Zogby says Obama Approval Plummets to 42 Percent - How Dare They

[Loopy]

I listen to and agree with much of what Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity say

This statement alone basically renders you totally free of ALL objectivity, intellectual honesty and seriousness.

As for fixing the economy I do think it was unfair for people to expect him to turn it around instantly. However, he came in talking big as though this stimulus would provide a quick jolt, and it hasn't, so now he is reaping the consequences.

First of all, he NEVER said that the stimulus was going to be a "quick fix." In fact, it is Obama himself who has said time and time again that it was going to take a while for things to turn around. That being said, it would do you well to follow the links on previous posts and actually read them, so that you can get some actual knowledge for yourself and not just parrot what Rush and Sean say. So I'll do the honors and post this link AGAIN regarding the stimulus.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html

And again I stress, this is from the WALL STREET JOURNAL, hardly a "liberal rag."

Lastly, I am sick and tired of people still blaming Bush for everything. Fine he was the worst president ever, he nearly single handedly destroyed the world and its economy and everything in it(yes sarcasm). We know already. At some point Obama is going to have to shoulder responsibility.

You may be "sick and tired" of it, but get used to it. Bush and his cronies had EIGHT YEARS to screw things up, so don't for one second think that in just 7 MONTHS we are going to forget about his policies and actions, of which we are STILL CURRENTLY feeling the effects.

As a conservative I do feel that Obama's agenda reeks of socialism.

I do wish that you right-wingers would learn the proper definition and use of the word "socialism" instead of just throwing the term around to attack Democrats. We live in a capitalistic country, but it is a MIXED economy. We have "socialized" fire departments, police departments, education departments, postal services, etc., etc. If your neighbor's house is on fire you'd better darn well hope they can use the same services you use, because while you're sitting pretty bragging about your "private" fire insurance and ranting against "socialism", your neighbor's house fire will spread to YOUR HOUSE.

BTW, the bailouts were started under BUSH! The larget deficit increase in history happened under BUSH! We were attacked on American soil under BUSH! The largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich happened under BUSH! Mind you the Republicans had control of Congress from 2000-2006. If I'm sick and tired of anything, it's conservatives trying to shift blame on to a President who has been in office ALL OF 7 MONTHS, while trying to totally ignore the fact that most of them didn't say "BOO" when Bush was running this country into the ground. I HATE hypocricy!

[GospelEngineer]

Where to begin?

1) "The government took over the banks, the car companies and now is attempting to take over health care."

We haven't.  Maybe you got this from ya boys Rush Limbaugh & Sean Hannity, but we didn't "Take over".  The CEO's of major Car companies came to congress for money.  They were failing.  We could NOT let the car industry crumble.  We didn't say "Hey we're TAKING this company!".  It was either provide oversight (which we have every RIGHT to do, seeing as we gave them so much money), or watch them fall, and deal a devastating blow to our economy.

Ok, fine the government didn't take over, however a government official is still overseeing the car companies meaning the ones who took the money are now subject to whatever regulations our government decides to impose on them. You sure that's not socialism?

As for Banks, we haven't "Taken over" the banks.  We are overseeing the banks.  It's a lack of oversight and accountability in the private sector that helped get our economy into this mess.  You deride these policies as "socialism", then say:

Once again same deal as with the car companies. Also, whenever the private sector fails the government is supposed to bail them out? If that's the case then they should bail out my dad's business if he happens to mess up right? Where does it stop.

"I'm not going to argue whether or not it was necessary for him to do so because at this point it's irrelevant."

whut?

I was saying I'm not going to argue whether or not the bailouts were necessary as it was irrelevant to the case I was making about socialism.



2) "He came in talking big as though this stimulus would provide a quick jolt, and it hasn't"

 

My only explanation for this comment is that you don't really follow the market. 

Watch the Markets for yourself.  6 months ago the Dow Jones was at 8,000.  Now the markets are over 9,000.  That's HUGE.  The stimulus has clearly worked.  Only this week have the markets stalled a bit, but we're definitely trending upwards.

Lol, you don't follow unemployment. Who cares if the markets are increasing if the unemployment rate is not dropping. The point of the stimulus was not to raise the markets but to provide jobs. There are still no jobs.


3) "I am sick and tired of people still blaming Bush for everything....at some point Obama is going to have to shoulder responsibility."

Barack should NOT should responsibility for things that occurred under the Bush Administration.  I will blame Barack for his own failings.

I agree with you, however once you become president these problems, no matter who caused them, become your problems and if you say you're going to fix them then you shift the onus onto you.


4) "I listen to and agree with much of what Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity say..."

This explains your entire post...misinformation and all.   

I want to hear some specific examples of how they "misinform"

[GospelEngineer]

This statement alone basically renders you totally free of ALL objectivity, intellectual honesty and seriousness.

You'll have to explain why other than the fact that you're biased against their opinions

First of all, he NEVER said that the stimulus was going to be a "quick fix." In fact, it is Obama himself who has said time and time again that it was going to take a while for things to turn around. That being said, it would do you well to follow the links on previous posts and actually read them, so that you can get some actual knowledge for yourself and not just parrot what Rush and Sean say. So I'll do the honors and post this link AGAIN regarding the stimulus.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html

And again I stress, this is from the WALL STREET JOURNAL, hardly a "liberal rag."

Is this article supposed to prove your idea that the stimulus package has indeed worked? Read the ENTIRE article, one guy says that it was not as effective as people claimed or will claim. Another says that the package caused a burst that exaggerated the pace of growth.

You may be "sick and tired" of it, but get used to it. Bush and his cronies had EIGHT YEARS to screw things up, so don't for one second think that in just 7 MONTHS we are going to forget about his policies and actions, of which we are STILL CURRENTLY feeling the effects.

I do wish that you right-wingers would learn the proper definition and use of the word "socialism" instead of just throwing the term around to attack Democrats. We live in a capitalistic country, but it is a MIXED economy. We have "socialized" fire departments, police departments, education departments, postal services, etc., etc. If your neighbor's house is on fire you'd better darn well hope they can use the same services you use, because while you're sitting pretty bragging about your "private" fire insurance and ranting against "socialism", your neighbor's house fire will spread to YOUR HOUSE.\

It sounds like you just admitted that what Obama has done is indeed socialist and you're justifying it by naming other socialized areas of our economy. Because the government runs something doesn't mean it's run well either. Public schools are weak and the postal service is struggling.

BTW, the bailouts were started under BUSH! The larget deficit increase in history happened under BUSH! We were attacked on American soil under BUSH! The largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich happened under BUSH! Mind you the Republicans had control of Congress from 2000-2006. If I'm sick and tired of anything, it's conservatives trying to shift blame on to a President who has been in office ALL OF 7 MONTHS, while trying to totally ignore the fact that most of them didn't say "BOO" when Bush was running this country into the ground. I HATE hypocricy!

And I was against Bush's bailouts! Bush was not a good president do not ever think of me as a Bush supporter. BUT, no matter how badly the guy before messed up, whatever problems there are become the current presidents problems. Bush is gone we're not looking to him to fix the problems, we're looking for Mr. Obama to bail us out. What good does it do the American people to constantly hear what the guy before did to mess things up? We know things are bad! Now fix it! If you can't then why are you president?

[Incognegro]

I want to hear some specific examples of how they "misinform"

Are you serious?

Watch this video:

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/06/sean-hannity-claims-that-obama-calls-us-a-muslim-nation/

[Incognegro]

I was going to post a longer response, but it doesn't make sense.

If you listen to Hannity, who has cropped Obama's quotes (taken them out of context) COUNTLESS times.....then what's the use?

If you can still listen to Limbaugh after he played a skit that called Obama "Barack the Magic Negro".....

 

[GospelEngineer]

Are you serious?

Watch this video:

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/06/sean-hannity-claims-that-obama-calls-us-a-muslim-nation/

Ok he definitely twisted that, but can you honestly tell me Obama, according to that clip, did not imply we are a muslim nation? I'd have to see that entire interview because the way it was shown, Obama spouting off those statistics was definitely an implication.

[sjonathan02]

I was going to post a longer response, but it doesn't make sense.

If you listen to Hannity, who has cropped Obama's quotes (taken them out of context) COUNTLESS times.....then what's the use?

If you can still listen to Limbaugh after he played a skit that called Obama "Barack the Magic Negro".....

 

And, that's my thing. That 'skit' was racial. PERIOD. Anyone trying to claim anything different is a racist. PERIOD.


And, anyone who can listen to anyone who sanctions such a 'skit' is a.........(well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......).


And, I've got 5 bucks says GE says NOTHING about your post, Incog.





And, if they're the same skin color as the object of the 'skit' then they're a particular relative named Tom.

[Incognegro]

Ok he definitely twisted that, but can you honestly tell me Obama, according to that clip, did not imply we are a muslim nation? I'd have to see that entire interview because the way it was shown, Obama spouting off those statistics was definitely an implication.

Believe what you want.   

[GospelEngineer]

And, that's my thing. That 'skit' was racial. PERIOD. Anyone trying to claim anything different is a racist. PERIOD.


And, anyone who can listen to anyone who sanctions such a 'skit' is a.........(well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......).


And, I've got 5 bucks says GE says NOTHING about your post, Incog.





And, if they're the same skin color as the object of the 'skit' then they're a particular relative named Tom.

Now you want to call me an uncle tom because I don't agree with our president who happens to be black? lol and yes I heard that skit by Rush, didn't bother me. I guess I'm a disgrace to the black community. Disown me! That'll teach me, next time I'll vote for the black man no matter how much I dislike his policies.

It's obvious that as long as I don't agree with the guy you support I'm wrong. It doesn't matter what news source or radio host I listen to as long as they don't support YOUR view I'm going to be wrong.

And please don't ever come at me with a personal attack like calling me an uncle tom when you don't know me at all. I understand you don't agree with me but that's low.

[GospelEngineer]

Believe what you want.   

Ha I love how you don't respond with any other kind of fact or rebuttal but a winking smiley.

[Incognegro]

And, that's my thing. That 'skit' was racial. PERIOD. Anyone trying to claim anything different is a racist. PERIOD.

And, anyone who can listen to anyone who sanctions such a 'skit' is a.........(well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......).


And, I've got 5 bucks says GE says NOTHING about your post, Incog.

And, if they're the same skin color as the object of the 'skit' then they're a particular relative named Tom.

Absolutely.  There are strong racial undertones on both their programs, but if asked listeners will always play dumb.

"THAT WASN'T RACIST!"

Of course it was.  You know it was.  But it's not politically correct to be a racist, so you hide behind implications and innuendo.

Ha I love how you don't respond with any other kind of fact or rebuttal but a winking smiley.

Fact?  What more facts do you need?  I linked to a video of Hannity's deception, you say:

Ok he definitely twisted that....

Then continue to back up his assertion.

So It doesn't make sense arguing.   

[GospelEngineer]

Absolutely.  There are strong racial undertones on both their programs, but if asked listeners will always play dumb.

"THAT WASN'T RACIST!"

Of course it was.  You know it was.  But it's not politically correct to be a racist, so you hide behind implications and innuendo.

but...what if I don't see it as racial....

and for the record neither of you two addressed the other rebuttals I made to your earlier posts. My responses are in green.

[Incognegro]

but...what if I don't see it as racial....

"Barack the Magic Negro" isn't racist?   

and for the record neither of you two addressed the other rebuttals I made to your earlier posts. My responses are in green.

I iz not takin teh bait.   

[GospelEngineer]

"Barack the Magic Negro" isn't racist?   



I iz not takin teh bait.   

The bait? lol see this is what bugs me about liberals. They want to start stuff and bash and call everybody hateful and racist but when it comes down to simply responding with facts they fail every time. It's been fun gentlemen. I'm off to practice keyboard now.

[sjonathan02]

"Barack the Magic Negro" isn't racist?   

Exactly.

[Incognegro]

Exactly.

Notice how he deftly dodged every mention of the "Barack the Magic Negro" skit.

 

[GospelEngineer]

Notice how he deftly dodged every mention of the "Barack the Magic Negro" skit.

 

What do you want me to say about it, I heard it. It didn't offend me. What else can I say?

[Incognegro]

What do you want me to say about it, I heard it. It didn't offend me. What else can I say?

So it wasn't racist?

[sjonathan02]

The bait? lol see this is what bugs me about liberals. They want to start stuff and bash and call everybody hateful and racist but when it comes down to simply responding with facts they fail every time. It's been fun gentlemen. I'm off to practice keyboard now.

You mean, the way you've done in this thread.



You didn't bother to answer his DIRECT question.




How is 'Barack, the Magic Negro' in ANY way NOT racist?

[Incognegro]

What do you want me to say about it, I heard it. It didn't offend me. What else can I say?

That, my friend, is the problem.