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Offline QCdrummer

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Honestly this one is on you. If you were told you would get compensated and your money wasn't given to you when you got there AND no one approached you after the service you should have become the aggressor and gone up to whoever your contact person was and ask them who you need to speak to about getting your check.

Its not rude its business. In every industry when someone is supposed to be paid for something they will darn near sleep on your doorstep. Just see what happens when you don't pay one of your bills.

Some can do this, but I just don't chase people down for a little bit of money. Now for something major where I was due a nice amount, then I would have. But not in this situation, mainly because I know the Pastor. Not personally, but associately and he being a musician himself, I figured he would definitely take care of other musicians who he asked to play at his church.......The funny part is that for him, I would have played the service for free if he had just asked. Certainly not went to the rehearsal, but I would have just played the service if he had have come to me like a man. But to just lie and avoid people is just a shame.
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BEST THREAD EVER!!!! CRACKIN MY SIDE AT THE THINGS WE GO THROUGH!!!!!

If you've never had to stop playing because you were laughing so hard at this dude on the front row in a black leather, white pin stripe suit....with white cowboy boots on....then pulls out a 3/4 length mink coat at the end of service(i'm in Georgia by the way)....then you're not a real gospel musician

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I am one who can view this situation from both angles.  I was once a young, aspiring, upcoming, drummer in the DC area and when I would witness and hear about the kinds of things mentioned in this thread, I decided that I would hone my craft and just play at my home church where I didn't get paid anyway and it was never an issue.
 
I didn't want to put in the rehearsal time, gig time, gas and driving time only to be stiffed at the end.  I just didn't want to go through all that.  Now fast forward 20 years, I am the Treasurer/Bookkeeper for my church.  At our church musicians are treated as independent contractors (1099) or employees (W-2).  We run payroll on a monthly basis and musicians are told this upfront so there is no expectation to be paid following an event or service.  We have a flat rate for drummers, keyboard/organ/piano, guitar, and bass based on the rehearsal time, and event/service time.  

It doesn't matter how good you are or think you are.  The rate is what it is - there's no negotiating.  The Worship Department has an annual budget for spending from choir robes, hymnals, to musicians, etc.  It is the responsibility of the leader of this department to budget his/her programs accordingly.  However, in light of this statement, the budget means nothing if the funds/offerings don't come in or our lower than projected.  The sponsor of a particular program has to get their budget approved through the Worship Department before the event/service can take place.  If they are bringing in guest musicians, I require their W-9, W-4, etc. before checks can be cut.  

We don't mail checks because mail does get lost and can create a problem with having to void and re-issue checks.  My point in saying all this is that churches, ministries, Bishops and so forth are dishonoring God with this type of behavior.  It is downright wrong and they will be held accountable by God.  As some have said, in this economy giving is down in most churches.  If that is the case for a particular church, then they have some tough decisions to make.  Do I pay the church's utility bills and operating expenses or do I bring in an all-star band/group to sing 2 songs and roll out.  

In most cases, their going to pay their bills, and stiff the musicians if they have not planned carefully.  Churches who treat musicians or anyone who has been promised pay are bad managers/stewards of God's money.  Just this weekend, I was setting in the church office trying to figure out how we're going to pay the pastor, pay the musicians, and pay the bills.  It's a very tough position to be in, but the responsibility lies with the church.  

God bless you and keep doing what you're doing.  God will honor your sacrifice and your reward will be greater than a bounced check or an unfulfilled promise.

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very balanced bro!  can you list a pay range,by instrument?like btwn x+y $$$$$$ 

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NO RAP 50/hr and i give them a invoice and your EIN#....use all of your equipment be the first to rehersal/service wear all black no (tee shirts) dont play loud/or crazy fills (PLAY 100%) stay in service load and unload all of your own gear...once people know you for these type of work ethics then its not too hard to get descent money for your tym...this is if someone needs you to play @ a concert or additional service....but for church full tym...150-300 wk and have them gear you up......something cheap ie; x7 you bring your own cymbals until they can put a church setup together... ride hats couple crashes accent cymbal......its not the responsibilty of a church to give you the set up of your dreams....just we fuss at these catss for being not being resonable we have to exercise that also.......
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Bud if you mare a professional musician you need to look at every gig you do as a business transaction Christian or non, that being said; if you don't deal with the money side of things right from the very beginning then most Churches will just assume that you're coming out of the goodness of your heart....... When I get calls my first thing is thank you, ok well Im $150 per service and one practise can your Church handle that? If no and Im not busy then Ill come up with something for them but only if Im not busy!!!  ;D
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 ;D Best thread in a long time ! lol

If you've never had to threaten the deacons/trustees and tell them ' I'll be back , I'm going to my trunk' , you are not a real gospel musician .

If you've never been the head organist and came out on a Tuesday bible study only to find out that the guy sitting in on the keys is your replacement , you're not a real gospel musician.

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You probably should work in a late-payment clause, as well.

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Bud if you mare a professional musician you need to look at every gig you do as a business transaction Christian or non, that being said; if you don't deal with the money side of things right from the very beginning then most Churches will just assume that you're coming out of the goodness of your heart....... When I get calls my first thing is thank you, ok well Im $150 per service and one practise can your Church handle that? If no and Im not busy then Ill come up with something for them but only if Im not busy!!!  ;D

You been gone for a minute nice to see you on the forums my brotha from anotha motha.

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Bud if you mare a professional musician you need to look at every gig you do as a business transaction Christian or non, that being said; if you don't deal with the money side of things right from the very beginning then most Churches will just assume that you're coming out of the goodness of your heart....... When I get calls my first thing is thank you, ok well Im $150 per service and one practise can your Church handle that? If no and Im not busy then Ill come up with something for them but only if Im not busy!!!  ;D

Yeah I'm with on seeing things as a business. For me personally, I prefer to work with people and thier budgets.

Alot of times people will come to me because they don't feel like fighting with other musicians about money. And sometimes I'll get more than what is called for just because they liked my attitude........but once in a blue moon, this kind of attitude will get you burnt like what happened to me when I started this post. (Even though the situation has been resolved).

There was a point in my life where I was getting paid more than what I was worth. Yet God saw fit to bless me as if I were at a higher skill level than where I was at, at the time. So now that I've grown so much as a musician, I want to at sometimes work within budgets (playing for less) and being a blessing to others rather than come off up front negotiating fees.
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Yeah I'm with on seeing things as a business. For me personally, I prefer to work with people and thier budgets.

Alot of times people will come to me because they don't feel like fighting with other musicians about money. And sometimes I'll get more than what is called for just because they liked my attitude........but once in a blue moon, this kind of attitude will get you burnt like what happened to me when I started this post. (Even though the situation has been resolved).

There was a point in my life where I was getting paid more than what I was worth. Yet God saw fit to bless me as if I were at a higher skill level than where I was at, at the time. So now that I've grown so much as a musician, I want to at sometimes work within budgets (playing for less) and being a blessing to others rather than come off up front negotiating fees.

That's good.

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And always get paid before you play or might still walk out with nothing!!!!
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