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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 11:15:05 PM »
My buddy Steve used to get pulled over all the time when he lived in South Central L.A.
He's a well-educated black brother who likes to drive nice musclecars (he's owned several Z28 and SS Camaros as well as a few older Road Runners and more) and apparently that makes him a prime target for the bad cops with nothing better to do than to mess with him. Ironically, he does not speed nor drive like an idiot, so that's not been the cause for him getting pulled over.
He's told me that the first question they usually ask him is "How can you afford a nice car like this?"  >:(  ::)

I thought you were gonna tell us about a time when YOU were profiled. :D

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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2010, 11:21:13 PM »
Oh! I just got pulled over 20 minutes ago....well actually we were already pulled over in front of my Uncle's house, I was dropping him off and all of a sudden an undercover car lit us up, saying that that they were looking for Robbers (there were other police cars around the neighborhood looking for someone, so I guess they were just doing their job ) He didnt say anything about my expired license so I cant complain...

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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2010, 11:28:46 PM »
I thought you were gonna tell us about a time when YOU were profiled. :D

Yeah, there was this one time when...
Or that time when...
Or how about that time...
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Nah, I got nothin'. Every time I've been pulled over, it was well earned and deserved.  ;D
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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2010, 12:26:11 AM »
Needs to man up.

I'm just sayin'... :-\


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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2010, 12:39:45 AM »
Likewise, every time I was pulled over, it was for cause. The treatment I received afterward was often unmerited and unjustifiable.

The Lord really has to help me with areas like this because just thinking about it sends me into such a deep rage. I just hate injustice. Hate it. Passionately.

While we're telling stories...

When I was moving to DC, my MIL, SIL, and BIL and my two godsons came over to help me pack and clean. When they were leaving, my BIL took all the trash out to the dumpster, which is by the front gate. I thanked them, kissed/hugged everybody goodbye, and before I could even sit down real good, my phone was ringing. My SIL told me I needed to come by the gate right away and that somebody was calling the police on them. I walked there, and my MIL was extremely upset and worried. I asked what was going on and she pointed over at the guy standing in the doorway of his condo on his cordless phone. She told me that he just came out the door and started yelling at them as they were putting trash in the dumpster asking if they lived in the sub and saying he was calling the police. My SIL (who is incredibly meek and gentle) tried to explain to him that they were taking MY trash, but he started yelling louder so MIL told her to call me.

I'm not good with distance, but I guess the gate is about 250 ft?? from his door. I didn't want to yell, so I walked maybe 10 ft closer and said "what's going on, sir, what's the problem?" He started ranting about how he pays the trash bill every month and he's not going to sit by and allow people who don't live here to come and put their trash in our dumpster. So I explained to him that I live there and they were carrying out MY trash, and gave him my unit number, name, etc. Meanwhile, he was still on the phone with the police.

I told my family to go ahead home and not to worry about it, but MIL was worried because he had taken down their plate number. And plus, old people are just worriers anyway. LOL. So, at that point, I was already annoyed because I don't like stupidity, I don't like my family being harassed, and the guy wasn't even listening to me, which I especially hate.

About 10 minutes later, the police arrived and asked what was going on. The guy came back out of his unit and walked over to us, maintaining about 20 ft distance. I explained to the officers what happened (while calling the guy an idiot a few times), and as I was explaining 4 more cop cars, one after the other, pulled in, all flashing lights. At this point, I am just pissed and I could feel that I was about to become verbally hostile, so I retreated. I just stopped speaking altogether and told my fam not to say anything either. The guy did all the talking. Then the officer asked me if I lived here and I said yes. Showed him my keys and my license. Then *breathe, Rue* he started questioning me about the volume of my trash, about where my unit is, how long I've lived here, my relationship to the fam, asked them where they live, what they were doing here, etc... I finally asked him as calmly as I could "you mean to tell me that you are seriously here with 8 other officers (1 car only had 1 officer, the others had 2) because this IDIOT thought that people were abusing the dumpster. Do you not realize how foolish it is that you're wasting my taxpayer dollars questioning me over some foolishness???"

Meanwhile, the idiot was over there looking all smug and called the HOA President, talking all loud and stuff. UGH!!! I can't even tell the story straight I'm so mad all over again. So anyway, the officer told me to calm down, and I took a few breaths and explained to him how intimidated they were all making us feel, my godchildren were there, my 70-y/o MIL was there, it was just too much. Over trash??? Seriously? So I got heated again and called the guy an idiot, and the officer told me that if I do that one more time, he would arrest me for assault. I said, "assault???" He explained that verbal assault is a crime and if I don't want to be arrested, I should just shut up.

At that point, I knew I was about 2 words and a finger away from going to jail, so I put my best fakesmile on my face, counted backwards from 10 and said, "sir, if you have no legal reason to detain us, we are going to leave now. Mama, y'all get in the car. Call me when you get home. I'm going to bed." I stood there to watch them get in the car.

Then as they were pulling off, I turned around to walk off and the officer said something to me. I turned around and said, "are you detaining me?" He said, "no, but I have a few more questions." I said "sir, there's nothing left in me except verbal assault. You're trying to take somebody to jail tonight, and I'm not going to be the one. I have nothing else to say to you unless you want to arrest me for letting my BIL take my trash out." Then I turned to the only young officer out there and said, "am I free to leave?" And he tried to play buddy with me, came over talking about "let me talk to you, ma'am." I was like, "no, I don't have anything to say and you don't have anything to say to me except to tell me if I'm free to go or not."

All that over some doggone trash.

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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2010, 01:38:04 AM »
I was there this weekend, stayed at a hotel in Horsham, not too far from Willow Grove Mall... And I know what you mean. Its a shame...

I know where you talkin bout. I used to work at UPS right there. Good Ol County Boys, Protect and Serve! Lol clowns
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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2010, 03:00:05 AM »
this from the guy that screams like a girl when chased by a dog.

Dude please... ::)
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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2010, 08:04:58 AM »
Likewise, every time I was pulled over, it was for cause. The treatment I received afterward was often unmerited and unjustifiable.

The Lord really has to help me with areas like this because just thinking about it sends me into such a deep rage. I just hate injustice. Hate it. Passionately.

While we're telling stories...

When I was moving to DC, my MIL, SIL, and BIL and my two godsons came over to help me pack and clean. When they were leaving, my BIL took all the trash out to the dumpster, which is by the front gate. I thanked them, kissed/hugged everybody goodbye, and before I could even sit down real good, my phone was ringing. My SIL told me I needed to come by the gate right away and that somebody was calling the police on them. I walked there, and my MIL was extremely upset and worried. I asked what was going on and she pointed over at the guy standing in the doorway of his condo on his cordless phone. She told me that he just came out the door and started yelling at them as they were putting trash in the dumpster asking if they lived in the sub and saying he was calling the police. My SIL (who is incredibly meek and gentle) tried to explain to him that they were taking MY trash, but he started yelling louder so MIL told her to call me.

I'm not good with distance, but I guess the gate is about 250 ft?? from his door. I didn't want to yell, so I walked maybe 10 ft closer and said "what's going on, sir, what's the problem?" He started ranting about how he pays the trash bill every month and he's not going to sit by and allow people who don't live here to come and put their trash in our dumpster. So I explained to him that I live there and they were carrying out MY trash, and gave him my unit number, name, etc. Meanwhile, he was still on the phone with the police.

I told my family to go ahead home and not to worry about it, but MIL was worried because he had taken down their plate number. And plus, old people are just worriers anyway. LOL. So, at that point, I was already annoyed because I don't like stupidity, I don't like my family being harassed, and the guy wasn't even listening to me, which I especially hate.

About 10 minutes later, the police arrived and asked what was going on. The guy came back out of his unit and walked over to us, maintaining about 20 ft distance. I explained to the officers what happened (while calling the guy an idiot a few times), and as I was explaining 4 more cop cars, one after the other, pulled in, all flashing lights. At this point, I am just pissed and I could feel that I was about to become verbally hostile, so I retreated. I just stopped speaking altogether and told my fam not to say anything either. The guy did all the talking. Then the officer asked me if I lived here and I said yes. Showed him my keys and my license. Then *breathe, Rue* he started questioning me about the volume of my trash, about where my unit is, how long I've lived here, my relationship to the fam, asked them where they live, what they were doing here, etc... I finally asked him as calmly as I could "you mean to tell me that you are seriously here with 8 other officers (1 car only had 1 officer, the others had 2) because this IDIOT thought that people were abusing the dumpster. Do you not realize how foolish it is that you're wasting my taxpayer dollars questioning me over some foolishness???"

Meanwhile, the idiot was over there looking all smug and called the HOA President, talking all loud and stuff. UGH!!! I can't even tell the story straight I'm so mad all over again. So anyway, the officer told me to calm down, and I took a few breaths and explained to him how intimidated they were all making us feel, my godchildren were there, my 70-y/o MIL was there, it was just too much. Over trash??? Seriously? So I got heated again and called the guy an idiot, and the officer told me that if I do that one more time, he would arrest me for assault. I said, "assault???" He explained that verbal assault is a crime and if I don't want to be arrested, I should just shut up.

At that point, I knew I was about 2 words and a finger away from going to jail, so I put my best fakesmile on my face, counted backwards from 10 and said, "sir, if you have no legal reason to detain us, we are going to leave now. Mama, y'all get in the car. Call me when you get home. I'm going to bed." I stood there to watch them get in the car.

Then as they were pulling off, I turned around to walk off and the officer said something to me. I turned around and said, "are you detaining me?" He said, "no, but I have a few more questions." I said "sir, there's nothing left in me except verbal assault. You're trying to take somebody to jail tonight, and I'm not going to be the one. I have nothing else to say to you unless you want to arrest me for letting my BIL take my trash out." Then I turned to the only young officer out there and said, "am I free to leave?" And he tried to play buddy with me, came over talking about "let me talk to you, ma'am." I was like, "no, I don't have anything to say and you don't have anything to say to me except to tell me if I'm free to go or not."

All that over some doggone trash.

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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2010, 08:23:36 AM »
things like that are SO infuriating.

One of the things i tell my lighter hued pals, you cant know what that feels like. To be perceived as an threat all the time. to be questioned about where you live in your neighborhood, all the time. To feel the need to teach your children cop survival 101.

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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2010, 08:24:58 AM »
CSE, that was nearly 3 years ago, and I'm as mad now as I was then.

*mumbling* over some stupid trash. Ugh!

Yeah, clearly I need healing. Hate injustice!
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« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2010, 09:40:02 AM »
things like that are SO infuriating.

One of the things i tell my lighter hued pals, you cant know what that feels like. To be perceived as an threat all the time. to be questioned about where you live in your neighborhood, all the time. To feel the need to teach your children cop survival 101.

SO doggone true. There's just no understanding what it feels like until you're in that situation.

I do have a few stories, but that last one was probably the worst of all. (Other than the time the officers drew guns on my friends and me after we came from church...)
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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2010, 09:40:10 AM »
Last night, when I was leaving work, I got onto the interstate and there was a cop on the shoulder. I passed him along with 5 other cars, and then he got behind me. I immediately got nervous. So I maintained my speed and made sure I signalled when I got on the interstate. He got all up on my bumper, and then backed off. Then he got next to me on the drivers side, and then rode side by side with me. When I slowed, he slowed.

I look over at him and he is gawking at me. Watching me, almost rear ended someone else trying to look at me.

I had on a black pants suit and white blouse, his view saw a black blazer and white blouse. My hair was done and my make up was on, I had on my glasses (which are requesired for me to drive), I in no way looked like I just robbed someone. The car is mine, insured and registered. I was wondering what he could possibly want to tail me for. My Registration sticker expires in march 2011 and inspection expires in January 2011... So on the physical, I am fine. So why is he tailing me ?/?

He then speeds off and got behind this black guy. He was driving a mercedes with rims and he looked professional as well. This cop tailed him, and then follwed him off the exit, and then turns on the lights, pulling this guy over. I got off too, and went to the WAWA across the street just to make sure aint no Rodney King popping off. He had the guy there literally 2 minutes and then he got in his car and left.

The black guy comes across to WAWA and came in the store, he was frustrated, clearly upset so I told him that I saw him get pulled, and then the cop did kind of the same to me. The guy said that the cop asked if this was his car, and asked for his license. he had already ran his tags and everything. He had mentioned to the cop that he was on his way home from work and the cop questioned what kind of job would e have where he can drive a car like that, and then mentioned that the guy seemed rather young to live at the address listed on the license and to have that car...

Then out of no where, the cop told him to watch himself, and then left.
Now that was just foul, the dude was like "I just wanna go home to my wife and daughter..."

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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2010, 09:41:21 AM »
CSE, that was nearly 3 years ago, and I'm as mad now as I was then.

*mumbling* over some stupid trash. Ugh!

Yeah, clearly I need healing. Hate injustice!

Aw Rue... :(
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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2010, 10:43:56 AM »
I don't know if this is considered profilin'?!!!  It happened about 5 years ago in Colorado Springs...I was at a bar with a couple of white guys.  I was the only black male in the group.  As we are leaving the bar, one of the guys gets into an arguement with another guy.  I was walking a lil ahead of him so I turned back to defuse the situation.  As soon as I get the situation defused....I get hemmed up.  The cop grabs me and asked me, "What is your problem?"  I responded, "I don't have a problem, sir...I was trying to defuse a situation before it got out of hand."  At this time, my friends come over and try to explain to the cops what had happened...he wasn't trying to hear it.  He let me know if he seen me anywhere else that night, he was taken me in!  I nodded ok and left...my friends and I were confused why I was the one who got called out.  Sad part is....it was a black cop!



Here's a story dealing with racial profilin: http://streetknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/baseball-players-son-shot-by-policeunarmed-and-in-his-driveway/ 
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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2010, 11:01:23 AM »
Sad part is....it was a black cop!

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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2010, 11:37:17 AM »
I'm very close friends and church members with two guys (father/son) who are cops.  One works for the State Attorney General's office and the other for the Feds (DEA / Border Patrol).  And after talking to them on many occasions about my problems with the way people are treated I have come to a least two conclusions.

1.  That there is a such thing as profiling. (D'uh right?!?!)
Ex.  Mississipi tag going east from Houston might get stopped in Louisiana.  Currently there are no other ways to stop drug/money trafficking other than random stops of people who fit profiles.  Young black males driving I-20 or I-10 with no visible baggage fit a profile.
- So I have learned to be okay with the getting stopped part.  But after you see that I am clean, let me go and have a nice day......please.

2.  There are some fools and racists and power-tripping people that they work with everyday.  So it benefits me to keep my cool and report them.  They know who those guys are and those guys have a reputation within the department.  Reporting them is the only avenue that can be taken with any possibility of having a positive outcome.
- I am working on learning how to keep my cool in those situations.
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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2010, 11:55:39 AM »
Kingrhollo:

IRT your #2, I find that they don't get off on mistreating minorities, they get off on getting a rise out of minorities. If you show that you're unaffected by it, it really doesn't give them that ego boost they were looking to get. But if you get visibly upset, flustered, offended, ticked, annoyed, impatient, or appear to be humbled by the situation, they will feed on that and it pushes them to keep up the behavior...

IRT your #1, I still don't think that's okay. I understand that there may be a profile and that they have no other way to stop certain crime, but people should not be pulled over unless they are reasonably suspected of committing a specific crime or are failing to adhere to traffic laws. I don't care if I look like Snoopy Dogg and drive the most expensive car out there, unless they have reason to suspect me of a specific crime, they really ought to just let me go.

But I get it... what can ya do, huh? *shrug*
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2010, 11:59:19 AM »
Oh! I just got pulled over 20 minutes ago....well actually we were already pulled over in front of my Uncle's house, I was dropping him off and all of a sudden an undercover car lit us up, saying that that they were looking for Robbers (there were other police cars around the neighborhood looking for someone, so I guess they were just doing their job ) He didnt say anything about my expired license so I cant complain...
LOL!!!! I had one ignore mine that had expired the previous day once... I was in Alameda and couldn't get to the DMV until I got back home.  He saw it and just didn't say anything, lol.  He did ticket me for speeding, though...

Rue's story reminds me of the one time I may have been a victim of injustice at the hands of the police.  It was the summer after my senior year and I was off to college in just a few short weeks.  I had some friends (they were kind of losers, but back then I only saw the good in people, lol) who were living in a motel that had a swimming pool.  They wanted me to come by and go swimming with them.  They were all native americans.

Two of the girls and I (their daughters had to be about 12-13), went down to the pool to swim.  I think the others were coming, but we were ready and went ahead.  Nothing seemed out of place, it was broad daylight and the pool was empty, so we were like, "Yes!".  So we're enjoying the water laughing and playing, and next thing I know there's a cop asking us to get out of the pool.  We get out and stand there soaking wet while he starts to ask us questions about breaking the lock to get into the pool.  I, being the oldest was the focus of all the questions.  I told him that the gate was open when we came.  He said he was going to charge us with trespassing because the owner had locked the pool because of some misconduct by someone, and we broke the lock to get in.  He asked if we lived there, and I told him my friends did, and kept saying over and over that the pool was open when we came.  The owner was asian and spoke little english but wanted us charged for breaking the lock.  

Finally some people walk out of a restaurant next door, and the girl says, "they didn't break the lock there were some white kids in there swimming when we arrived at the restaurant."  The cop totally ignores her and the owner starts saying she doesn't know, blah blah blah... The cop eventually says, well you were the ones in the pool so if the owner wants to press charges we will charge you.  I. Flipped. Out.  I was like, you mean to tell me you have an unbiased third party who also happened to be white, is telling you that someone else was in the pool between the time it was locked and the time we came in, and you still want to charge us?  He got an attitude and said he would arrest me right then if I kept it up, and proceeded to write me a citation to appear for a trespassing charge.  He told me I had to call the courts to find out the exact time. I was livid. I asked him if he was going to get the information of the person who confirmed someone else had broken the lock, and he didn't do that either.  So I think I got her number or something...

I talked to the owner after the cop left and asked her why she didn't just drop the charges, she said, "I don't know... someone broke lock... I don't know..."  She really made me want to hurt her.

I called the number on the citation for like a month and they kept saying the citation never came in.  He knew he was out of line the whole time.  JERK.

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Re: Racial Profiling
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2010, 12:01:11 PM »
but people should not be pulled over unless they are reasonably suspected of committing a specific crime or are failing to adhere to traffic laws.

That is my very point right there...

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2010, 01:20:46 PM »
LOL!!!! I had one ignore mine that had expired the previous day once... I was in Alameda and couldn't get to the DMV until I got back home.  He saw it and just didn't say anything, lol.  He did ticket me for speeding, though...

Rue's story reminds me of the one time I may have been a victim of injustice at the hands of the police.  It was the summer after my senior year and I was off to college in just a few short weeks.  I had some friends (they were kind of losers, but back then I only saw the good in people, lol) who were living in a motel that had a swimming pool.  They wanted me to come by and go swimming with them.  They were all native americans.

Two of the girls and I (their daughters had to be about 12-13), went down to the pool to swim.  I think the others were coming, but we were ready and went ahead.  Nothing seemed out of place, it was broad daylight and the pool was empty, so we were like, "Yes!".  So we're enjoying the water laughing and playing, and next thing I know there's a cop asking us to get out of the pool.  We get out and stand there soaking wet while he starts to ask us questions about breaking the lock to get into the pool.  I, being the oldest was the focus of all the questions.  I told him that the gate was open when we came.  He said he was going to charge us with trespassing because the owner had locked the pool because of some misconduct by someone, and we broke the lock to get in.  He asked if we lived there, and I told him my friends did, and kept saying over and over that the pool was open when we came.  The owner was asian and spoke little english but wanted us charged for breaking the lock.  

Finally some people walk out of a restaurant next door, and the girl says, "they didn't break the lock there were some white kids in there swimming when we arrived at the restaurant."  The cop totally ignores her and the owner starts saying she doesn't know, blah blah blah... The cop eventually says, well you were the ones in the pool so if the owner wants to press charges we will charge you.  I. Flipped. Out.  I was like, you mean to tell me you have an unbiased third party who also happened to be white, is telling you that someone else was in the pool between the time it was locked and the time we came in, and you still want to charge us?  He got an attitude and said he would arrest me right then if I kept it up, and proceeded to write me a citation to appear for a trespassing charge.  He told me I had to call the courts to find out the exact time. I was livid. I asked him if he was going to get the information of the person who confirmed someone else had broken the lock, and he didn't do that either.  So I think I got her number or something...

I talked to the owner after the cop left and asked her why she didn't just drop the charges, she said, "I don't know... someone broke lock... I don't know..."  She really made me want to hurt her.

I called the number on the citation for like a month and they kept saying the citation never came in.  He knew he was out of line the whole time.  JERK.


Either I need to get help, or I have to find a(nother) way to channel the anger I feel about stuff like this. I got teary eyed as I was reading this, my heart is pounding right now, and I'm angry. Even though it was years ago, I'm angry.

Specifically, the part in bold... I cannot stand to see people abuse their power. Somebody once told me that I clearly have a problem with authority. I don't have a problem with authority at all; I have a problem when people ABUSE their authority. They need to do a better job screening these people before they give them guns, badges and uniforms. A lot of them have low self-esteem issues that contribute to them mistreating people just because they can.
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