8yr Old Expelled from School for drawing a picture of Jesus

[kodacolor]

8ry old expelled from school for drawing a picture of Jesus

 

[under13]

I knew you'd be posting this.

One thing I noticed about some people is that they believe that Jesus is the son of God, but cant accept that he was brutally beaten and crucified.

[docjohn]

a portense of things to come;the government is reaching out to stand against CHRIST-Especially in schools!Funny how an 8 year old "challenged"child has a better grasp of reality than the educators.

Must have been some political heat for the mayor to jump in.

[nessalynn77]

Just like the devil thought crucifying Jesus was bringing an end to him, and actually ended up helping the plan of salvation... these people in their efforts to fight against Christ in schools, are actually helping spread the message of the cross and salvation.  The more they talk about it, the more people are confronted with their own personal choice.  That's a good thing.

[sjonathan02]

As an educator, I'd like to know what rule the child broke in order to be expelled in the first place.


Why did this go, immediately, to expulsion; why not simply a suspension (if an actual rule was in fact broken)?


 

[malthumb]

As an educator, I'd like to know what rule the child broke in order to be expelled in the first place.


Why did this go, immediately, to expulsion; why not simply a suspension (if an actual rule was in fact broken)?


 

EXACTLY!!!  The school and its principal need to be taken to task for this one.

Usually, I land on the side of agreeing with government sponsored / tax dollar supported institutions remaining neutral on issues of religion, but this is not neutral.....this is pure ANTI.

Now, as for Rev. Justin......I think a lot of what he says after the newsclip finished suffers from some gaping flaws in logic.  The thought that seeing a picture of Jesus on the cross would somehow send a message to non-believers that the sins of the world would need to be atoned is a huge leap.  It takes understanding of the life of Christ and his reason for being among us to make the point.  It won't happen with just one picture, so the thought that school officials conspired to prevent non-believers from seeing the picture because of what it would awaken in them is a bit of a stretch.

Also, his assertion that the only way to grow a church is to leave out the messages of the Cross, and that there are churches who do not teach to the lessons of the Cross had me shaking my head.  I do not know of any Christian who has been a Christian for at least a year who does not understand the significance of the Cross.  Between learnings at Christmas and especially Easter, the message of the Cross is clear.

But that's just me

[sjonathan02]

EXACTLY!!!  The school and its principal need to be taken to task for this one.

Usually, I land on the side of agreeing with government sponsored / tax dollar supported institutions remaining neutral on issues of religion, but this is not neutral.....this is pure ANTI.

Now, as for Rev. Justin......I think a lot of what he says after the newsclip finished suffers from some gaping flaws in logic.  The thought that seeing a picture of Jesus on the cross would somehow send a message to non-believers that the sins of the world would need to be atoned is a huge leap.  It takes understanding of the life of Christ and his reason for being among us to make the point.  It won't happen with just one picture, so the thought that school officials conspired to prevent non-believers from seeing the picture because of what it would awaken in them is a bit of a stretch.

Also, his assertion that the only way to grow a church is to leave out the messages of the Cross, and that there are churches who do not teach to the lessons of the Cross had me shaking my head.  I do not know of any Christian who has been a Christian for at least a year who does not understand the significance of the Cross.  Between learnings at Christmas and especially Easter, the message of the Cross is clear.

But that's just me

No, it's not. I'm definitely not 'feeling' the messenger.

[B3Wannabe]

No, it's not. I'm definitely not 'feeling' the messenger.

When I see someone that's close to my age or younger saying they're a pastor/bishop/apostle, I mentally distance myself, not mostly because I'm questioning their calling, but moreso their maturity. I question whether they have the mental and spiritual maturity, and social support system, to stand up against the attacks that will come against them. They don't have to be "perfect" but I don't want to be too close to anyone with those titles who is shaky. Leading God's people is a serious thing, and I don't want to be involved in any fallouts/controversies.

[under13]

I'm sure Pastor Justin will mature sooner or late...hopefully sooner. he has the right message for the most part, but needs to work on how he delivers it. I also didn't like how he once again addressed the unbelievers in negative way; telling them to leave the page, instead of inviting them to Christ.

[kmccray]

As an educator, I'd like to know what rule the child broke in order to be expelled in the first place.


Why did this go, immediately, to expulsion; why not simply a suspension (if an actual rule was in fact broken)?


 

This is so ridiculous.  I question those in authority and their motives.

[kodacolor]

Also, his assertion that the only way to grow a church is to leave out the messages of the Cross, and that there are churches who do not teach to the lessons of the Cross had me shaking my head.  I do not know of any Christian who has been a Christian for at least a year who does not understand the significance of the Cross.  Between learnings at Christmas and especially Easter, the message of the Cross is clear.

But that's just me

He wasn't saying that he believes that the cross should be left out in order to grow a church.  He saying what people said to him.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are churches that don't teach about the cross.  There are threads on this site about how some churches don't really teach about salvation.  (I'm sure I saw at least one thread or a few posts in a thread on that topic.)

I'm sure Pastor Justin will mature sooner or late...hopefully sooner. he has the right message for the most part, but needs to work on how he delivers it. I also didn't like how he once again addressed the unbelievers in negative way; telling them to leave the page, instead of inviting them to Christ.

I agree.

[sjonathan02]

When I see someone that's close to my age or younger saying they're a pastor/bishop/apostle, I mentally distance myself, not mostly because I'm questioning their calling, but moreso their maturity. I question whether they have the mental and spiritual maturity, and social support system, to stand up against the attacks that will come against them. They don't have to be "perfect" but I don't want to be too close to anyone with those titles who is shaky. Leading God's people is a serious thing, and I don't want to be involved in any fallouts/controversies.

+1

[malthumb]

He wasn't saying that he believes that the cross should be left out in order to grow a church.  He saying what people said to him.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are churches that don't teach about the cross.  There are threads on this site about how some churches don't really teach about salvation.  (I'm sure I saw at least one thread or a few posts in a thread on that topic.)...

I totally agree with the part in bold.  The way I posted may have implied that I thought otherwise.  Where I think his logic train jumps the track is in insinuating that some churches intentionally do not teach about the Cross because they think it will help their congregations grow by ignoring the need for absolution and abstaining from sin.  Someone would have to show me an example of such a CHRISTIAN church that ignores the Cross.  That's like conducting a fireman's training course for people who are afraid of heights.

[malthumb]

I'm sure Pastor Justin will mature sooner or late...hopefully sooner. he has the right message for the most part, but needs to work on how he delivers it. I also didn't like how he once again addressed the unbelievers in negative way; telling them to leave the page, instead of inviting them to Christ.

At first, I thought that I should not have posted my critiques, because of the point you make here (bold type).  But the further he went, the more concerned I became.  I am certainly impressed by his passion and his sincerity.  The problem is, his logic.  He is definitely trying to bring people to Christ, which is wonderful, especially for someone his age.

The problem (IMHO) is that if people come to the right place based on flawed reasoning, as soon as the flaws in reasoning are exposed, some of those who came in because of the charisma of the messenger will flee because the messenger will be exposed as being flawed.  Christ doesn't need hype, PR, or cheerleading.  Just exposure.

[sjonathan02]

At first, I thought that I should not have posted my critiques, because of the point you make here (bold type).  But the further he went, the more concerned I became.  I am certainly impressed by his passion and his sincerity.  The problem is, his logic.  He is definitely trying to bring people to Christ, which is wonderful, especially for someone his age.

The problem (IMHO) is that if people come to the right place based on flawed reasoning, as soon as the flaws in reasoning are exposed, some of those who came in because of the charisma of the messenger will flee because the messenger will be exposed as being flawed.  Christ doesn't need hype, PR, or cheerleading.  Just exposure.

*in my best ghetto*

Some of the realest stuff ever posted on LGM. Dat's real, son.

[Kenliano]

Well, if you want an example of a church that "ignores" the Cross, there's Lakewood, Joel Houston's church. I love their music, but how many times does Joel on his program actually go over how dirty we all are and how much we need Jesus's blood to cover us? People criticize him for that all the time. And his church is huge.

Yes, Pastor Justin's comment does seem like a leap in logic. But the fact is that people do indeed get offended by the Christian message of sin and the need for Saviour. Just because someone doesn't believe the message doesn't mean they don't have some exposure to it; and reacting to what they know, they can get offended. And that can be sparked by a picture, can't it?

~Ken

[nessalynn77]

That's Joel Osteen. 
 
Carry on...

[malthumb]

Well, if you want an example of a church that "ignores" the Cross, there's Lakewood, Joel Houston's church. I love their music, but how many times does Joel on his program actually go over how dirty we all are and how much we need Jesus's blood to cover us? People criticize him for that all the time. And his church is huge.

Yes, Pastor Justin's comment does seem like a leap in logic. But the fact is that people do indeed get offended by the Christian message of sin and the need for Saviour. Just because someone doesn't believe the message doesn't mean they don't have some exposure to it; and reacting to what they know, they can get offended. And that can be sparked by a picture, can't it?

~Ken

Ken,

Welcome to LGM!!!  Talk about jumpin' in with both feet!!  Well thought out post, my brother.  Again, where Pastor Justin's logic train leaps off the track is the suggestion that people not familiar with Christ will read that message into the picture.  If they are not familiar with Christ, they won't read anything into the picture.  If they are familiar with Christ, then they are responsible for their own interpretation.  If a CHRISTIAN is offended by the image of Christ on the Cross, then they don't have a solid foundation to call themselves Christian in the first place.

I'll go with your word on Joel Osteen and Lakewood.  I'm only sorta familiar with prosperity preaching and am not / was not aware that they don't do anything relative to teaching on the crucifixion.  I'm also not certain that this means they would be offended by the image.

Hope to see and hear a lot more of you here at LGM.

Peace,

James

[sjonathan02]

Well, if you want an example of a church that "ignores" the Cross, there's Lakewood, Joel Houston's church. I love their music, but how many times does Joel on his program actually go over how dirty we all are and how much we need Jesus's blood to cover us? People criticize him for that all the time. And his church is huge.

Yes, Pastor Justin's comment does seem like a leap in logic. But the fact is that people do indeed get offended by the Christian message of sin and the need for Saviour. Just because someone doesn't believe the message doesn't mean they don't have some exposure to it; and reacting to what they know, they can get offended. And that can be sparked by a picture, can't it?

~Ken

Welcome to LGM. 

That's Joel Osteen. 
 
Carry on...

 


Well, his church is in Houston. That counts for something, right?

[LaylaMonroe]

Well, if you want an example of a church that "ignores" the Cross, there's Lakewood, Joel Houston's church. I love their music, but how many times does Joel on his program actually go over how dirty we all are and how much we need Jesus's blood to cover us? People criticize him for that all the time. And his church is huge.

Yes, Pastor Justin's comment does seem like a leap in logic. But the fact is that people do indeed get offended by the Christian message of sin and the need for Saviour. Just because someone doesn't believe the message doesn't mean they don't have some exposure to it; and reacting to what they know, they can get offended. And that can be sparked by a picture, can't it?

~Ken

First of all, welcome to LGM.

Second of all, you're wrong and you're perpetuating hearsay. Joel Osteen does indeed talk about salvation through the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Not only does he talk about it, but his wife and mother, who also get "airtime" on the 60-minute version of their broadcast also talk about it.  I find that the only people who keep saying that about Lakewood are those who really don't watch the broadcast and heard someone else say it, so they pass it along as truth. I've personally heard Osteen talk about Jesus's birth, life, crucifixion, and resurrection with my own two ears.

I will admit that those who only watch the 30-minute program may not get to see a lot of that gospel teaching. I don't know because I usually catch the 60-minute one, which includes P&W, words from his mom or wife (sometimes both), his sermon, and a call to salvation and altar prayer. But either way, you can't determine the totality of a person's teaching based solely on what you see on TV (and surely not based on what you've heard other people say about what they saw or didn't see on TV).

*shrug*

And with that said, I guess I better go watch the video related to this thread.