I am so SICK of denomination!!!!

[jeremyr]

*sigh*  You just don't get it.


Although I agree with you, Jeremy, and I do get the fact that different people use different approaches, is it really fruitful to press this issue (in this manner) among people you KNOW will disagree with you steadfastly? I dunno. I just don't get it. It's not just you. Other LGMers have done that very same thing on various other subjects... I believe in planting seeds, but you gotta water them, not fire hose them down. LOL 

IMO (and this isn't a continuation of the previous paragraph), we tend to want our walk with Christ to be convenient. Anything that presents an "unusual"  challenge, difficulty, burden, or inconvenience is likely to be questioned or explained away. Such is the case with the Sabbath, for some. For others, as I mentioned, it's a lack of knowledge and understanding. For others, it's a matter of not believing it's necessary.

I ask pastors at every church I work with (or serve at) what they think about the Sabbath. All except one of them have answered that they never really studied it or gave it much thought. I've heard plenty of LGMers say the same thing.  I believe that's the case with the majority. To each his own. The ones that do give it thought may find information that they believe "excuses us" from the 4th Commandment. Others may choose to honor the 4th Commandment, but have difficulty (or find it burdensome) to change their lifestyle (like me). I definitely encountered many inconveniences in my early days... especially since I go to church on Sundays. But walking with Christ isn't always convenient, so for me, that wasn't good enough.

I just say let people be. To each his own.

Agreed, I just like to be clear when I see a different person entering the convo, no really so much pressing the issue, though it probably seems like it

Like I said before, we just need to pray the holy spirit to lead us in ALL things holy. 

To the point of the OP though, we can't do away with denominations though, it's not in the power of man.  It has to continue to get worse before it gets better. If denominations were to be done away with then Jesus would have spoken a lie when he told us of false prophets and false teachings so from that we can rest assured that it has to get worse, before it gets better.

Such are the results when we stray against God's word.

[LaylaMonroe]

There is a lot wrong with denominations and a lot wrong with people. 

What you have stated is indeed truth.  You can't just throw it away.  There isn't a simple solution to this situation.  We can't just erase denomination, because it does have a purpose.  If you don't shout or speak in tongues, that's fine.  It is when denomination starts to take the place of salvation, is where I draw the line.  How does one become saved, if every denomination has their own way of salvation?

The Acts/Matthew thing, you are right.  Some baptized using wording from Matthew and wording from Acts, but the scriptures are saying the same thing, which is be baptized in the name of Jesus.  I am reminded of this scripture
...

Those two scriptures are saying the same things using different wording.  Just as the scribes felt that it was blasphemy, to say that your sins are forgiven, unless you are God; some may believe that it isn't genuine if you don't use a certain type of wording.  Either way, your sins are forgiven and you are saved.

I don't think denomination has taken or ever will take the place of salvation. That's like saying Cabbage Patch Kids will take the place of taxi cabs. Two completely different concepts. Denomination has nothing to do with salvation.

And I don't think every denomination has a different way of offering salvation. All except one of the mainstream denominations teach that to be saved, you simply confess, repent and be baptized in water. That's pretty simple, and that's what Methodists, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Baptists, and Methodists teach. I think you may be confusing "denominations" with "doctrines" or "organizations". These are not interchangeable or one in the same. There are distinct differences between an organization and a denomination. I think 90+% of Christian denominations teach the same exact plan for salvation.

Well, we're about 50/50 in agreement, so this is probably a good place to shake hands and say "good debate." 

[churchyreal]

I don't think denomination has taken or ever will take the place of salvation. That's like saying Cabbage Patch Kids will take the place of taxi cabs. Two completely different concepts. Denomination has nothing to do with salvation.

And I don't think every denomination has a different way of offering salvation. All except one of the mainstream denominations teach that to be saved, you simply confess, repent and be baptized in water. That's pretty simple, and that's what Methodists, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Baptists, and Methodists teach. I think you may be confusing "denominations" with "doctrines" or "organizations". These are not interchangeable or one in the same. There are distinct differences between an organization and a denomination. I think 90+% of Christian denominations teach the same exact plan for salvation.

Well, we're about 50/50 in agreement, so this is probably a good place to shake hands and say "good debate." 

LOL I was waiting for you to come back....haha! 

[Arkhams Finest]

I don't think denomination has taken or ever will take the place of salvation. That's like saying Cabbage Patch Kids will take the place of taxi cabs. Two completely different concepts. Denomination has nothing to do with salvation.

And I don't think every denomination has a different way of offering salvation. All except one of the mainstream denominations teach that to be saved, you simply confess, repent and be baptized in water. That's pretty simple, and that's what Methodists, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Baptists, and Methodists teach. I think you may be confusing "denominations" with "doctrines" or "organizations". These are not interchangeable or one in the same. There are distinct differences between an organization and a denomination. I think 90+% of Christian denominations teach the same exact plan for salvation.

Well, we're about 50/50 in agreement, so this is probably a good place to shake hands and say "good debate." 

[LaylaMonroe]

UGGGGHHHH!!! 

1. I hate seeing pics of John McCain. I know it's weird, but his arm freaks me out. 

2. Couldn't you find a Barack/Hillary pic? I'm a chick, not an old, white man. LOL

[Docdb04]

Well, we're about 50/50 in agreement, so this is probably a good place to shake hands and say "good debate."

Indeed.  Good one LaRue.

SB - You make me type to much.  I can't do this everyday. 

[LaylaMonroe]

UGGGGHHHH!!!  

1. I hate seeing pics of John McCain. I know it's weird, but his arm freaks me out.  

2. Couldn't you find a Barack/Hillary pic? I'm a chick, not an old, white Republican man. LOL

Had to fix that.  

[Arkhams Finest]

2. Couldn't you find a Barack/Hillary pic? I'm a chick, not an old, white man. LOL

[b3wannab]

^^^

Dat's just nas-tee!!!

[LaylaMonroe]

OMGness that is so out of order!! I almost feel sick. I definitely don't like that. :-(

[nessalynn77]

That is downright scary.  Let's never speak of this again.

[LaylaMonroe]

LOL@ Nessa. Speak of what? ;-)

@Docdb04 - stick with me, bruh. I'll have you typing 104 wpm with 0 errors in no time! LOL. Seriously though, I enjoyed the convo! :-)

[betnich]

Hilbama? Have I found my new avatar???   

[LaylaMonroe]

Even in your example there are many who will say baptism in water is not necessary for salvation but is rather a signal to the greater society and a willingness to obey. Groups like the salvation Army and the Society of Friends (Quakers) don't baptize at all.

Oh snap, I totally forgot about the SA (and I don't really count the Quakers, but you're right about them too).

Yeah, very good point.

[jeremyr]

That's like saying Cabbage Patch Kids will take the place of taxi cabs.

NOT THE CABBAGE PATCH KIDS....HAHHAHHAHHHAAHHHHA

[LaylaMonroe]

NOT THE CABBAGE PATCH KIDS....HAHHAHHAHHHAAHHHHA