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Burning the Quran on 911?
« on: August 16, 2010, 05:11:43 PM »
Burning the Quran on 911?

Okay so some ignorant church in Florida feels that burning the Quran on 911 is how they're going to show the world that they love Jesus.  How ridiculous.  It's crazy how the Bible has examples like Paul, and people just ignore the way he and others went about truly showing the love of Jesus and spreading the Gospel.  I'm sure somebody today would say something like, "Oh well that happened x-thousand years ago and we can't do that today.  Because God changed, right?  ?/? ::) :-\

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 05:18:13 PM »
I don't think God has changed.  This is just one more example of being affected by how unbelievers (in Christ) respond.  There was (and may still be) a company that made toilet paper rolls with parts of the Koran on them - never bought any, but can't say I wouldn't use it if it was the only thing in the stall and something was needed at the moment.

Years ago, when in my studies, I had to read an English translation - didn't impress me at the time (did make more sense than the Hindu book)

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 05:24:42 PM »
wasn't it in CORINTH-with PAULs' approval,presence;and oversight that the witches and sorcerers brought their books  to be burned  with conversion to CHRIST?

Maybe we should pray some muslims get saved and bring their false;anti-christ text(s) to the town center and burn them? Tell the world about JESUS love for the muslims-AND their turning from allah to JESUS!!

Get some media coverage on that!

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 07:37:42 PM »
wasn't it in CORINTH-with PAULs' approval,presence;and oversight that the witches and sorcerers brought their books  to be burned  with conversion to CHRIST?

Maybe we should pray some muslims get saved and bring their false;anti-christ text(s) to the town center and burn them? Tell the world about JESUS love for the muslims-AND their turning from allah to JESUS!!

Get some media coverage on that!

That's totally different.  They willingly burned their books because of an event that showed the power in the name of Jesus.  (Acts19:13-17).  Also, Paul didn't call for a book burning.  This is something the people put together.  It's one thing for someone to, willingly, burn a book they own.  It's another thing when someone goes out if their way to get their hands on a book about someone else's beliefs and burns it.  That's totally disrespectful.  Also, to do it on 911 is even MORE disrespectful.  The only reason why they're doing it this 911 is because of the mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero.  Smh.

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 06:54:14 PM »
...I just realized that I posted this in the wrong forum.  LOL!!!

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2010, 06:37:10 AM »
You know,with all this TALK in the media about rights,tolerances ,etc.;so WHAT if they do? Not my cup of tea,but the muslims and others burn USA flag,shake their fist at us,threaten us,want to nuke us and Israel.Given a chance ;the talk with this mosque builder is to bring sharia law HERE!!

Given a chance they will cut the CHRISTian's head off,prohibit the BIBLE,etc.,etc.,etc.,try speaking CHRIST over there! In their land;they promote Their god and Their ways.

So,if they come here.maybe they shouldn't be all that demanding and insistent.If somebody wants to exercise THEIR USA right to burn the koran;so WHAT????


As far as the love of JESUS-so far,these folks AREN't looking to do ANYTHING except conquer.The title of this mosque;tobera or such is supposedly a play on words denoting the defeat of the church from the crusades.

Bottom line;why are CHRISTians coming against other CHRISTians in Judgement? Why are we defending other's rights' who want to quelch our rights?

A brother was telling me that Bresinski-a former sec of state(?) gave the opinion recently that when ISRAEL move's against Iran;we should protect Iran from"JEWISH" aggression(when they go to remove the nuke plants).

Crazy times;like JESUS said "relations will deliver each other,all will do what they think right,etc.,ad infinitum)

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2010, 07:21:08 AM »
Finally America's true colors are showing again. Hey, Im no Muslim but I don't agree with purposely burning the quaran. Do it if yall want to. but dont say nothin when they come blow somethin up again.....
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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2010, 08:40:07 AM »
You know,with all this TALK in the media about rights,tolerances ,etc.;so WHAT if they do? Not my cup of tea,but the muslims and others burn USA flag,shake their fist at us,threaten us,want to nuke us and Israel.Given a chance ;the talk with this mosque builder is to bring sharia law HERE!!

The last time I've seen someone burn an American flag without anybody stepping in was on TV in another country.  They wouldn't have the guts to do that here, especially since it's against the law.

Given a chance they will cut the CHRISTian's head off,prohibit the BIBLE,etc.,etc.,etc.,try speaking CHRIST over there! In their land;they promote Their god and Their ways.

The is the first of many references that you make in your post about EXTREMIST Islam.  There are people from this country who are EXTREMIST Christians in other countries who do the same thing but "in the name of the Lord" like it's in the Bible or something. 

So,if they come here.maybe they shouldn't be all that demanding and insistent.If somebody wants to exercise THEIR USA right to burn the koran;so WHAT????

Burning the Quran is a right?  Well, technically there's no law against it.  If you want to call it a right so be it, but just know there's no law against burning the Bible.  :-\

As far as the love of JESUS-so far,these folks AREN't looking to do ANYTHING except conquer.The title of this mosque;tobera or such is supposedly a play on words denoting the defeat of the church from the crusades.

Where did you find info on the name of the mosque?  How do you know conquering is in anybody's plans?  Is it right to assume that just because people did it "in the name of the Lord" back in the day (which gave us a bunch of problems that STILL haunt this country to this day) came to conquer in spite of what the Bible said, should we assume the same for the Muslims?  If so, on what merit and why do you think it will work?

Bottom line;why are CHRISTians coming against other CHRISTians in Judgement? Why are we defending other's rights' who want to quelch our rights?

I feel that people who want the burn the Quran are EXTREMELY over reacting!  I don't believe in Islam, but I certainly wouldn't try to disrespect people in that way then say, "I'm showing the love of Christ".  We'll NEVER win ANYBODY over that way!  I don't think this is now, nor has it ever been, about anybody them squelching anybody's rights.  If anything those trying to stop the building of the mosque are squelching the first amendment rights of the Muslims in NYC.

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2010, 02:07:24 PM »
hey Acts; so we should just be in fear;in our country,and play nice?Did anybody burn koran BEFORE they blew up the towers? Didn't osama bin laden try to blow up the world trade center in 1993?

Havent the muslim extremist been executing CHRISTians left and right-for a Long time? Must be a lot of extremist-because MORE CHRISTians have been executed(mostly by muslims I'd suspect) in this century.If you look at the way these folks operate;they sneak into a country;expand their base,DEMAND their rights and take over-look at England for example.

As far as burning the flag here;illegal or not-few of my friends did that in the 70's.I suspect when the ratio's change;some of these "minority peaceful "folks will exercise their "rights".

By the way.are we sure ALL these folks are even "citizens"? Saw clip by this "moderate cleric "who essentially said " we must do,we must pray to Advance Islam".

To me;this is sort of the delusion we are operating under.We,as Americans are willing to live and let live(more or less).Some of these folks are saying what we want to /think to hear.That cleric;in a TV interview was explaining how shari law was a system of justice.Supposedley;that is being explored at being incorporated into OUR judicial system and it was compared to the US Constitution.(think the interview was with B Walters).

Question? ;why reinvent the wheel" Last time I looked,USA had a constitution AND a justice system.So;why do we need shari?If it's such a great system;why are the masses fleeing it when they can?and coming here?but longing for a "touch 'from home?Instead of assimilating-this is the beginning moves in the gambit to take over.All that is needed is time.

The whole islamic system is totally repressive except to the few guys at the top;calling the shots.That's why Iraq,Afganistan,Iran are such fun-loving,peaceful,quite,god-fearing  great places to visit and live in!!

Yeah;and coincidentally plagued by tribal warfare,corruption,murder etc.Can you name 1 muslim country you'd want to go to and stay-AS an overt CHRISTian-demanding  to practice your religious.

For those "tolerant" folks;how ya gonna like it when they start lopping off heads ;hands for having weed or such,stoning for adultery,hmmmmmnn;maybe these guys do have an answer for the prison issues we have!

What about our military folks over there;in their freedom"war" who cant' have a drink because it's taboo;our (women)troops having the bag over their heads to go into town.

So;folks who are raised in that "normal" are going to forget all that?When the numbers are right;we'll see who is moderate.So;what did the settlers do when we outnumber the indians?

koda;forgot where I saw that about "tobera or however it's spelled".Probably "google it and martrydoom " to check my facts/numbers.

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2010, 02:44:13 PM »
hey Koda;here's part of that info; it's Cordoba House;a reference to a muslin victory in Cordoba ,Spain.It's a "tonque in cheek joke";posing as working together in "religious" harmony here in the USA.In the muslim world;it has ANOTher meaning-CONQUEST!!

Since we are all going to be "in harmony";when will we see a Jewish Temple,CHRISTian church in Mecca,Medinah,etc.? ANY of those in ALL of Saudi Arabi? Iran?

Seems as if  ALL these "moderate"muslims;in the whole world would get on board!!! If it only A "few" extremists(in the whole world);why is it ONLY the extremists voices are heard?

Seems "extreme" that the minority CONTROLs.

At what point;are we as quilty as the rest of the world being "politically correct" ;kow- tow ing to the muslims? At what point are we Bowing to Their god?

Isn't that what's really behind the issue;bowing to foreign gods?I think that's what we are doing-whether we see it or are honest enough to admit it.Instead of our"loving people to CHRIST";we are accquiessing to what is (perceived ) as being expedient.

Somewhere,I'm not seeing victory in CHRIST in this;we are NOT changing them;we are conforming to the god of this world

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2010, 02:47:17 PM »
docjohn I won't take a political standpoint as some here may know my reasons...

However, I will say don't buy into media hype, propaganda, or politically biased "editorial" articles/news, search for the "facts" in all of it...Since I won't point out many of what may be discrepancies for reason, I'll will say "in my humble opinion" some of the points you mentioned are inflamatory, off-base, and contain huge generalizations...

On a different note...just for information purposes...
There is a ceremonial burning of the Flag...yes it is illegal to just burn it, just thowing it in a trash can or on the ground and setting fire to it, but retiring the Flag can be done by Ceremonial Flag burning which is legal...

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 03:04:21 PM »
yo cas,you are entitled to your opinions,man

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 04:28:30 PM »
hey Acts; so we should just be in fear;in our country,and play nice?Did anybody burn koran BEFORE they blew up the towers? Didn't osama bin laden try to blow up the world trade center in 1993?

Havent the muslim extremist been executing CHRISTians left and right-for a Long time? Must be a lot of extremist-because MORE CHRISTians have been executed(mostly by muslims I'd suspect) in this century.If you look at the way these folks operate;they sneak into a country;expand their base,DEMAND their rights and take over-look at England for example.

As far as burning the flag here;illegal or not-few of my friends did that in the 70's.I suspect when the ratio's change;some of these "minority peaceful "folks will exercise their "rights".

By the way.are we sure ALL these folks are even "citizens"? Saw clip by this "moderate cleric "who essentially said " we must do,we must pray to Advance Islam".

To me;this is sort of the delusion we are operating under.We,as Americans are willing to live and let live(more or less).Some of these folks are saying what we want to /think to hear.That cleric;in a TV interview was explaining how shari law was a system of justice.Supposedley;that is being explored at being incorporated into OUR judicial system and it was compared to the US Constitution.(think the interview was with B Walters).

Question? ;why reinvent the wheel" Last time I looked,USA had a constitution AND a justice system.So;why do we need shari?If it's such a great system;why are the masses fleeing it when they can?and coming here?but longing for a "touch 'from home?Instead of assimilating-this is the beginning moves in the gambit to take over.All that is needed is time.

The whole islamic system is totally repressive except to the few guys at the top;calling the shots.That's why Iraq,Afganistan,Iran are such fun-loving,peaceful,quite,god-fearing  great places to visit and live in!!

Yeah;and coincidentally plagued by tribal warfare,corruption,murder etc.Can you name 1 muslim country you'd want to go to and stay-AS an overt CHRISTian-demanding  to practice your religious.

For those "tolerant" folks;how ya gonna like it when they start lopping off heads ;hands for having weed or such,stoning for adultery,hmmmmmnn;maybe these guys do have an answer for the prison issues we have!

What about our military folks over there;in their freedom"war" who cant' have a drink because it's taboo;our (women)troops having the bag over their heads to go into town.

So;folks who are raised in that "normal" are going to forget all that?When the numbers are right;we'll see who is moderate.So;what did the settlers do when we outnumber the indians?

koda;forgot where I saw that about "tobera or however it's spelled".Probably "google it and martrydoom " to check my facts/numbers.

No we shouldn't live in fear in our own country.  2 Timothy 1:7, Isaiah 41:10, Romans 8:28-31.  The Muslims are serving a false God so what's there to be afraid of?  They're praying to advance Islam to whom?  What god?  Besides, I doubt our gov't is so dumb and self-absorbed that they would let a complete take over happen.  I don't believe allowing Muslims to have their first amendment rights isn't a first step to anything horrible.  Yes Osama did try...but he's an extremist.  To judge all Muslims by Al Queda is like judging all Christians by the KKK.

I wouldn't doubt that Muslim extremists in other countries have murdered Christians simply for being Christians.  However how are they going to come to a country that's over 50% Christian and pull that off?  On top of that you have to consider there are people who are non-Christians and non-Muslim that they'll have to get though.  That boosts the number of people fighting back by a lot.  Nothing crazy is going to happen.

ROLMBO @ I suspect when the ratio's change;some of these "minority peaceful "folks will exercise their "rights":D :D :D  While your friends didn't have the right to burn the flag and neither will any minorities even if they're, numerically, a majority.  A girl I was working with a while ago said that when she was living in Texas she drove the wrong way down the street, past a cop car, and didn't get stopped.  I seriously doubt if a woman wearing a hijab did the same thing the cop would respond the same. 

"Question? ;why reinvent the wheel" Last time I looked,USA had a constitution AND a justice system.So;why do we need shari?"  I agree.  I don't know much about Sharia, but I think everyone but Muslims (depending on how Sharia would be executed) would be pissed if the gov't started to adopt parts of or all of Sharia.  Non-Christians don't even want the Christian influence in the gov't so adding Sharia won't make them happy.  Christians won't like it because they don't want Muslim influence.  Even if Sharia was an option they'd have to go through (professed) Christians who hope to get re-elected.  :-\

"The whole islamic system is totally repressive except to the few guys at the top;calling the shots."  In away the USA is kinda like that.

"What about our military folks over there;in their freedom"war" who cant' have a drink because it's taboo;our (women)troops having the bag over their heads to go into town." Well, they are in another country and they have to play by their rules so I don't see the issue.  I doubt anything even CLOSE to that will happen here.  We already went though our "alcohol is taboo" period and that caused more problems than it solved.  I'm sure women's rights groups would have a FIT if all women were made to wear something covering their face or made to walk x-amount of paces behind a man.

"So;what did the settlers do when we outnumber the indians?" - They gave nearly everybody small pox, killed nearly everybody else, and put the remaining folks on reservations with no running water.  That's not going to happen here.  First of all due to medical science there aren't very many diseases they can find to bring over here that will kill Americans in droves.  Second, US Armed forces (,the KKK, and the Glenn Beck/Bill O'Riley/Rush Limbaugh audience) will all kill everyone who even looks as if they could possibly be Muslim before that happens. 

Since we are all going to be "in harmony";when will we see a Jewish Temple,CHRISTian church in Mecca,Medinah,etc.? ANY of those in ALL of Saudi Arabi? Iran?

There are churches and synagogues in Iran, even though their freedom of religion in their constitution is restricted. I think Mecca and Medinah are considered 'holy ground' for Muslims (kinda like what they're saying about this mosque that's being built two blocks away from ground zero.).  Saudia Arabi doesn't have freedom of religion.  America touts freedom of religion all day...until someone else wants to exercise their right to freedom of religion.

Seems "extreme" that the minority CONTROLs.

Isn't that what we have in Washington?  A few people controlling the country.  They say they're doing it on behalf of the people who elected them but they show time and time again that they're not.  Most/all of them have their own agendas and say nice things to get elected. 

At what point;are we as quilty as the rest of the world being "politically correct" ;kow- tow ing to the muslims? At what point are we Bowing to Their god?

Isn't that what's really behind the issue;bowing to foreign gods?I think that's what we are doing-whether we see it or are honest enough to admit it.Instead of our"loving people to CHRIST";we are accquiessing to what is (perceived ) as being expedient.

Somewhere,I'm not seeing victory in CHRIST in this;we are NOT changing them;we are conforming to the god of this world

We don't have to bow to their god at any point.  We also don't have to be offensive about it either.  There are many places in the Bible that talks about how offending people won't win them over.  In the end that's what we're here for, winning souls to Christ.  We don't have to agree with what they believe in because of OUR right to believe what we want.  Also, America is not a "christian nation" as people like to say.  This country has not declared an official religion even though a majority of the country says they're Christians.  The law of this land is being fulfilled by letting Muslims practice they're religion here.  I still don't see the over all threat.


HOWEVER...if Christians don't show compassion but Muslims do, if Christians are hostile but Muslims aren't, guess who will be winning people over?

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 07:20:47 PM »
You don't think our "kit gloves trtmt " towards muslims isn't bowing to them + their respective gods?

Check out NY times;mon or tue  about state of NY and NY city schools exams.In a section on"history",muslims were painted in a favorable light for their many accomplishments from 8-1100 AD;while another part was downplaying Chritianity for the same time period.In other words,muslim history is being elevated.

To put it in perspective,islam started 700 years AD(post CHRIST);8-1100 AD is when islam crushed and controlled the world;subjugating christianity.That's what prompted the Crusades ;to take back the Holy Land.The islams ruled with the iron fist.

On a more recent note,Istanbul has a mosque built over a former church-to emphasize the "ruling" religion.This is on the site of (former) Constantinople.Dome of the Rock;mosque built over Solomons' temple.This "Cordoba "mosque;anybody see the pattern.

Since we have such" religious freedom" as CHRISTians,you should hit u-tube;see how folks are being tasered and beat down for being CHRISTians.(some bring it upon self-like watching cops).

Also,St. Nicholas school.destroyed at ground zero 2001-city of NY won't issue their permits-but fast track the mosque.10 years to get a building permit?

I see the way folks in and out of church treat one another;9/11 brought us together for a ???? week.Then back to same old self.Katrina;folks didn't EXactlty come together very well there either.For the kind of unity you're talking about-it's either gonna be a BIGGGGGGG move of GOD;or a REALLY big bang!

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2010, 12:26:18 AM »
You don't think our "kit gloves trtmt " towards muslims isn't bowing to them + their respective gods?


I don't mean use a kid gloves treatment.  I mean treat people with common decency.  People generally don't go around desecrating churches or Bibles to show they won't bow down to use and God, but abstaining from that activity doesn't mean that they bow to us and God.

Check out NY times;mon or tue  about state of NY and NY city schools exams.In a section on"history",muslims were painted in a favorable light for their many accomplishments from 8-1100 AD;while another part was downplaying Chritianity for the same time period.In other words,muslim history is being elevated.


I didn't see the article, but I did see some stuff about Islam making its way into public schools.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/688/islam-in-americas-public-schools-education-or-indoctrination
http://therealthing.blogs.com/there_is_no_second_place/2007/08/a-islamic-shool.html

Assuming these sources are 100% and without bias, this is horrible.  What they should have done was to aim the training at being sensitive to students who are from or who have roots in Middle Eastern countries.  I’m sure students are more likely to tease a student of Middle Eastern decent whether they’re wearing Muslim attire or not (and whether they’re Muslim or not) as opposed to teasing someone of some other race/ethnicity who is Muslim.  The sensitivity training could have mentioned that they’re Muslim and maybe add something about the difference between extremists and non extremists in general without going into detail about Islam.

Since we have such" religious freedom" as CHRISTians,you should hit u-tube;see how folks are being tasered and beat down for being CHRISTians.(some bring it upon self-like watching cops).



I see the way folks in and out of church treat one another;9/11 brought us together for a ???? week.Then back to same old self.Katrina;folks didn't EXactlty come together very well there either.For the kind of unity you're talking about-it's either gonna be a BIGGGGGGG move of GOD;or a REALLY big bang!


I understand people in other people are being persecuted because they’re Christians.  I feel for them.  My local CCM stations regularly broadcasts stores from www.persecutedchurch.org.  It sucks that people have to go through that.  Yet, I feel that (at least until the antichrist, who may not be Muslim or any religion, reveals himself) we won’t have to deal with that.  Until then we, as Christians, should strive to be the people God called us to be the way God called us to be and we just might see that big move of God.  Easier said than done.  :-\

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2010, 06:24:09 AM »
Last sentence-soooooo true!!! Wise beyond your years Koda.

I was looking at a map of the world yesterday,and it astonished me how much is controlled by the muslims and has been taken over just since WWll.

Indonesia,Mirimar( formerly Burma-I didn't realize that),Somalia,lots of Africa,Phillipennes,mid east,lot of areas btwn Iran/Russia(can't name all those countries),much of Europe,Pakistan- a LOT of real estate!

As a matter of fact;some pastor friends left for Europe few weeks ago;evidently England and much of Europe is coming under their grip.

So,how do we turn these folks to CHRIST? What I see JESUS doing ;while in "enemy territory(Roman rule)" was to serve WITHOUT being servile.I see HIM obeying the laws(give to CEASAR what is his) while being entirely radical!!

For example,HE liberated (especially women and children) from the shackles of the day.Much of the islam treatment of women and children today as non-persons;non-entities Hasn't moved past where it was when JESUS walked here.

I think we DON't understand-we are to be changing them;not being conformed to anything but CHRIST.For example;we accept that they (mostly) are moderate,many CHRISTians have heard this mantra and are repeating it.But;this "moderate inman"has "credited" USA with spilling millions of muslim's blood.(his reference is to when Clinton was sending aid;which sadam hijacked;starving sadams' own people).So,in this,he(a moderate inman) comes around to JUStifying hamas,al quaeda,etc.If he's so moderate,how can he justify terrorism?

Btw,this inman's wife was talking about "assimilation" at this new mosque/cultural center.A closer study shows that she's NOT talking about americanizing;but prostylytizing the muslim agenda.An interesting fact;Your TAX dollars are paying for this inman + his wife to travel to the mid-east.

So;where did seperation of church/state get to?? See any fed money for a little JESUS speak?Think there's a few churches that could use matching money to advance CHRIST?

As time is drawing shorter;make sure we're NOT believing enemies lies and agenda;NOT get sucked in.

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Re: Burning the Quran on 911?
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2010, 12:08:45 PM »
So;where did seperation of church/state get to?? See any fed money for a little JESUS speak?Think there's a few churches that could use matching money to advance CHRIST?

As time is drawing shorter;make sure we're NOT believing enemies lies and agenda;NOT get sucked in.

Are you saying that the government should give money to churches for evangelism?
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