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Totally agree with you bruh, and no, you're not the only one who didn't see anything wrong with the clip. See my post right above yours.  And I think Musiqisme is in agreement also. I just don't think dude should've had to ask so many times. Not to mention, we don't know what took place prior to the clip. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he had already built up a frustration, having gone back and forth with the musicians for the entire service. I've seen that too many times myself. How many times does the person in the mic say "break it down" and they don't really break it down? Most, if not all, of us have witnessed or seen a clip of a musicians just getting lost in the instrument and not paying a bit of attention to where the service is going or what the preacher wants. Anyway, like BBG said, music can be a hindrance if the musicians aren't in synch. Very good point, Teej. I, for one, was thinking they could just press a button and BOOM... strings. *shrug* Glad you mentioned that. I didn't. If the musician had done what the speaker had asked him to do, things may have transpired a little differently. It's annoying and frustrating to be in the mic and there's fingernails on the chalkboard behind you (and I know first hand that that's exactly what it can feel like when the music isn't doing what you need it to do... it's a hindrance). His tone was probably what it was because he asked several times and got no response. People in ministry - not just musicians, either - need to learn to humble themselves, submit, go with the flow, follow the leader, and work together, and stop trying to be a single shining star. (Not saying these musicians were NOT doing any of these things... just speaking in general). A service is not the "Just Jack" Show. "Will and Grace"; srsly?  |
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2009, 06:45:11 PM » |
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Alright here are the sequence of events in the video.
2:20 only organist (no keys) playing speaker instructs to music to come down
2:25 asks for strings
2:31 asks for strings again
2:37 asks for strings again quickly
2:40 Intro of strings. Sounds like a Ep/String patch
2:55 says still doesn't hear strings
3:03 says they are too loud
3:44 says wants to hear more strings than organ
3:50 says he wishes they would hurry before the "anointing" leave and stop doing what you want to do and do what I ask you to
3:51 sounds like keys finally found a just string patch
4:28 says they are too loud
4:30 says they are too loud again
4:35 volume seems to drop quite a bit
4:58 tells musicians they are too loud again and tell to turn it down
5:55 tells drummer to stop
6:11 asks for more strings
6:25 asks for more strings
6:30 asks for more volume from strings again
7:38 asks for crash
Just a thought but, In a church this size there is a good chance that they only had a limited control over their volume in the house.
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I'm just up here for prop, the organist is doing most of the work.
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2009, 06:49:58 PM » |
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Ok, after reading that ^^^^^^ I'm gonna watch the vid again. I think I missed some things...
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2009, 06:55:17 PM » |
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Alright here are the sequence of events in the video.
2:20 only organist (no keys) playing speaker instructs to music to come down
2:25 asks for strings
2:31 asks for strings again
2:37 asks for strings again quickly
2:40 Intro of strings. Sounds like a Ep/String patch
2:55 says still doesn't hear strings
3:03 says they are too loud
3:44 says wants to hear more strings than organ
3:50 says he wishes they would hurry before the "anointing" leave and stop doing what you want to do and do what I ask you to
3:51 sounds like keys finally found a just string patch
4:28 says they are too loud
4:30 says they are too loud again
4:35 volume seems to drop quite a bit
4:58 tells musicians they are too loud again and tell to turn it down
5:55 tells drummer to stop
6:11 asks for more strings
6:25 asks for more strings
6:30 asks for more volume from strings again
7:38 asks for crash
Just a thought but, In a church this size there is a good chance that they only had a limited control over their volume in the house.
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2009, 07:07:23 PM » |
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I for one HATE when a speaker gets totally distracted by the music. I know that it's bothersome for it to not be right, but I don't want to hear you obsess about it continually, what is the Lord saying right now, and how come you're delaying it because the music or the mic is not to your liking? At what point do you either stop all music or SOMETHING so WE can move on? THAT is a pet peeve of mine.
It's not just music either, Pastors often will see something distracting or out of whack in the service and make it worse by drawing attention to it and then leaving the Word they were speaking, sometimes never getting back to what God was trying to say. I always tell ministers at my church, if we're live on the air, you have to keep going, I don't care if someone runs and turns a cartwheel across the back of the church, that's why you have people in place to handle things that come up, so that the enemy doesn't hinder the word that is going forth.
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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2009, 07:18:55 PM » |
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I for one HATE when a speaker gets totally distracted by the music. I know that it's bothersome for it to not be right, but I don't want to hear you obsess about it continually, what is the Lord saying right now, and how come you're delaying it because the music or the mic is not to your liking? At what point do you either stop all music or SOMETHING so WE can move on? THAT is a pet peeve of mine.
It's not just music either, Pastors often will see something distracting or out of whack in the service and make it worse by drawing attention to it and then leaving the Word they were speaking, sometimes never getting back to what God was trying to say. I always tell ministers at my church, if we're live on the air, you have to keep going, I don't care if someone runs and turns a cartwheel across the back of the church, that's why you have people in place to handle things that come up, so that the enemy doesn't hinder the word that is going forth.
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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2009, 07:53:36 PM » |
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Im thinking he was really trying to avoid to typical shout after type of protocol some us have been subject to not once did he rebuke them, nor did he take an overly aggressive tone with and he said perfectly clear in the mic there is a problem and u guys are the only ones who can fix it, probably the truest thing he said all night  @SirTJ, I find it highly unlikely that the musician in this clip did not know where strings were for 2 reasons #1 He was playing strings at the very beginning #2 you usually would find these 3 boards in a church, the fantom, motif, and or triton and they all have a category buttons @churchyreal, i didnt have a problem with him and how he addressed the musicians bcuz he wanted something and shouldve got it in a timely fashion #1 as pointed out already the musicians werent following his lead, thats like church musicianship 101 (something they dont teach on most of these dvds) #2 i have personally seen way worse like just stop playing and im from the old cogic so most times they could and would kick you off during service and play themselves |
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2009, 08:02:10 PM » |
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I understand what everyone's saying but I still say that it's not about what you say but HOW you say it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2009, 08:22:52 PM » |
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I understand what everyone's saying but I still say that it's not about what you say but HOW you say it.
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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2009, 08:39:31 PM » |
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I for one HATE when a speaker gets totally distracted by the music. I know that it's bothersome for it to not be right, but I don't want to hear you obsess about it continually, what is the Lord saying right now, and how come you're delaying it because the music or the mic is not to your liking? At what point do you either stop all music or SOMETHING so WE can move on? THAT is a pet peeve of mine.
It's not just music either, Pastors often will see something distracting or out of whack in the service and make it worse by drawing attention to it and then leaving the Word they were speaking, sometimes never getting back to what God was trying to say. I always tell ministers at my church, if we're live on the air, you have to keep going, I don't care if someone runs and turns a cartwheel across the back of the church, that's why you have people in place to handle things that come up, so that the enemy doesn't hinder the word that is going forth.
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2009, 08:46:38 PM » |
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It's always been that way.
Honestly, it can depend on one's level of sensitivity as to whether or not someone is being disrespectful.
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2009, 08:49:40 PM » |
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Alright here are the sequence of events in the video.
2:20 only organist (no keys) playing speaker instructs to music to come down
2:25 asks for strings
2:31 asks for strings again
2:37 asks for strings again quickly
2:40 Intro of strings. Sounds like a Ep/String patch
2:55 says still doesn't hear strings
3:03 says they are too loud
3:44 says wants to hear more strings than organ
3:50 says he wishes they would hurry before the "anointing" leave and stop doing what you want to do and do what I ask you to
3:51 sounds like keys finally found a just string patch
4:28 says they are too loud
4:30 says they are too loud again
4:35 volume seems to drop quite a bit
4:58 tells musicians they are too loud again and tell to turn it down
5:55 tells drummer to stop
6:11 asks for more strings
6:25 asks for more strings
6:30 asks for more volume from strings again
7:38 asks for crash
Just a thought but, In a church this size there is a good chance that they only had a limited control over their volume in the house.
Ok, I guess I must've missed 3:50 the first time around. I heard/saw it just now, but missed it before. That's a hot mess. That's all I'll say about that. I still stand by everything else I've said. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2009, 08:52:12 PM » |
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as a "synthesist" that that can flow "orchestrally" (made-up word)in the spirit(i never say that, but....)  i can say that Dude was not in the wrong. I saw what dude wanted, and I can see what he didnt get. Those cats either didnt know how to flow there, or they were too slow, or they didnt know the boards they were on. at my church i have a a 4-keyboard rig, with a bunch o' modules and an MV8000.(mpc clone) Should the mood of the service calls for that stringy thing, i can get to it quick. Shoot, i could get to it with one keyboard, cuz i kno my axe. I can understand where he was comin from with wanting strings at that time, cuz that's his choice of ministry music, just as many preachers INSIST on that hammond when its time to whoop, or playina bunch of minor and diminished chords during a time of spiritual warfare. gotta look at it like military, you on post, commander needs mortar fire, and you firin your assault rifle. You off. the cats was too slow. reaction time was too slow. when the strings came in all big, it sounded like dude was sayin "ok practitioner of the art of ninjitsu, you want strings? HERE." my two food stamps. (or mebbe 2 swipes from the EBT card?) |
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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2009, 08:59:51 PM » |
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Lessons for Posting on a Message Board #456: always watch the entire video before commenting.
Okay, I guess my ADD got in the way or something... I dunno. But I'm just listening to the whole thing (I really thought I had watched it all before I posted, but I guess I got distracted and didn't finish). MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS DO I SEE WHAT NESSA IS TALKING ABOUT... and MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS am I just annoyed in general.
I'm really going to do my best to keep my opinions to myself, where it doesn't relate to the topic at hand. But I want to add in there that this dude is too young to be talking to people that way. Seriously.
I'm modifying my original opinion. I stand by what I said about the fact that he shouldn't have had to ask so many times, and mostly everything else I said. However, I do think Brian went way too far. I'm disgusted. And to add to that, Brian has changed a lot since his younger days. I can't see the 17-year old Brian Carn doing what I just saw this 21- or 22-year old Brian doing.
My bottom line: I understand his frustration. It was clear that the musicians weren't giving him what he asked for. He had a right to be ticked. But, none of that had to be said in the mic. It was an abuse of authority, and I. HATE. WHEN. CHURCH. LEADERS. ABUSE. THEIR. AUTHORITY!!!!!! UGH!!! HATE IT! HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!!!!!!
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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2009, 09:52:10 PM » |
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Sometimes as a musician, you think you have an idea of what the preacher wants, and where service is or about to go, so a lil help in course correction is fine. But again, these cats were mad slow in their response. And I would not be offended by what he said. He asked SEVERAL times
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2009, 10:10:01 PM » |
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as a "synthesist" that that can flow "orchestrally" (made-up word)in the spirit(i never say that, but....) i can say that Dude was not in the wrong. I saw what dude wanted, and I can see what he didnt get. Those cats either didnt know how to flow there, or they were too slow, or they didnt know the boards they were on. at my church i have a a 4-keyboard rig, with a bunch o' modules and an MV8000.(mpc clone) Should the mood of the service calls for that stringy thing, i can get to it quick. Shoot, i could get to it with one keyboard, cuz i kno my axe. I can understand where he was comin from with wanting strings at that time, cuz that's his choice of ministry music, just as many preachers INSIST on that hammond when its time to whoop, or playina bunch of minor and diminished chords during a time of spiritual warfare. gotta look at it like military, you on post, commander needs mortar fire, and you firin your assault rifle. You off. the cats was too slow. reaction time was too slow. when the strings came in all big, it sounded like dude was sayin "ok practitioner of the art of ninjitsu, you want strings? HERE." my two food stamps. (or mebbe 2 swipes from the EBT card?) This. Lessons for Posting on a Message Board #456: always watch the entire video before commenting.
Okay, I guess my ADD got in the way or something... I dunno. But I'm just listening to the whole thing (I really thought I had watched it all before I posted, but I guess I got distracted and didn't finish). MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS DO I SEE WHAT NESSA IS TALKING ABOUT... and MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS am I just annoyed in general.
I'm really going to do my best to keep my opinions to myself, where it doesn't relate to the topic at hand. But I want to add in there that this dude is too young to be talking to people that way. Seriously.
I'm modifying my original opinion. I stand by what I said about the fact that he shouldn't have had to ask so many times, and mostly everything else I said. However, I do think Brian went way too far. I'm disgusted. And to add to that, Brian has changed a lot since his younger days. I can't see the 17-year old Brian Carn doing what I just saw this 21- or 22-year old Brian doing.
My bottom line: I understand his frustration. It was clear that the musicians weren't giving him what he asked for. He had a right to be ticked. But, none of that had to be said in the mic. It was an abuse of authority, and I. HATE. WHEN. CHURCH. LEADERS. ABUSE. THEIR. AUTHORITY!!!!!! UGH!!! HATE IT! HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!!!!!!
So, you don't like it, huh? Sometimes as a musician, you think you have an idea of what the preacher wants, and where service is or about to go, so a lil help in course correction is fine. But again, these cats were mad slow in their response. And I would not be offended by what he said. He asked SEVERAL times
This is an interesting post because I believe most of us see the dichotomy of the situation: Dude was not getting what he wanted at a particular moment during the service (as Wolfie stated 'no different than a preacher wantin' the organist to rev up during their whoop); dude did NOT have to put cats on blast like that. Bottom line, there's a lesson for EVERYONE in this video. Let's make sure we get that lesson and do better at our particular houses of worship.   |
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2009, 10:54:08 PM » |
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This is an interesting post because I believe most of us see the dichotomy of the situation: Dude was not getting what he wanted at a particular moment during the service (as Wolfie stated 'no different than a preacher wantin' the organist to rev up during their whoop); dude did NOT have to put cats on blast like that. Bottom line, there's a lesson for EVERYONE in this video. Let's make sure we get that lesson and do better at our particular houses of worship. The lesson for me is that when a guest preacher makes his way to the podium, I'm making my way to the pew. |
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2009, 11:52:15 PM » |
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The lesson for me is that when a guest preacher makes his way to the podium, I'm making my way to the pew. you gets a offerin envelope for that, rite there. |
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