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Re: Carter's remarks - What do you think?...
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2009, 12:39:44 AM »
I agree with his premise that some use their patriotism as a device to camouflage racism, but it?s harder to argue that point now when President Obama rejects racism as a factor in their contempt of him and his policies. He?s a politician and has to say the ?right? things. President Carter is beyond that and has the freedom to say what he feels is true.

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2009, 12:59:20 AM »
He didnt die yet ?/?

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2009, 01:04:46 AM »
Psalms 133:1 " Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell(play)together in unity!!

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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2009, 01:49:35 AM »
Carter's remarks were 100% on point. He just said what many(politians) could not say. Of course Obama had to reject what Carter says, because he is the President. Disagreeing with a President on certain policies is one thing, but these white folks have taken thier disagreement to another level, that no other President has ever been subjected to. But, thats what will make & has made the Obama Presidency that much more special, cause even though all the opposition, he will come out & has come out on top & most white folks hate it.

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2009, 04:35:37 AM »
I told my mom when Obama got elected that anybody that disagreed with him would be considered racist.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2009, 08:55:34 AM »
I don't know. On one end I agree with Carter that a lot of the opposition is racism-driven but at the same time I don't think every opposition from white people is necessarily racist. Some people oppose his policy. It's just ridiculous that his presidency has so much racial stuff. It's sickening.

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2009, 09:49:47 AM »
I don't know. On one end I agree with Carter that a lot of the opposition is racism-driven but at the same time I don't think every opposition from white people is necessarily racist. Some people oppose his policy. It's just ridiculous that his presidency has so much racial stuff. It's sickening.
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While I don't think that every white person opposed to him feel that way because of racism.. (That is as ridiculous as the notion that black folks voted for him because he was black.. as if Jesse Jackson, Michael Steele or Alan Keyes would have had such a turn out.. ) I do believe that it plays a factor in the eyes of many.. even if they don't see it. Racism here in America in particular is such an ingrained thing.. and it has become so subtly ingrained into almost every aspect of our society as to often not be seen clearly because it is so subtle. This kind of behavior is true to form though for the republican party though.. I wonder just how much more effective President Clinton might have been if he had not had to constantly deal with his personal issues.. that were constantly shoved in our faces by a right that stayed pissed because he won in the first place..

The racism is just as subtle as the notion that.. if you voted for President Obama in the first place you can't be a good Christian.. No one says that.. but the subtle implication is there... I learned in 04 to

A)Not vote MY values.. because I am not running.
B)Take a candidate.. especially a presidential one as a total package.. You cant just take a few issues and base a vote that will impact 4 years.. and base a vote solely on those issues.. No matter how important and moral those few issues are.

President Bush is pro life.. and yes he values the sanctity of marriage.. but when I look at the sum total of decisions that he made over the last 8 years that involved that area... and juxtapose them onto the other decisions that he also made.. the current state of affairs speaks volumes.

I will say this though.. I don't recall people ever bringing guns to rallies where the president was going to be.. and flaunting it.. I don't remember preachers praying for the death of any president.. publicly no less... I cannot recall the level of hysteria, lies , out right distortions of the truths..  over any president.. even Dubya.. in their first year in office that we see here... Even the brohuha over Haliburton and it's subsidiaries .. that made and are still making a killing off the war BTW with their contracts.... was nowhere near as loud as the uproar over ACORN.  ::)

I hope the man does well... and come 2012.. if I don't like what I see in my country I will vote accordingly.. but AFAIC the man  was the best person for the job last year...
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2009, 11:36:02 AM »
I'm still reading the article :)

But did anybody else but me have to do a triple take when they saw the words "tea baggers"?...and then laugh really hard?

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2009, 11:47:53 AM »
I read the article, and I like it.

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2009, 02:16:40 PM »
I think the President is going the Jackie Robinson route on all the haters, knowing that it is not politically expedient to engage them or blow up in response (though I wonder if we will get a 'leaked mike' moment like his off-the-record remarks about Kanye West's antics). This is very similar to the way his campaign defused this issue in 2008, by appealing directly to mainstream voters' needs and values while largely ignoring traditional minority power bases.

     My take is - sure, go ahead and criticize Government policies if you don't agree - but do try to come up with some better alternatives on things like economics, the Mid-East wars and healthcare, and DO NOT resort to name-calling and personal attacks on the man and his family...

Here's another article, from the NY Times...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/opinion/19herbert.html?th&emc=th

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2009, 02:40:25 PM »
Sweet.

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2009, 03:18:12 PM »
I really do wonder sometimes if as a country we will ever be able to look past race on certain things.....I really wonder.



Hmmmm..... :-\ :'(

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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2009, 03:24:07 PM »
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While I don't think that every white person opposed to him feel that way because of racism.. (That is as ridiculous as the notion that black folks voted for him because he was black.. as if Jesse Jackson, Michael Steele or Alan Keyes would have had such a turn out.. ) I do believe that it plays a factor in the eyes of many.. even if they don't see it. Racism here in America in particular is such an ingrained thing.. and it has become so subtly ingrained into almost every aspect of our society as to often not be seen clearly because it is so subtle. This kind of behavior is true to form though for the republican party though.. I wonder just how much more effective President Clinton might have been if he had not had to constantly deal with his personal issues.. that were constantly shoved in our faces by a right that stayed pissed because he won in the first place..

The racism is just as subtle as the notion that.. if you voted for President Obama in the first place you can't be a good Christian.. No one says that.. but the subtle implication is there... I learned in 04 to

A)Not vote MY values.. because I am not running.
B)Take a candidate.. especially a presidential one as a total package.. You cant just take a few issues and base a vote that will impact 4 years.. and base a vote solely on those issues.. No matter how important and moral those few issues are.

President Bush is pro life.. and yes he values the sanctity of marriage.. but when I look at the sum total of decisions that he made over the last 8 years that involved that area... and juxtapose them onto the other decisions that he also made.. the current state of affairs speaks volumes.

I will say this though.. I don't recall people ever bringing guns to rallies where the president was going to be.. and flaunting it.. I don't remember preachers praying for the death of any president.. publicly no less... I cannot recall the level of hysteria, lies , out right distortions of the truths..  over any president.. even Dubya.. in their first year in office that we see here... Even the brohuha over Haliburton and it's subsidiaries .. that made and are still making a killing off the war BTW with their contracts.... was nowhere near as loud as the uproar over ACORN.  ::)

I hope the man does well... and come 2012.. if I don't like what I see in my country I will vote accordingly.. but AFAIC the man  was the best person for the job last year...

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2009, 03:39:32 PM »
I will say that if you take Carter's actual remarks, he was not saying that ALL white people who disagree with Obama are racist. He did say that some of the MOST VITRIOLIC actions and remarks are likely rooted in racism. In that respect, I SOMEWHAT agree with him.

I think the vast majority of people who vehemently disagree with Obama are doing so for PARTISAN reasons first. I won't even say it's POLICY first, because much of the stuff they're supposedly disagreeing with Obama on (deficits, spending, etc.) they did not say 'BOO' when Bush was overseeing the largest deficit increases and transfer of wealth in history. I think it's more of a PARTISAN bias than a racial one. Then there are those who actually DO agree with policy.

HOWEVER, I have absolutely NO doubt that some of the disagreement with Obama has a racial edge to it, because of the very PERSONAL nature of some of these people's anger. I haven't been around a long time, but in my years I haven't quite seen it get THIS personal before. Not only that, but the people who have a vested interest in seeing the Obama administration fail (the talking heads, corporations, etc.) have NO problem using racially tinged language to stir up feeling of resentment in some of their constituents. Limbaugh's most recent RACIST dribble was about a bunch of black kids on a school bus who allegedly beat up a white kid. He proclaimed "this is OBAMA'S America!" That, along with the crap that airs daily on FOX "News", is VERY racially tinged.

Now you have people showing up at Presidential events with LOADED guns. And all of a sudden THAT'S OKAY! Who do you think they're trying to scare? What are they trying to prove? What FEAR are they trying to tap into? Would this have even been remotely tolerated with any other President?? What are these people doing waving signs showing MLK's face with the quote "He had a dream", and then Obama's face below it with the quote: "We got a nightmare?" Are you telling me that THAT'S not racial?? Come on! It's more than just racial though. There is a definite XENOPHOBIC aspect to all of this. The whole "birther" movement, the "Muslim" accusations, the growing anti-immigrant sentiment from the right, the talk of secession, people yelling "WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!" Back from WHAT exactly? Not to mention the uproar of the school address!

There's bound to be a "racial element" to a lot of this stuff. Let's not forget that 96% of African-Americans voted for Obama, but not only that. People forget that in the Deep South, particularly in the states of MS, AL, and LA, 90% or more of white people voted AGAINST Obama. It is also in the Deep South where the highest percentages of people believe that Obama was not born in the U.S.A. To deny that there is some racial element to all of this is being EXTREMELY naive.
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2009, 04:33:35 PM »
The fact of the business was the way that he spoke to President Obama and the setting in which he did it. That was unheard of before. They didn't even say that to Bush when he WAS lying and everybody knew it. President Carter just brought that out and extended it to other areas where it fit. They wouldn't tolerate the fact of a white president being accosted in that manner, and they shouldn't tolerate it now. I think he was 100% on target, and that it took courage to say it, even today. 

I am not surprised that he said it though because that's who he is. President Carter is one of the most honest and fairminded of presidents of this century.   And most far thinking.

Somebody needed to say it. Whether it helps or hurts Obama in the short term, it should be known.  Obama couldn't say it.  Here is a mirror.  Look at yourself in it.

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2009, 11:42:25 PM »
I will say that if you take Carter's actual remarks, he was not saying that ALL white people who disagree with Obama are racist. He did say that some of the MOST VITRIOLIC actions and remarks are likely rooted in racism. In that respect, I SOMEWHAT agree with him.

I think the vast majority of people who vehemently disagree with Obama are doing so for PARTISAN reasons first. I won't even say it's POLICY first, because much of the stuff they're supposedly disagreeing with Obama on (deficits, spending, etc.) they did not say 'BOO' when Bush was overseeing the largest deficit increases and transfer of wealth in history. I think it's more of a PARTISAN bias than a racial one. Then there are those who actually DO agree with policy.

Very true - not a peep from the Far Right when the previous Administration was digging the hole in which our country finds itself in today...

I usually don't agree with a lot of what Carter has to say, but on this issue I think he was RIGHT ON target. And this coming from a white Southerner made the Media sit up and pay attention...

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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2009, 11:52:09 PM »
Amen
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