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Unbelievable
« on: July 24, 2009, 05:25:39 AM »
pls u guyz should help me out in the name of jesus.pls i dont know hw to apply those 6th7th9ths11th13thaugdimsuschords,their minorsetc in a progression(Passing chords/fillers) In a song pls someone should write some chord progression and apply some chords 4 me plz.GOD BLESS
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 06:41:33 AM »
Please help us understand exactly what you want so that we can better assist you. Now I believe that you need us to help you with a song called "In the name of Jesus"...1st question is who sings this song or is it just the congregational version of it?
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 09:46:36 AM »
Please help us understand exactly what you want so that we can better assist you. Now I believe that you need us to help you with a song called "In the name of Jesus"...1st question is who sings this song or is it just the congregational version of it?

I thought "in the name of Jesus" was just desperation. ;D ;D


pls u guyz should help me out in the name of jesus.pls i dont know hw to apply those 6th7th9ths11th13thaugdimsuschords,their minorsetc in a progression(Passing chords/fillers) In a song pls someone should write some chord progression and apply some chords 4 me plz.GOD BLESS

Where are you from?

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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 12:13:42 PM »
I thought that too, B3, I beleive that he is asking a familiar question;  after I learn all these extended and/or fancy chords, how do I use them? Place some of them in a song so I will know. Place them in a progression in a song so that I will know and understand.  Then God bless you for any help and anyway.  I think that is what he is saying.

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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 01:03:48 PM »
Don't know if this is what you want, but - if you are presented with a chart with 3-note chords like C, F, G...

- a few rules for fancying up simple chords (chord substitutions):

Major - can add Major 2nd, 6th, 7th, 9th, other tones to 'color' it up.
Also can add m7 to get a Dominant 7th (Rock'nRoll) chord.
Can also change the 3rd to a 4th to get a sus chord. Add a m7 for a sus7 chord.

Minor - add a m7 to get a m7 chord. If a 2nd (9th) is added, becomes a m9 chord.
If you flat the fifth on a m7 chord, it becomes half-diminished (m7b5).

Augmented - This is done by taking a Major Chord and sharping the 5th. This makes it bigger, thus the name 'Augmented'. Either a M7 or a m7 can be added to this one, depending on the style and harmony. Aug chords are built on the whole-tone scale, as in Debussy, Ravel, Gershwin, other Impressionist composers. So if you want, you can do solo lines on that scale over this chord.

Diminished - Take a minor chord and make it smaller by flatting the 5th. Usually M6 (bb7) gets added to make it a 4-note dim 7th chord. Sometimes the m7 is used instead, which makes it half-diminished. There's a dim 5th in the blues scale - good for riffs, etc.

    I haven't even gotten into the different kinds of 9th, 11th, 13th, etc. chords - or the styles and harmonic context in which they are used. The more notes, the more complex the harmony.

Pop, Alt. Rock and CCM tend to use simpler chords than jazz, contemp. Gospel and neo-soul R+B. Trad. Gospel is more about 7th and dim7 chords...

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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 03:24:03 PM »
The problem with your question is there's too much in it, meaning it isn't specific enough for a good answer. Pick one or 2 particular chords that you are trying to apply then we can go from there.
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 06:17:29 PM »
Thanks betnich for your reply.what i mean by in the name of jesus is that in Gods name.it is not a song.TBLOCK AND THOSE WILLING TO HELP PLS HELP ME ANALYZE THEM STEP BY STEP PLZ AM HAVING PROBLEM WITH ALL.GOD BLESS
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 06:23:33 PM »
Thanks betnich for your reply.what i mean by in the name of jesus is that in Gods name.it is not a song.TBLOCK AND THOSE WILLING TO HELP PLS HELP ME ANALYZE THEM STEP BY STEP PLZ AM HAVING PROBLEM WITH ALL.GOD BLESS
Oh I get ya...you need help finding where to use the 6th,7th,9th, etc. I'm sorry for getting mixed up. You may want to do a search because there's lots of stuff on here about using those chords.
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2009, 11:13:08 AM »
Thanks betnich for your reply.what i mean by in the name of jesus is that in Gods name.it is not a song.TBLOCK AND THOSE WILLING TO HELP PLS HELP ME ANALYZE THEM STEP BY STEP PLZ AM HAVING PROBLEM WITH ALL.GOD BLESS

I'm still curious where you're from.

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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2009, 09:04:36 PM »
Chords are based on scale steps - in C major that would be -
C D E F G A B C

If you use the number system, most chords in a song are on -
PRIMARY CHORDS
I, IV, V
1  4   5       (in C - C E G, F A C, G B D - like in 'La Bamba')

Think of these like the primary colors, red, yellow, and blue.

Of course there are other colors in between, like purple, green and orange -

MINOR SECONDARY CHORDS
II, III, VI
2,  3,   6     (in C - D F A, E G B, A C E)

And the half-diminished chord - on step 7 -
VII
7              (in C - B D F)

These are 3-note chords - Triads. When Jazz players talk about 'color tones' they are referring to adding or altering extra tones to these chords.

There are lots of books and courses on Jazz Harmony and Theory, discussing chords and soloing on major, minor and other modes. But you asked about progressions...

Most chord progressions are - you guessed it -
I, IV, V
1  4   5

That is, they typically move by fifths/fourths - C to F to G, etc.
Less common (more common in R+B/Gospel) are the secondary minor progressions, usually taking the 'scenic route' to get to the Major key - like -

VI II V7 I
6  2  5  1

and lots of other progressions you can find on LGM.

BTW, Major/minor are related - the relative minor scale begins on the 6th note of the Major scale. That's why a CM6 chord is the same as an Am7 chord. Weird, huh?

 Chords can also move up or down a scale step (2nd) or a 3rd or 6th. Less common (but really important to what I think you may be looking for) are Chromatic progressions, which slide up or down out of the scale a half-step between the main chords - those 'passing chords'.

The main important chords in a song tend to be on the 1st and 3rd beats, and passing chords tend to be briefer, happening shortly before the main chord changes. IMO, the big thing is to get the main chords in a song down first, then add passing chords later.... I often tell guitarists this, so they don't have to deal with too many chord changes when learning a song...


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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 07:24:56 AM »
Thanks betnich for ur effort may GOD BLESS U BROTHER AS U OPEN MY EYES MORE. B3WANNABE I AM FROM NIGERIA AND I WANT T0 BE THE BEST SO THAT I CAN WIN SOULS THROUGH MY PLAYING SO I NEED MORE.CHEVONEE PLS AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR HELP AND APPLICATIONS AS I SAID EARLY.GLOD BLESS U ALL.HOPING TO HEAR FROM U ALL.
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 06:04:50 PM »
Thanks betnich for ur effort may GOD BLESS U BROTHER AS U OPEN MY EYES MORE. B3WANNABE I AM FROM NIGERIA AND I WANT T0 BE THE BEST SO THAT I CAN WIN SOULS THROUGH MY PLAYING SO I NEED MORE.CHEVONEE PLS AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR HELP AND APPLICATIONS AS I SAID EARLY.GLOD BLESS U ALL.HOPING TO HEAR FROM U ALL.

Ok. I was guessing Nigeria. At any rate, welcome to the site.

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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 06:31:28 PM »
Thanks betnich for ur effort may GOD BLESS U BROTHER AS U OPEN MY EYES MORE. B3WANNABE I AM FROM NIGERIA AND I WANT T0 BE THE BEST SO THAT I CAN WIN SOULS THROUGH MY PLAYING SO I NEED MORE.CHEVONEE PLS AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR HELP AND APPLICATIONS AS I SAID EARLY.GLOD BLESS U ALL.HOPING TO HEAR FROM U ALL.

I really don't know what to tell you because I'm still learning myself. Try this and see if it helps http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,43165.0.html
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 07:05:15 PM »
THANKS CHEVONEE. AM STILL WAITHNG
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 01:27:28 AM »
pls am still waiting
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2009, 08:11:13 AM »
O.K. gab77, the first chord that you can add to ur playing is called the add9 chord. This is a simple addition u can make to the major chord by just adding the 9th scale degree. Example:

Key C scale degrees:

C = 1 & 8(octave)
D = 2 & 9
E = 3
F = 4 & 11
G = 5
A = 6 & 13
B = 7

major chord = 1-3-5
add9 chord = 1-3-5-9 or 1-2-3-5

C major chord = C-E-G
Cadd9 chord = C-E-G-D or C-D-E-G

When do u use this chord? Anytime u play a major chord u can substitute it with the add9 chord. Try experimenting with different inversions and voicings so that u can get the sound u want. Here's a simple progression in which u can practice using the add9 chord:

3-4-5-6 progression
Key C LH/RH

E / C-D-E-G (Cadd9/E)
F / C-F-G-A (Fadd9)
G / D-E-G-C (Cadd9/G)
A / F-G-A-C (Fadd9/A)
(repeat)
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2009, 06:17:39 AM »
thanks t block ill start doing that. expecting more from you.GOD BLESS(AMEN)
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2009, 11:13:08 AM »
LOL.......B3....
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2009, 01:09:36 PM »
The next chord u can add to your playing is called the dom.7(#5/#9) chord. U can substitute this chord for a dominant chord when the sound calls for it. Exaple:

C7(#5/#9) = C-E-G#-Bb-D# (u may see it spelled like this as well: C-E-Ab-Bb-Eb)

The voicings that you will mostly likely hear this chord played in are as follows:

C / E-G#-Bb-D# or C / C-E-Ab-Bb-Eb
C / Bb-D#-E-G# or C / Bb-Eb-E-Ab

Some practice progressions for using this chord:

7-3-6 progression
Key Ab LH/RH

G / F-Bb-Db
C / E-Ab-Bb-Eb *here it's used as a 3
F / Eb-Ab-C


3-3-#4-5 progression (preacher chords)
Key Ab LH/RH

C / Bb-Eb-E-Ab *again it's being used as a 3
Db / B-Eb-F-Ab
D / B-D-F-Ab
Eb / C-Eb-Ab


4-4-3-6 progression
Key Eb LH/RH

Ab / Eb-Ab-C
Ab / F-Bb-D
G / F-Bb-Db
C / E-Ab-Bb-Eb *here it's used as 6


2-5-1 progression
Key F LH/RH

G / B-D-F-Ab
C / E-Ab-Bb-Eb *here it's used as a 5
F / Eb-A-C-F or F / Eb-A-D-F
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Re: Unbelievable
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2009, 02:50:30 AM »
T BLOCK this is great i didnt know this chord can be used in many variations ill go and work on them now .Ill let u know when am through.thanks&GODBLESS(AMEN).brothers and sisters in christ
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