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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 06:40:25 AM »
So which have more attitude per person in your experience...musicians, church leadership or singers?
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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2009, 02:20:42 PM »
So which have more attitude per person in your experience...musicians, church leadership or singers?

Eish, this is a tough one- I think each geographic region has it' own climax- But overall in my experience, the serious competition is between church leadership & singers. Instrumentalists are normally very humble- you get the odd few of course.
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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2009, 04:13:14 PM »
I think sometimes it's the leaders under the senior pastor/minister who tend to get the swelled head...you know what they say about a little power...

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 04:34:32 PM »
So which have more attitude per person in your experience...musicians, church leadership or singers?

In my experience, it's musicians. They are under the impression that the ministry will just completely collapse if they were to leave. And, sometimes, church leadership acts that way towards them.  :-\
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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 08:57:37 PM »
So which have more attitude per person in your experience...musicians, church leadership or singers?

All 3 equally  ;)

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2009, 12:20:57 AM »
All 3 equally  ;)


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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2009, 01:10:28 AM »
In my experience, it's musicians. They are under the impression that the ministry will just completely collapse if they were to leave. And, sometimes, church leadership acts that way towards them.  :-\

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2009, 06:06:07 PM »
Can the church say amen, reminds of a story about this worship team at a fellow church, they were good they had the band, the singers, the dancers.  they brought in the members, but got a tour deal, so the entire team left of course with his blessing but left him hangin.  thats why our pastor always minister to that our ministry is to bring worship to make worship please to the members and to up lift God and to make the ground easy for the word to be brought

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2009, 06:33:55 AM »
Bruhs and sistahs,

Just a lil thang here...
I guess you will have that problem whenever humans have to work together, regardless the cause.
Humans get proud, jealous... they want recognition... want to be important.
This attitude is dragged into every area of live.
On the workfloor, in the social circles and also in church.
Just be patient with those who show that kind of behaviour.
Because fact of the matter is that the body needs hands, feet, eyes, ears, lungs and heart. None of the parts are obsolete, they're all necessary.

I'm a musician, and sometimes I really have to fight that feeling of pride that wants to rise above the ceiling when everybody who walks up to you talks about your beautiful playing. That used to be the reason I didn't want to play, because I felt I couldn't contain my pride if everyone looked at me as "WOW, that musician". Now I can, thank God for that. Usually I just blush (you can't see it because of my choco-colored skin, but i do) and say "I do my best" or "I try"... just to make it sound like i don't think of myself as "all that" or as a musician at all for that matter, just as a kid who smacks the keys from time to time. I'm still growing out of that false shyness, I know I shouldn't be ashamed for hearing compliments and I should just be able to say "thank you" when receiving compliments when I realize that I am ultimately representing God.

People look up to musicians, partially because of the technical difficulties of the trade, but mostly because of the fact that everybody loves music. You get the party going, you throw something in the mix that makes people want to dance!!! And don't underestimate the power of music. It is a STRONG weapon, so think about that... where does that put musicians?!? Sometimes we do kinda forget who we're doing this for, I guess.

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2009, 11:53:59 AM »
And don't underestimate the power of music. It is a STRONG weapon, so think about that... where does that put musicians?!? Sometimes we do kinda forget who we're doing this for, I guess.

It puts us on the front lines, IMO...

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2009, 07:55:36 AM »
Good Morning, I dont post much but I felt I needed to respond. I have been looking at my own attitude as a songwriter and singer and have found that as long as I stay focused on the fact that Jesus sees not only the bad things I do and say but the GOOD things and He does not forget my labor of Love shown toward the saints, and the fact that I am totally loved by God , He has my back. I like everyone else am always tempted in pride, but I purpose to do what the scripture says " I esteem others better than myself" ( MOST ARE!!! LOL)My fellow psalmists and worship leaders You are all blessed to have a heart to lead people into the very throne room of God!!! Be encouraged and keep Praying and meditating on the Word!!! That voice of pride will begin to diminish. Mine is a 6 now, down from a 10. God Bless
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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2009, 07:27:31 PM »
Bruhs and sistahs,

Just a lil thang here...
I guess you will have that problem whenever humans have to work together, regardless the cause.
Humans get proud, jealous... they want recognition... want to be important.
This attitude is dragged into every area of live.
On the workfloor, in the social circles and also in church.
Just be patient with those who show that kind of behaviour.
Because fact of the matter is that the body needs hands, feet, eyes, ears, lungs and heart. None of the parts are obsolete, they're all necessary.

I'm a musician, and sometimes I really have to fight that feeling of pride that wants to rise above the ceiling when everybody who walks up to you talks about your beautiful playing. That used to be the reason I didn't want to play, because I felt I couldn't contain my pride if everyone looked at me as "WOW, that musician". Now I can, thank God for that. Usually I just blush (you can't see it because of my choco-colored skin, but i do) and say "I do my best" or "I try"... just to make it sound like i don't think of myself as "all that" or as a musician at all for that matter, just as a kid who smacks the keys from time to time. I'm still growing out of that false shyness, I know I shouldn't be ashamed for hearing compliments and I should just be able to say "thank you" when receiving compliments when I realize that I am ultimately representing God.

People look up to musicians, partially because of the technical difficulties of the trade, but mostly because of the fact that everybody loves music. You get the party going, you throw something in the mix that makes people want to dance!!! And don't underestimate the power of music. It is a STRONG weapon, so think about that... where does that put musicians?!? Sometimes we do kinda forget who we're doing this for, I guess.

I deal with this all the time. Being the only musician at my church and music is such a heavy aspect of my church can make you feel prideful especially if you have to miss a Sunday. I try to stay as humble as possible without becoming abass (basically meaning that I don't care). I think this is something that good preachers have to fight as well as the preaching is what draws many people to a particular church.

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2009, 09:01:25 PM »
I deal with this all the time. Being the only musician at my church and music is such a heavy aspect of my church can make you feel prideful especially if you have to miss a Sunday. I try to stay as humble as possible without becoming abass (basically meaning that I don't care). I think this is something that good preachers have to fight as well as the preaching is what draws many people to a particular church.

Uh, could you please find the definition of that word for me, please and thank you.  :)
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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2009, 07:51:32 PM »
Uh, could you please find the definition of that word for me, please and thank you.  :)

The word I meant was abase and that is when you become too humble to a point where you are so apathetic and don't care and don't take proper pride in what you do.

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2009, 09:48:15 PM »
The word I meant was abase and that is when you become too humble to a point where you are so apathetic and don't care and don't take proper pride in what you do.

Ok. Better. :)
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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2009, 06:59:05 AM »
I was talking to my former MOM yesteday;LORD has healed his voice and spirit!!!!!Amen!!!!! So he goes to the "pastor" says he is ready to come back,but insists on some changes.He asks that this church support him with MORE than lip service!!!!!Like some equipment,$$$$$ to pay a few servants,helpers-in DECENT order.btw-Darrell has SERVED there 9 years.

Response?"oh NOOOOOO,we're NOT into that" ;we want "servants(read servile,slaves)". We have NOOOO money,yada,yada,yada!! BUT!!!!!they did find $8k for sand for an (largely)unused volleybal area.Poor little churc  !!!!!so sad,didn't have $200 for some mics,but we need that Sand!!!!

What an example of whoring exhibited from the "leader"-superpimp the flock.Take the gifts of his "flock" and put it on da street for his glory INstead of CHRIST's!!!

This is the attitude from the top down that is destroying many's faith-people see this;don't want any more of "that"religion.

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2009, 07:18:48 PM »
$8000...REALLY??!! It looks like only a couple of truckloads. Should I ask Pastor Lester about it?

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2009, 02:44:30 AM »
my brothers/sisters, once we realize that music itself is not a ministry (see Eph 4, God gave us 5 gifts of ministry) and that's it's an accompanyment to the Word, then we can really put "self" into the proper perspective. Then we can realize that every department, the music department included, has been established for the support of the spoken Word of God, to further set the atmosphere for worship. To till the ground, if you will. Every department in itself is a vital part of a worship service, but they all equally undergird (sorry for spelling) God's message, which ultimaly is The Most Vital Part of Service. Only the deliverance of God's Word is Ministry. I pray you all keep your focus on Praising God and Edifying the saints!! We all need each other, worldwide, we are Christians!!! We are all parts of ONE body. Let's go forth in worship!! AMEN!! ;D

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2009, 02:07:39 PM »
Wise words - and I agree, the Word should be front and center - but if ministry is defined as serving, then music is a part of that - getting people into praise and worship, to welcome the presence of God.

IMO charity/outreach/visitation, Sunday School, Bible study, ushering, sound, etc. can also be seen as ministries...

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Re: The Music Ministry overall is messed up and full of pride
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2009, 04:40:02 PM »
my brothers/sisters, once we realize that music itself is not a ministry

I disagree with that. Music is definitely a ministry just like the Word is. Why? Because used the right way it accomplishes the same thing as spoken word.
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