As a keyboardist how does this make you feel?

[davidenoch]

Man.....I'm really indifferent about this..I guess my concern goes out to all the beginner musicans that are attempting to interpret the song to only receive "12 lashes" for playing it wrong...However, i can see his side also..One of my musician mentors told me that if youre ever playing someone else song try your best to learn it in its original form......

[T-Block]

This dude is sensitive about his music, LOL. If you care at all about learning it the right way, this is the guy to learn it from, since he did come up with it.

I don't really see it as arrogance per se, I see it more as a "setting the record straight" kinda thing. It was a little harsh at times, but he did play the song and teach what he played. So, arrogance or not, he went above and beyond what he could've done.

Just take it for what it's worth.

[Metronome]

This dude is sensitive about his music, LOL. If you care at all about learning it the right way, this is the guy to learn it from, since he did come up with it.

I don't really see it as arrogance per se, I see it more as a "setting the record straight" kinda thing. It was a little harsh at times, but he did play the song and teach what he played. So, arrogance or not, he went above and beyond what he could've done.

Just take it for what it's worth.

Truth...

But the whole never heard it the smae way twice thing is kinda off.....when i first was transitioning from drums to organ i had a gig hittin with Dorinda Clark on drums...fill in local type of thing....keyboardists definitely had to play it note for note...but for other stuff ive seen different

[sjonathan02]

Truth...

But the whole never heard it the smae way twice thing is kinda off.....when i first was transitioning from drums to organ i had a gig hittin with Dorinda Clark on drums...fill in local type of thing....keyboardists definitely had to play it note for note...but for other stuff ive seen different

And that's what I'm sayin'. 

[jude63]

the dude can play......and he actually plays it better than all the other versions I've heard (its his).....its ok if people want to show off, if youre that good then its ok, hehe

[Ramar]

I hope other songwriters/professional musicians follow suit... well without the arrogance.... well actually I don't mind, as long as they take the time to break down the songs, because he is correct in saying that there are a lot of musicians playing it wrong, and teaching others the wrong chords.



Now if Tye's piano player can just break down I Made It Through.... he can call me tone-deaf, pitch blind, or whatever... just show me the song!!

[mjl422]

IMO, his assertion that just because it's not being played like the original, it's wrong is closed minded.  I can't tell you how many times I've heard musicians and artists change songs for various reasons.  Think about how many different versions of Total Praise we've heard over the years.  Just because they aren't done like the original, don't mean they are wrong. 

There's no way you're gonna tell me he plays every song exactly like the CD.  Part of the joy of being a musician is being able to express yourself and to add your flavor to the song (as long as you are staying true to the intent of the artist you are working with).  I just say to each his own.

[robdown]

Hey....As a keyboardist(beginner, intermidiant or advanced) how does this post make you feel?

it makes me feel inadequate and lacking


sikenaw...i didn't have a problem with it, wish more pros would take the time to do vids like this.

[The Black Surfer]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Dude get over yourself!!lol I want people to put their own twist on anything i do!!
This video is ALL about the attitude lol Get ya ego in check bruh! Love yallz!

[chevonee]

I've been around musicians like this too and it always made me feel inferior but you know at some point every good musician will have to deal with a guy like this. It's how you deal with it that will determine if you ever get where you're trying to go as a musician. I agree with Sjon's first post he could have used a better attitude but oh well.

[musallio]

Well, I guess the guy was angry at fact that people aren't taking the time to make his work what he intended it to be--but I understand why the people don't play it like the original & if it sounds better it's fine.
The noble thing about him is he's not just shouting, but he is correcting the mistakes he sees.

I'm sure many cats here have a very scary side someone junior to them in their music team always experiences because the cat gets annoyed at every note mis-hit etc ?? (is that you?)

Back at home we had a recording artist: He would play any recorded song as is or better most of the time, but he'd always stress to the choir that a song has to be performed AT THE SAME LEVEL OF EXCELLENCE IF NOT BETTER.
He would willingly show us his songs, Imagine Me & tons other songs

I can only pick up someone's attitude once I've seen some patterns- so let's thank the cat for unpacking the chord to others

[musiqisme26]

If ya'll met nate in person i dont think his attitude would be in question, he is actually a very nice.

he said some folks are teaching the song wrong and if he wants to teach it right say thank you if you wanna learn it and if not then why even search for it......

as a keyboardist/organist this should make feel like if i cant reproduce this song note for note then i need to practice.

[churchyreal]

If ya'll met nate in person i dont think his attitude would be in question, he is actually a very nice.

he said some folks are teaching the song wrong and if he wants to teach it right say thank you if you wanna learn it and if not then why even search for it......

as a keyboardist/organist this should make feel like if i cant reproduce this song note for note then i need to practice.

But I thought music, particuarly in the church setting, was about being creative, not about having to basically "reproduce" someone else's music.

[musiqisme26]

But I thought music, particuarly in the church setting, was about being creative, not about having to basically "reproduce" someone else's music.

then dont play this song, write and produce your own songs by being creative...........if you want make some changes to any song cool but how can you do that without knowing the basics of its core form?

[4hisglory]

The art of note for note reproduction of songs in the church really isn't practical because.....

1.  Skill level - A lot of times, people playing on these CDs are professionals, so a non-professional isn't going to be at the same level.
2.  The Band - Songs on a CD have a full band. So reproducing the song with just an Organist or Pianist and drumming isn't really practical.

The guy makes a good point, but just comes off so arrogant.

[churchyreal]

The art of note for note reproduction of songs in the church really isn't practical because.....

1.  Skill level - A lot of times, people playing on these CDs are professionals, so a non-professional isn't going to be at the same level.
2.  The Band - Songs on a CD have a full band. So reproducing the song with just an Organist or Pianist and drumming isn't really practical.

The guy makes a good point, but just comes off so arrogant.

That's exactly my point!

[sjonathan02]

The art of note for note reproduction of songs in the church really isn't practical because.....

1.  Skill level - A lot of times, people playing on these CDs are professionals, so a non-professional isn't going to be at the same level.
2.  The Band - Songs on a CD have a full band. So reproducing the song with just an Organist or Pianist and drumming isn't really practical.

The guy makes a good point, but just comes off so arrogant.

He wasn't talking about 'in church' he was talking about folks who SWEAR they have the chords to such and such a song, but are playing the song wrong.

[musallio]

He wasn't talking about 'in church' he was talking about folks who SWEAR they have the chords to such and such a song, but are playing the song wrong.

Exactly- Now lets end it here!
In which case he has every right to be "fuming" because you don't have it until it sounds like it ought to!

I'm sure he doesn't mind me trying it at church & getting a few chords/ notes wrong, but if I'm performing or jamming with the guys & tell them I have it under my hands- I really don't until I can mimic it.

ps:
Remember malthumb's comments though

[4hisglory]

He wasn't talking about 'in church' he was talking about folks who SWEAR they have the chords to such and such a song, but are playing the song wrong.

I went back an listen to the video again and to me, he was talking in general.  I've never (but it could be) seen someone on youtube that this is exactly how it is played.

I still think his comments are off.  If some brought the sheet music to the song, would it be exactly like he played it?  When people buy fake books/real books like in jazz, you will never see the composer jumping up and down saying this isn't how its played.

But you do see people criticizing folks all the time on youtube for just trying to help people out.

[JazzJunkie]

I went back an listen to the video again and to me, he was talking in general.  I've never (but it could be) seen someone on youtube that this is exactly how it is played.

I still think his comments are off.  If some brought the sheet music to the song, would it be exactly like he played it?  When people buy fake books/real books like in jazz, you will never see the composer jumping up and down saying this isn't how its played.

But you do see people criticizing folks all the time on youtube for just trying to help people out.

No the sheet music don't have it note for note because I purchase the Souled Out Songbook. Some of those licks he was doing was covered up in the cd because u had alot of instruments playing,The brass was really dominant in this song.If it was just piano playing then yea I can say u should be able to get lick for lick.