liking to his physical appearance. I am not saying everybody, that is your ignorance, saying that I said everyone voted for him because of his race. Like I said he never really answered the questions fully, and to me if you can't answer the questions fully no matted who you are or at what capacity, it seems to me that you are not telling the true or have something to hide.

Now HERE'S a guy who doesn't know Loop.

*biting my nails nervously at what is to come*

SirTJ · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2009, 04:10:25 PM »

Quote from: LaRue1212 on July 21, 2009, 03:51:14 PM

Now HERE'S a guy who doesn't know Loop.

*biting my nails nervously at what is to come*

I know that's right. Was he NOT at this year's LGM awards when Loop won the "You Do NOT Want To Go Toe-To-Toe With This Dude" award?

Loopy · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2009, 04:28:14 PM »

Quote from: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 03:38:47 PM

So you need to get your facts straight, and stop reading just one part of the topic and seeing one thing, when there is a lot more to be seen in that post.

With all due respect, I did read your entire post, and you are absolutely right. There was a lot more ignorance your post than just that one statement, but that was the one that jumped out as being patently false, so I decided to correct it. I'm not here to "defend" Obama, but I guess the educator in me wants people to have logical, sensible and fact-based arguments for a position and not throw around pointless generalizations and anomalistic examples (i.e. people thinking they won't have to wait in line behind white people anymore). People vote for various candidates for WHATEVER reason, and that's their right. This is NOT, however, unique to Obama and should not be portrayed as such.

Loopy · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2009, 04:30:50 PM »

Quote from: LaRue1212 on July 21, 2009, 03:51:14 PM

Now HERE'S a guy who doesn't know Loop.

*biting my nails nervously at what is to come*

Quote from: SirTJ on July 21, 2009, 04:10:25 PM

I know that's right. Was he NOT at this year's LGM awards when Loop won the "You Do NOT Want To Go Toe-To-Toe With This Dude" award?

Y'all are a MESS!!

sjonathan02 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2009, 04:31:59 PM »

Quote from: Loopy on July 21, 2009, 04:28:14 PM

With all due respect, I did read your entire post, and you are absolutely right. There was a lot more ignorance your post than just that one statement, but that was the one that jumped out as being patently false, so I decided to correct it. I'm not here to "defend" Obama, but I guess the educator in me wants people to have logical, sensical and factual arguments for a position and not throw around pointless generalizations and anomalistic examples (i.e. people thinking they won't have to wait in line behind white people anymore). People vote for various candidates for WHATEVER reason, and that's their right. This is NOT, however, unique to Obama and should not be portrayed as such.

$:-\$ I see you're heated, my brotha.

Author Topic: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community (Read 2521 times)