Questions about salvation and the Holy Ghost

[sjonathan02]

I think we stress the details too much.  You followed the mandate by being baptized.  The rest is God's part.  After being baptized, pray, read the Word, forgive, show love, do your very best to walk uprightly before Him and everything will be alright.

If you get baptized today and Jesus comes tomorrow, and you haven't received the Holy Ghost, do you think He'd say "sorry, you can't get in"?   

Do your best to walk with God and everything else will fall into place.

Agreed.

Amen and "BWUAHAHAHAHA" and all that.

Funny dude. 

[csedwards2]

No and
No

[funkStrat_97]

If you get baptized today and Jesus comes tomorrow, and you haven't received the Holy Ghost, do you think He'd say "sorry, you can't get in"?   

Romans 8:9 -

You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

[gtrdave]

Romans 8:9 -

You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Acts 16:31 - They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household."

[blessedwoman]

Don't remember which question it is, but IRT the question about he holy ghost....I believe

Once you accept Jesus Christ into your life, the FREE gift of holy spirit has been given to you..BUT not everyone has opened the gift or better yet uses the gift that has been given to them. It's like somebody handing you a birthday gift, you receiving it, but you never open it up to see what's inside.

Unfortunately there are a lot of saints that fall into that category   That's why some saints are in the same spiritual state they were in years ago. No Growth, no elevation

[SirTJ]

I've never believed tongues, or the lack of, were evident of one's having or not having the Holy Spirit. If I live the rest of my life believing the Bible to be true (specifically 1 Cor. 12:30 and Romans 3:28), I never will. I think people see it as something that's supposed to happen every time when in the Bible, it's not something that happened every time. That's like expecting an Azusa Street breakout at every revival you attend. There are several accounts of people being spirit-filled, yet no tongue mentioned. Jesus himself was led to the wilderness by the spirit - no mention of a tongue.

As I heard John Piper say, there's a reason Paul spent the betterment of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14 trying to minimize tongues rather than mazimize, and it's because of the difficulties they cause in the church, such as people having their salvation brought into question by both themselves and others.

I wanted to elaborate, but I have a class to get to.

[Skizo Frene]

Romans 8:9 -

You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Words of Jesus:

Mark 16: 15-16

15   And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16   He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


One thing I LOVE about Jesus' teachings: So simple.   

[jjblack]

Words of Jesus:

Mark 16: 15-16

15   And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16   He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


One thing I LOVE about Jesus' teachings: So simple.   

Sounds simple, but are we missing something. It says SHALL be saved. Future tense. Is there instant salvation after you come up out of the water of baptism, or is there more.

Why doesn't it say "He that believeth and is baptized IS saved" ???

To me it would seem that something happens between "the believing, the baptism" and " the being saved." 

[LaylaMonroe]

Sounds simple, but are we missing something. It says SHALL be saved. Future tense. Is there instant salvation after you come up out of the water of baptism, or is there more.

Why doesn't it say "He that believeth and is baptized IS saved" ???

To me it would seem that something happens between "the believing, the baptism" and " the being saved." 

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JJB!!!! I've missed you so much, dude! How the heck have you been? How's VA? How's the fam? PM me so we can catch up! Yayyyy!!!! I'm so happy to see you! You just made my day! 

[Skizo Frene]

Sounds simple, but are we missing something. It says SHALL be saved. Future tense. Is there instant salvation after you come up out of the water of baptism, or is there more.

Why doesn't it say "He that believeth and is baptized IS saved" ???

To me it would seem that something happens between "the believing, the baptism" and " the being saved." 

Semantics.   

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"....

Meaning, when the rapture takes place you shall be saved.  It doesn't imply that there's another step. 

Jesus was speaking to the disciples in that verse, and He wouldn't give them step one and not give them step two.  He said exactly what He meant.

Again, it's SIMPLE.

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

SIMPLE!!!!

[nessalynn77]

I love you fam, and I just have no "debate" in me today, so I just thought I'd check and make sure no lock was needed, LOL!

[jjblack]

Semantics.   

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"....

Meaning, when the rapture takes place you shall be saved.  It doesn't imply that there's another step. 

Jesus was speaking to the disciples in that verse, and He wouldn't give them step one and not give them step two.  He said exactly what He meant.

Again, it's SIMPLE.

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

SIMPLE!!!!

Totally agree with you. Semantics.

I am making a point that the "shall" points to a time period between baptism and being saved.

You say "when the rapture takes place you shall be saved". You reference the same space of time I do, unless we go straight to heaven out of the waters of baptism.

A space of time where we must work out our salvation.

Philippians 2:12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Salvation and being saved is goal that we work at everyday. I merely am pointing out our work doesn't end when we come up out the water.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

And the work is easier when using the power from on high...

I argue to argue so forgive me if I offend you.

[nessalynn77]

Totally agree with you. Semantics.

I am making a point that the "shall" points to a time period between baptism and being saved.

You say "when the rapture takes place you shall be saved". You reference the same space of time I do, unless we go straight to heaven out of the waters of baptism.

A space of time where we must work out our salvation.

Philippians 2:12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Salvation and being saved is goal that we work at everyday. I merely am pointing out our work doesn't end when we come up out the water.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

And the work is easier when using the power from on high...

I argue to argue so forgive me if I offend you.

So... you got ordained in your absence?   LOL, I kid... but good stuff.  Welcome back.

[Skizo Frene]

Sounds simple, but are we missing something.

I also said:

After being baptized, pray, read the Word, forgive, show love, do your very best to walk uprightly before Him and everything will be alright.

Wut r u implying we're missing?

[sjonathan02]

I've never believed tongues, or the lack of, were evident of one's having or not having the Holy Spirit. If I live the rest of my life believing the Bible to be true (specifically 1 Cor. 12:30 and Romans 3:28), I never will. I think people see it as something that's supposed to happen every time when in the Bible, it's not something that happened every time. That's like expecting an Azusa Street breakout at every revival you attend. There are several accounts of people being spirit-filled, yet no tongue mentioned. Jesus himself was led to the wilderness by the spirit - no mention of a tongue.

As I heard John Piper say, there's a reason Paul spent the betterment of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14 trying to minimize tongues rather than mazimize, and it's because of the difficulties they cause in the church, such as people having their salvation brought into question by both themselves and others.

I wanted to elaborate, but I have a class to get to.

This.

[sjonathan02]

Semantics.   

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"....

Meaning, when the rapture takes place you shall be saved.  It doesn't imply that there's another step. 

Jesus was speaking to the disciples in that verse, and He wouldn't give them step one and not give them step two.  He said exactly what He meant.

Again, it's SIMPLE.

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

SIMPLE!!!!

For some, simple can be too complicated.

[SirTJ]

For some, simple can be too complicated.

*Slaps Sjon with an 'Amen' stick*

YES LAWD!!!!!

[sjonathan02]

*Slaps Sjon with an 'Amen' stick*

YES LAWD!!!!!

*rubs arm*

Ouch! When did Dubs get back? 

[Skizo Frene]

For some, simple can be too complicated.

THIS.

[Docdb04]

1. Do you believe a person can be saved, but not sanctified?

Yes.

2. Do you believe that when a person receives salvation, they are automatically filled with the Holy Ghost at the same time they receive salvation?

No.

All that you have mentioned above (salvation, sanctification and the receiving of the Holy Ghost) is a choice.  The bible says, "Ask and it shall be given unto you, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be open."  With that said, you can have one without the other, because it is your choice.  Many chose to be saved, but not sanctified.  Many will chose to be sanctified and not filled.