Ministers or Mini-Stars?

[B3Wannabe]

Dude, you know I never can tell with you... lol. I think you may have been serious, but I'm not sure... 

I usually like it that way too!

Our realtor would always stare at me when we were searching for a house. When my wife would say "Ohhh! I like this!" I'd be like  . She finally said that she couldn't read me.

I told one Marine at work that the reason his Internet was moving slow is because "Army" packets have priority. I told him that all Army data is given a higher QOS (quality of service), since we're on an Army base. He was like 

...then I LOL'd.

Anyway, I was joking.

[LaylaMonroe]

I usually like it that way too!

I know you do... 

[B3Wannabe]

I know you do... 

If it's any consolation, even my wife and family can't read me.

[kodacolor]

I tell you ain't NOBODY gon cry loud and spare not like the late Pastor Nathan Simmons...

Good Lord...

I can't see the video right now but the bold part reminds me of this song.  It's probably on topic too!

http://media.imeem.com/m/SgH-zSu7oZ

[churchyreal]

Right now I'm not gonna give an opinion on what he said because I don't remember what he said for one and two I don't have my head phones right now...lol!

But anyway what he did (prophecy speaking) is what we need to get back to. I think we have to balance the focus between telling future things and sending warnings which is what happened a lot in the bible with the prophets.

[kingrhollo]

What I heard in respect to the music comments was not that the Jazz Chords were evil, but that there are musicians whose goal is to put on a jam session instead of being lead by the spirit and that a Jam Session isn't gonna save someone, but an anoited instrumental can deliver someone......That's just what I heard.

Let's remember that 1 Samuel 18 Saul asked David to play his instrument, not sing, to ease his tormented spirit.  So there is a great spiritual component in the music.

[betnich]

Well....since the "tritone" was called the "Devil's interval", maybe anyone that uses it or chords with tritones in them, like Dominant7th, are unwittingly instruments of the devil.

It that is true, then they can't use dim 7ths either - so there go the Preaching Chords...

[sjonathan02]

What I heard in respect to the music comments was not that the Jazz Chords were evil, but that there are musicians whose goal is to put on a jam session instead of being lead by the spirit and that a Jam Session isn't gonna save someone, but an anointed instrumental can deliver someone......That's just what I heard.

Let's remember that 1 Samuel 18 Saul asked David to play his instrument, not sing, to ease his tormented spirit.  So there is a great spiritual component in the music.

I spent 10 min. yesterday trying to say the very thing you stated so eloquently.


Thank you.

[LaylaMonroe]

Yeah, I didn't know what to make of that part, either. But, I've heard many preachers say similar things. I think it can somewhat be explained in a way that makes a little more sense (though it won't change anyone's opinion), but I don't have the clarity of thought right now to put in my two cents.

What I heard in respect to the music comments was not that the Jazz Chords were evil, but that there are musicians whose goal is to put on a jam session instead of being lead by the spirit and that a Jam Session isn't gonna save someone, but an anoited instrumental can deliver someone......That's just what I heard.

Let's remember that 1 Samuel 18 Saul asked David to play his instrument, not sing, to ease his tormented spirit.  So there is a great spiritual component in the music.

I spent 10 min. yesterday trying to say the very thing you stated so eloquently.


Thank you.

Me too.  (And it's good to know I'm not the only one who experiences that). 

[under13]

What I heard in respect to the music comments was not that the Jazz Chords were evil, but that there are musicians whose goal is to put on a jam session instead of being lead by the spirit and that a Jam Session isn't gonna save someone, but an anoited instrumental can deliver someone......That's just what I heard.

Let's remember that 1 Samuel 18 Saul asked David to play his instrument, not sing, to ease his tormented spirit.  So there is a great spiritual component in the music.

I think what you said applies to :55 to 3:10. As for what he said after that about incorporating different styles, I dont think it applies......well maybe a little.

In my opinion, if the musicians are trying to jam at the wrong time then why wouldn't the pastor tell them to stop, and educate them on how he wants his music?

So I agree that Musicians Jamming at the wrong time can be a hinderance, but I wouldnt go as far to say that someone could not be saved because the musicians are jamming.

[LaylaMonroe]

I think what you said applies to :55 to 3:10. As for what he said after that about incorporating different styles, I dont think it applies......well maybe a little.

In my opinion, if the musicians are trying to jam at the wrong time then why wouldn't the pastor tell them to stop, and educate them on how he wants his music?

So I agree that Musicians Jamming at the wrong time can be a hinderance, but I wouldnt go as far to say that someone could not be saved because the musicians are jamming.

I don't think that's what he was saying at all.  I think the point was that a musician's gift used to God's glory with a pure heart can deliver, set free, and break chains... a musician who's not using his gift with a pure heart toward God is... just... sounding good.   

There ARE demon spirits that will be arrested by the pure sound of worship, whether we like to believe that or not.

I had more to say, but it exited brain stage left. LOL

[funkStrat_97]

Someone simply didn't like the dissonant sound of the tritone and gave it that label. 

If they thought that dominant 7th chords were of the Devil in their pure form, then how about about altered encarntatios such as a 13th/b5?  If you really want to get devilish, you need to explore the usage of the diminished scale...that ought to send ya' straight to hell.    The only way of redemption is to play a G-sus. chord (that's "G-sus" as in "Jesus" chord) and repent of the evil scale which thou hast played.  Wither thou playest a G-sus 2 or a G-sus 4, he that chordeth the name of G-sus, shalt be saved!

[B3Wannabe]

If they thought that dominant 7th chords were of the Devil in their pure form, then how about about altered encarntatios such as a 13th/b5?  If you really want to get devilish, you need to explore the usage of the diminished scale...that ought to send ya' straight to hell.    The only way of redemption is to play a G-sus. chord (that's "G-sus" as in "Jesus" chord) and repent of the evil scale which thou hast played.  Wither thou playest a G-sus 2 or a G-sus 4, he that chordeth the name of G-sus, shalt be saved!

And there you have it.

[phatstrings]

'He that chordeth the name of G-sus..' Hmmn..Nice!

[jivejong]

If folks all take the Jazz to heart, I wonder if we'll see a little more color in the White churches?

[sjonathan02]

I don't think that's what he was saying at all.  I think the point was that a musician's gift used to God's glory with a pure heart can deliver, set free, and break chains... a musician who's not using his gift with a pure heart toward God is... just... sounding good.   

There ARE demon spirits that will be arrested by the pure sound of worship, whether we like to believe that or not.

Indeed to this whole post, but especially the part in bold.

[LaylaMonroe]

I just watched it again (just on a Nathan Simmons kick today), and another point I want to make that I believe is what he was getting at (around that 3:30? mark, I think) is that musicians should be seeking God and spending time in the presence of the Lord to get new material, lyrics, melodies, chords, etc. and not surfing Hot 97 or Kiss FM or Jazz 107 or whatever trying to get new chords. At least that's what it sounded like to me...

I don't think he was saying DON'T listen to jazz or DON'T play jazz, I think he was saying that jazz shouldn't be your source for music intended to set captives free.

[under13]

I just watched it again (just on a Nathan Simmons kick today), and another point I want to make that I believe is what he was getting at (around that 3:30? mark, I think) is that musicians should be seeking God and spending time in the presence of the Lord to get new material, lyrics, melodies, chords, etc. and not surfing Hot 97 or Kiss FM or Jazz 107 or whatever trying to get new chords. At least that's what it sounded like to me...

I don't think he was saying DON'T listen to jazz or DON'T play jazz, I think he was saying that jazz shouldn't be your source for music intended to set captives free.

He must not have been a musician

[SirTJ]

Before you read this, PLEASE note that this is just a simple, honest inquiry. I am not presenting this as fact, law, gospel, blasting, calling out or anything...it's just a simple inquiry.

I don't know...I honestly think that the things church folk label "Anointed" are actually just sounds they've been conditioned to really like. I've done some services at Churches that aren't predominantly pentecostal/apostolic or whatever...and the same progressions that would send the Churches that ARE predominantly pentecostal/apostolic into a crazy fit of worship without fail would NEVER fly over there. They'd look at you much in the same manner as if I started playing Waltz in a Pentecostal church. If we all serve the same God, and these chords are 'anointed' by Him...wouldn't they transcend all barriers? It's sort of like Kirk's take on prosperity preaching...if the same prosperity message preached in Atlanta can't be preached in Uganda, is it really the Biblical definition of prosperity?

Like I said...just a question.

[LaylaMonroe]

He must not have been a musician

I have no idea. I can find out, if it matters enough. 

Before you read this, PLEASE note that this is just a simple, honest inquiry. I am not presenting this as fact, law, gospel, blasting, calling out or anything...it's just a simple inquiry.

I don't know...I honestly think that the things church folk label "Anointed" are actually just sounds they've been conditioned to really like. I've done some services at Churches that aren't predominantly pentecostal/apostolic or whatever...and the same progressions that would send the Churches that ARE predominantly pentecostal/apostolic into a crazy fit of worship without fail would NEVER fly over there. They'd look at you much in the same manner as if I started playing Waltz in a Pentecostal church. If we all serve the same God, and these chords are 'anointed' by Him...wouldn't they transcend all barriers? It's sort of like Kirk's take on prosperity preaching...if the same prosperity message preached in Atlanta can't be preached in Uganda, is it really the Biblical definition of prosperity?

Like I said...just a question.

Is there a such thing as an "anointed chord" or "anointed progressions"???  I've never heard of such a thing.

I'm not sure I can do any justice to your question, but I think the point here is that there is a sound that can be played by anointed musicians to set captives free, to destroy yokes, to heal, to deliver, to liberate. I don't know if that sound has as much to do with certain chords or progressions as it does with purity of spirit, humility, dedication of the gift to God, and seeking Him in prayer.

And again, I think (in my limited knowledge) that's what Supt. Simmons was getting at.