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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #80 on: June 17, 2010, 07:09:31 AM »
your questions weren't really genuine


I disagree with you, but that doesn't make me less genuine


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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #81 on: June 17, 2010, 08:33:59 AM »
COGIC. IS. NOT. A. DE.NO.MI.NA.TION.

I just thought I'd throw that out there.

Thanks for the insight. 

Denomination, to me is still one of the many causes of division of the church.  We all proclaimed to be saved.  We all proclaim to follow Christ.  As a matter of fact, I think most of us strive to follow and serve God with all of our heart, soul and mind.  If our main goal is save the lost, then what is the purpose of being seperated by denomination.  True we may have different ways of reaching that goal, but the principle of the matter is still the same.  Ok so you interepret the scripture differently.  (For an anology) So you speak in tongues and I don't.  That is just an example of what the scripture says, "Being as one body, and hath many members." - 1 Cor. 12:12.

We have had many discussions on here talking about how do you know if you are saved.  Everyone of us had an answer according to our up bringing (traditions) and denomination.  That's when denomination is a problem. If one who isn't saved looks at the thread (not that many have not been saved by LGM), they will probably say, "They are so divided among themselves.  Why become a Christian if the next person will tell me I am not because I am not apart of that denomination."  Grant it, the discussion was good for us, for we learned something new, but the main goal may have been lost.         

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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #82 on: June 17, 2010, 09:10:04 AM »
Thanks for the insight. 

Denomination, to me is still one of the many causes of division of the church.  We all proclaimed to be saved.  We all proclaim to follow Christ.  As a matter of fact, I think most of us strive to follow and serve God with all of our heart, soul and mind.  If our main goal is save the lost, then what is the purpose of being seperated by denomination.  True we may have different ways of reaching that goal, but the principle of the matter is still the same.  Ok so you interepret the scripture differently.  (For an anology) So you speak in tongues and I don't.  That is just an example of what the scripture says, "Being as one body, and hath many members." - 1 Cor. 12:12.

We have had many discussions on here talking about how do you know if you are saved.  Everyone of us had an answer according to our up bringing (traditions) and denomination.  That's when denomination is a problem. If one who isn't saved looks at the thread (not that many have not been saved by LGM), they will probably say, "They are so divided among themselves.  Why become a Christian if the next person will tell me I am not because I am not apart of that denomination."  Grant it, the discussion was good for us, for we learned something new, but the main goal may have been lost.         

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Denomination is not a CAUSE OF division in the church, it is a RESULT of division. We are divided on issues and subjects that really DO matter, so we HAVE TO have denominations. So Christianity would be better off without denominations, huh? So let's do away with them, then. Let's all go to the same church, and do things the same way... no more denominations! Yay!

How on earth would you propose resolving (or dissolving) conflicting beliefs? Would you put Seventh Day Adventists and Catholics (they do consider themselves Christian) and Apostolics all in the same sanctuary? On which day would they worship? How long would the service be? How would the pastor be selected? How would communion be served? What would THEY teach regarding the reconciling of Acts 2:38 and Matthew 28:19? What would they teach about Mary? Matters of health? Glossolalia?

I mean, all this talk about hating denominations and how bad and useless they are... what's the solution? What's YOUR proposal? What's YOUR plan? This is like all the <insert political party of choice> fuss about what <insert president of choice> is doing wrong with no suggestion for how he should do it instead.

I'm not as worked up as I sound ;D; it just came out that way because I truly don't get it.  I don't understand what the anti-denomination people want.  *shrug*
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #83 on: June 17, 2010, 09:16:02 AM »
why so serious?

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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #84 on: June 17, 2010, 09:25:33 AM »
why so serious?

I'm not as worked up as I sound ;D

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I don't really think it's serious at all. I think it's silly, personally. It's a silly conversation (unless someone has a reasonable answer to this long-debated subject). It's just much ado about nothing, IMO.
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #85 on: June 17, 2010, 10:33:44 AM »
(Just a heads up, this is long)

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I have to respectfully disagree with you. Denomination is not a CAUSE OF division in the church, it is a RESULT of division. We are divided on issues and subjects that really DO matter, so we HAVE TO have denominations. So Christianity would be better off without denominations, huh? So let's do away with them, then. Let's all go to the same church, and do things the same way... no more denominations! Yay!

How can we say that it isn?t the cause of division, but the result?  True, it may have been the initial result of the cause, but we are divided today, because people choose denominations (Before they even interpret scripture).  It sure doesn?t make Christianity better off with denominations.  If we didn?t have denominations, that doesn?t mean that we all have to go to the same church (meaning location).  We would just function under the same common principles, from different locations.   But that is the key, man doesn?t want to function under the same common principles, because we (in general) want to judge (for a lack of choice of words) and say, ?My interpretation is right and you are wrong.?  When God is the ultimate interpreter of the Word.

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How on earth would you propose resolving (or dissolving) conflicting beliefs? Would you put Seventh Day Adventists and Catholics (they do consider themselves Christian) and Apostolics all in the same sanctuary?

That is my point, why can?t you put them in the same sanctuary if we serve the same God?  Especially when they consider themselves Christian.

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On which day would they worship? How long would the service be? How would the pastor be selected? How would communion be served? What would THEY teach regarding the reconciling of Acts 2:38 and Matthew 28:19? What would they teach about Mary? Matters of health? Glossolalia?   
 

Why can?t we worship on one day.  Worship is a 24/7 thing.  It is a lifestyle.  If this be so, then a day wouldn?t matter, because you reverence and worship of the heart would be sincere.  Many people will try to get the day right and still be spiritually messed up.  Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart.  In regards to Acts 2:38, he that hath an ear let him hear.  The scripture speaks for itself.  Teach exactly what it is saying.  It can?t be any more simple than that.  In regards to Matt. 28:19, once again, the scripture speaks for itself.  Teach exactly what it is saying.  The problem is man, wants to make this thing complicated.

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I mean, all this talk about hating denominations and how bad and useless they are... what's the solution? What's YOUR proposal? What's YOUR plan? This is like all the <insert political party of choice> fuss about what <insert president of choice> is doing wrong with no suggestion for how he should do it instead.


I don?t hate denominations, because the truth of the matter we all belong to some type of denomination.  I just think that they have caused division among the church.  There isn?t a one man?s solution on this situation.  As a matter of fact, we could even keep the denomination, let?s just overcome the division.  How can I call you my brother/sister and you will not even worship with me?  But yet, we say that we are Christians.  You can worship how you feel is necessary, as long as it is according to biblical principles, I don?t have a problem with it.  You can govern your service how you feel, but as long as the Word of God is the final authority.  Better yet, why not just call us Christians.  When someone asks you what you are, just say Christian.  If they asks you what denomination, tell them you follow the Word of God for we are all one body.       

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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #86 on: June 17, 2010, 10:54:22 AM »
Hmmm

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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #87 on: June 17, 2010, 11:55:37 AM »
(Just a heads up, this is long)

How can we say that it isn?t the cause of division, but the result?  True, it may have been the initial result of the cause, but we are divided today, because people choose denominations (Before they even interpret scripture).  It sure doesn?t make Christianity better off with denominations.  If we didn?t have denominations, that doesn?t mean that we all have to go to the same church (meaning location).  We would just function under the same common principles, from different locations.   But that is the key, man doesn?t want to function under the same common principles, because we (in general) want to judge (for a lack of choice of words) and say, ?My interpretation is right and you are wrong.?  When God is the ultimate interpreter of the Word.

That is my point, why can?t you put them in the same sanctuary if we serve the same God?  Especially when they consider themselves Christian.
 

Why can?t we worship on one day.  Worship is a 24/7 thing.  It is a lifestyle.  If this be so, then a day wouldn?t matter, because you reverence and worship of the heart would be sincere.  Many people will try to get the day right and still be spiritually messed up.  Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart.  In regards to Acts 2:38, he that hath an ear let him hear.  The scripture speaks for itself.  Teach exactly what it is saying.  It can?t be any more simple than that.  In regards to Matt. 28:19, once again, the scripture speaks for itself.  Teach exactly what it is saying.  The problem is man, wants to make this thing complicated.
 

I don?t hate denominations, because the truth of the matter we all belong to some type of denomination.  I just think that they have caused division among the church.  There isn?t a one man?s solution on this situation.  As a matter of fact, we could even keep the denomination, let?s just overcome the division.  How can I call you my brother/sister and you will not even worship with me?  But yet, we say that we are Christians.  You can worship how you feel is necessary, as long as it is according to biblical principles, I don?t have a problem with it.  You can govern your service how you feel, but as long as the Word of God is the final authority.  Better yet, why not just call us Christians.  When someone asks you what you are, just say Christian.  If they asks you what denomination, tell them you follow the Word of God for we are all one body.       

That wasn't long, but thanks for the warning... lol.

Okay, so if we can easily put everyone in the same sanctuary, why don't you start the movement? Since most 1st day Christians don't really think it matters which day we worship, start by encouraging all your friends to start going to church on Saturday instead (that would be much easier than trying to get 7th day Christians to go on Sundays). I know it's a small start, but if one is passionate enough about it, that passion could catch on. So let's all start by going on Saturdays. Even though adventists don't speak in tongues or shout, the rest of us who do can just be quiet and hold our peace. That's not a big deal, is it? Who cares about eating pork? You can give up bacon and ham for the sake of unity can't you? You don't have to BELIEVE in their teachings, you just have to.... well heck, I don't even know what you'd want them to do, pretend? Go with the flow?

How do you combine two different sets of people who believe two different - substantially different - things?

And the Acts/Matthew thing is not quite that simple, since on the surface (key phrase: on the surface), those scriptures say two different things. Some baptize using the wording from Matthew, some using the wording from Acts, and many think there is a difference and that it matters. It's not necessarily man wanting to make something complicated - it could be that man has a deeply rooted belief.  How do you put those two competing beliefs together under the same church government/leadership?

I guess my whole point is just that what you're suggesting simply isn't realistic. It's idealistic, to be sure, but definitely not realistic.

I don't think we (in general) want to judge. I think there are select groups (and only a few, at that) who do that. Most Christians are accepting of others who may not believe in the doctrinal issues they believe. Of course there are others who aren't accepting, but they don't represent the majority. Most people I know fellowship with churches that don't belong to their organization or denomination.  Perhaps your area is just different in that regard.  But I don't knock those that prefer to fellowship with like-minded folks of "like precious faith."  Pastors have to be careful who they expose their members to; if you fellowship with folks who teach something you don't believe, you have to do all kinds of damage control. You can teach your members to be open-minded and accepting and non-judgmental without bashing the concept of denominations (not saying you were bashing)... which, simply put, just ain't going nowhere. You are combining two different concepts: fellowship across denominational lines and completely erasing denominational lines for the purpose of eliminating denominations altogether (which means everyone believes the same thing).  Truth is, there are people in and out of denominations who think that what they believe is the only right way - you find that in the work place, in marriages, in schools, in other religions, in politics... it's not unique to Christianity at all.

My bottom line: there's nothing wrong with denominations. There's something wrong with people.
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #88 on: June 17, 2010, 12:07:22 PM »
My bottom line: there's nothing wrong with denominations. There's something wrong with people.
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #89 on: June 17, 2010, 12:16:56 PM »
I love bottom lines!  :D

We definitely know that LL......LOL!


I guess my whole point is just that what you're suggesting simply isn't realistic. It's idealistic, to be sure, but definitely not realistic.


I guess not...... :-\

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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #90 on: June 17, 2010, 12:45:08 PM »
I guess not...... :-\

You got a solution? A specific plan on how to eliminate denominations? I'd love to hear it. :-)
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #91 on: June 17, 2010, 12:48:20 PM »
You got a solution? A specific plan on how to eliminate denominations? I'd love to hear it. :-)

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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2010, 01:01:50 PM »

Why can?t we worship on one day.  Worship is a 24/7 thing.  It is a lifestyle.  If this be so, then a day wouldn?t matter, because you reverence and worship of the heart would be sincere.  Many people will try to get the day right and still be spiritually messed up.  Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart.  In regards to Acts 2:38, he that hath an ear let him hear.  The scripture speaks for itself.  Teach exactly what it is saying.  It can?t be any more simple than that.  In regards to Matt. 28:19, once again, the scripture speaks for itself.  Teach exactly what it is saying.  The problem is man, wants to make this thing complicated.
 

How can you say that one day doesn't matter when God himself told us to Keep a certain day, which happens to be the 7th, day Holy?  He says if you love me keep my commandments, but you answer back saying "Worship is a 24/7 thing, so this one day doesn't matter".
Does God's word now not matter because worship is a 24/7 thing?

The spirit of compromise is what causes a whole lot of people to DIE (look at the melding of the pagans and the christian church, which is actually caused "denominations" as we know them now.  Then if you want a bible story there are A TON which show that compromise against God's word and will ends in DEATH.

See 1 Chronicles 21 for a prime example of what happens when what appears to be a very minuscule compromise is taken by a leader.

Throughout the bible we see where compromise with God ends in death and destruction, so I say to everyone it's better to follow God to the T. If you error and you don't know that you are he won't hold it against you, but if you do, but you say "o that's to hard" or "o that's to strict" we end up in  bad positions.  It may not be now, but it will come to pass. The bible is VERY clear on that.

I do agree with the rest of your statement though.


It is my belief from studying the bible that if we all actually prayed for the holy spirit to guide us to all truths as Jesus instructed us the spirit would do, that there would be ALOT less confusion on these things.

I mean people can point out in HISTORY books where people adopted certain practices that are being used in the church(es) today, but you'll never be right in their minds.  If we would actually set aside our own personal thoughts and opinions and let the BIBLE doe the talking for itself (the ENTIRE BIBLE, not one text here and there all out of context with the rest of the word) then there would be alot less confusion, however prophecy tells us that these things must come to pass, so there's nothing we can do about it except build up your characters in the word of God and stay rooted firmly in it.
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2010, 01:06:47 PM »
How can you say that one day doesn't matter when God himself told us to Keep a certain day, which happens to be the 7th day Holy? 

The bible says a lot of things in the Old Testament which were done away with in the New.
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #94 on: June 17, 2010, 01:10:12 PM »
How can you say that one day doesn't matter when God himself told us to Keep a certain day, which happens to be the 7th day Holy?  He says if you love me keep my commandments, but you answer back saying "Worship is a 24/7 thing, so this one day doens't matter".
Does God's word now not matter because worship is a 24/7 thing?

The spirit of compromise is what causes a whole lot of people to DIE (look at the melding of the pagans and the christian church, which is actually caused "denominations" as we know them now.  Then if you want a bible story there are A TON which show that compromise against God's word and will ends in DEATH.

See 1 Chronicles 21 for a prime example of what happens when what appears to be a very minuscule compromise is taken by a leader.

Throughout the bible we see where compromise with God ends in death and destruction, so I say to everyone it's better to follow God to the T. If you error and you don't know that you are he won't hold it against you, but if you do, but you say "o that's to hard" or "o that's to strict" we end up in  bad positions.  It may not be now, but it will come to pass. The bible is VERY clear on that.

I do agree with the rest of your statement though.

I won't go too deep just because.....

but I will say this. I am one that has been anti-denominational and I'm willing to own up to that and admit it. Yet I must add that the only way I see denominations ending is everyone having "the" interpretation that is right. The way I look at it, ideally (as it has been said already) it would be great to get rid of denominations but I'm realistically believing it's impossible. Why? I mean Christianity (from the Bible) is approximately 2000+ years old. That is centuries of teachings, people coming in and out of the movement, etc., which also says that there are centuries of interpretations on these issues. Denominations, to me is a product of centuries of different beliefs, interpretations, etc on the issues that matter.

As far as what you're saying about the day of worship, how do we know that the days in the Bible are the same as how we view days of the week?  :-\ And see here's another area of the denominations (as I've addressed), how does one interpret the bible? Do you interpret it "as is" or based on the original context it was written in? There's disagreement about that.   :-\

Bottomline: Denominations have been around for centuries (some would even argue that they were around in the Bible days) and will probably be here until Jesus returns unless a movement gets rid of them or until we get "the" interpretation everyone agrees on.....LOL!  ;D

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« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2010, 01:32:51 PM »
I won't go too deep just because.....

but I will say this. I am one that has been anti-denominational and I'm willing to own up to that and admit it. Yet I must add that the only way I see denominations ending is everyone having "the" interpretation that is right. The way I look at it, ideally (as it has been said already) it would be great to get rid of denominations but I'm realistically believing it's impossible. Why? I mean Christianity (from the Bible) is approximately 2000+ years old. That is centuries of teachings, people coming in and out of the movement, etc., which also says that there are centuries of interpretations on these issues. Denominations, to me is a product of centuries of different beliefs, interpretations, etc on the issues that matter.

As far as what you're saying about the day of worship, how do we know that the days in the Bible are the same as how we view days of the week?  :-\ And see here's another area of the denominations (as I've addressed), how does one interpret the bible? Do you interpret it "as is" or based on the original context it was written in? There's disagreement about that.   :-\

Bottomline: Denominations have been around for centuries (some would even argue that they were around in the Bible days) and will probably be here until Jesus returns unless a movement gets rid of them or until we get "the" interpretation everyone agrees on.....LOL!  ;D


*sigh*  You just don't get it.

It's okay though, you're probably in good company.  :-\

How can you say that one day doesn't matter when God himself told us to Keep a certain day, which happens to be the 7th, day Holy?  He says if you love me keep my commandments, but you answer back saying "Worship is a 24/7 thing, so this one day doesn't matter".
Does God's word now not matter because worship is a 24/7 thing?

The spirit of compromise is what causes a whole lot of people to DIE (look at the melding of the pagans and the christian church, which is actually caused "denominations" as we know them now.  Then if you want a bible story there are A TON which show that compromise against God's word and will ends in DEATH.

See 1 Chronicles 21 for a prime example of what happens when what appears to be a very minuscule compromise is taken by a leader.

Throughout the bible we see where compromise with God ends in death and destruction, so I say to everyone it's better to follow God to the T. If you error and you don't know that you are he won't hold it against you, but if you do, but you say "o that's to hard" or "o that's to strict" we end up in  bad positions.  It may not be now, but it will come to pass. The bible is VERY clear on that.

I do agree with the rest of your statement though.


It is my belief from studying the bible that if we all actually prayed for the holy spirit to guide us to all truths as Jesus instructed us the spirit would do, that there would be ALOT less confusion on these things.

I mean people can point out in HISTORY books where people adopted certain practices that are being used in the church(es) today, but you'll never be right in their minds.  If we would actually set aside our own personal thoughts and opinions and let the BIBLE doe the talking for itself (the ENTIRE BIBLE, not one text here and there all out of context with the rest of the word) then there would be alot less confusion, however prophecy tells us that these things must come to pass, so there's nothing we can do about it except build up your characters in the word of God and stay rooted firmly in it.


Although I agree with you, Jeremy, and I do get the fact that different people use different approaches, is it really fruitful to press this issue (in this manner) among people you KNOW will disagree with you steadfastly? I dunno. I just don't get it. It's not just you. Other LGMers have done that very same thing on various other subjects... I believe in planting seeds, but you gotta water them, not fire hose them down. LOL  :D

IMO (and this isn't a continuation of the previous paragraph), we tend to want our walk with Christ to be convenient. Anything that presents an "unusual"  challenge, difficulty, burden, or inconvenience is likely to be questioned or explained away. Such is the case with the Sabbath, for some. For others, as I mentioned, it's a lack of knowledge and understanding. For others, it's a matter of not believing it's necessary.

I ask pastors at every church I work with (or serve at) what they think about the Sabbath. All except one of them have answered that they never really studied it or gave it much thought. I've heard plenty of LGMers say the same thing.  I believe that's the case with the majority. To each his own. The ones that do give it thought may find information that they believe "excuses us" from the 4th Commandment. Others may choose to honor the 4th Commandment, but have difficulty (or find it burdensome) to change their lifestyle (like me). I definitely encountered many inconveniences in my early days... especially since I go to church on Sundays. But walking with Christ isn't always convenient, so for me, that wasn't good enough.

I just say let people be. To each his own.
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2010, 01:39:54 PM »
*sigh*  You just don't get it.

It's okay though, you're probably in good company.  :-\


Ummm I was just joking about that.  :-\

Well, let me go ahead and give the benediction on a subject everyone has an opinion on:

With uplifted hands:


"Now until Him that is able to keep you from falling, to present you faultless before His presence with exceeding joy, Now until Him the only wise God be glory, majesty, dominion and power both now and forever"..... and we sing together:


Aaaaaaaaa-men........Aaaaaaa-men.....Aaaaa-aaaaa-aaaaa-aaaaa men!

For the Baptist, let the church say Aaaaaaamen, let the church say Aaaaaaaamen, let the church say Aaaaaaamen, Aaaaaamen, aaaamen! Let the deacons (who sleep on the front row...... ;D) say Aaaaaaamen, let the deacons say Aaaaaaamen, let the deacons say Aaaaaaaamen, Aaaaaamen, Aaaaamen!!!

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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2010, 01:50:44 PM »
Well.  This thread has taken a turn for the worse.
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« Reply #98 on: June 17, 2010, 01:59:14 PM »
Well.  This thread has taken a turn for the worse.

I disagree (LOL).

No seriously though. I don't think page 5 is much different from page 4 or 3... *shrug*
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Re: I am so SICK of denomination!!!!
« Reply #99 on: June 17, 2010, 02:06:48 PM »
That wasn't long, but thanks for the warning... lol.

Okay, so if we can easily put everyone in the same sanctuary, why don't you start the movement? Since most 1st day Christians don't really think it matters which day we worship, start by encouraging all your friends to start going to church on Saturday instead (that would be much easier than trying to get 7th day Christians to go on Sundays). I know it's a small start, but if one is passionate enough about it, that passion could catch on. So let's all start by going on Saturdays. Even though adventists don't speak in tongues or shout, the rest of us who do can just be quiet and hold our peace. That's not a big deal, is it? Who cares about eating pork? You can give up bacon and ham for the sake of unity can't you? You don't have to BELIEVE in their teachings, you just have to.... well heck, I don't even know what you'd want them to do, pretend? Go with the flow?

How do you combine two different sets of people who believe two different - substantially different - things?

And the Acts/Matthew thing is not quite that simple, since on the surface (key phrase: on the surface), those scriptures say two different things. Some baptize using the wording from Matthew, some using the wording from Acts, and many think there is a difference and that it matters. It's not necessarily man wanting to make something complicated - it could be that man has a deeply rooted belief.  How do you put those two competing beliefs together under the same church government/leadership?

I guess my whole point is just that what you're suggesting simply isn't realistic. It's idealistic, to be sure, but definitely not realistic.

I don't think we (in general) want to judge. I think there are select groups (and only a few, at that) who do that. Most Christians are accepting of others who may not believe in the doctrinal issues they believe. Of course there are others who aren't accepting, but they don't represent the majority. Most people I know fellowship with churches that don't belong to their organization or denomination.  Perhaps your area is just different in that regard.  But I don't knock those that prefer to fellowship with like-minded folks of "like precious faith."  Pastors have to be careful who they expose their members to; if you fellowship with folks who teach something you don't believe, you have to do all kinds of damage control. You can teach your members to be open-minded and accepting and non-judgmental without bashing the concept of denominations (not saying you were bashing)... which, simply put, just ain't going nowhere. You are combining two different concepts: fellowship across denominational lines and completely erasing denominational lines for the purpose of eliminating denominations altogether (which means everyone believes the same thing).  Truth is, there are people in and out of denominations who think that what they believe is the only right way - you find that in the work place, in marriages, in schools, in other religions, in politics... it's not unique to Christianity at all.

My bottom line: there's nothing wrong with denominations. There's something wrong with people.

There is a lot wrong with denominations and a lot wrong with people. 

What you have stated is indeed truth.  You can't just throw it away.  There isn't a simple solution to this situation.  We can't just erase denomination, because it does have a purpose.  If you don't shout or speak in tongues, that's fine.  It is when denomination starts to take the place of salvation, is where I draw the line.  How does one become saved, if every denomination has their own way of salvation?

The Acts/Matthew thing, you are right.  Some baptized using wording from Matthew and wording from Acts, but the scriptures are saying the same thing, which is be baptized in the name of Jesus.  I am reminded of this scripture

Mark 2
V4. - "And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken [it] up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay."

V5 - "When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee."

V6 - "But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,"

V7 - "Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

V8 - "And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?"

V9 - "Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, [Thy] sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?"

V10 - "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)"

V11 - "I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house."

V12 - "And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion."   

Those two scriptures are saying the same things using different wording.  Just as the scribes felt that it was blasphemy, to say that your sins are forgiven, unless you are God; some may believe that it isn't genuine if you don't use a certain type of wording.  Either way, your sins are forgiven and you are saved.       

 
 
 

 
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