Man does not live by bread alone

[docjohn]

But by every WORD from GOD.

I was thinking about this verse yesterday.I'm thinking that it does +should include the "RHEMA WORD",but imo many churches exclude that.

On some level;it seems like folks are unable,unwilling/even fearful to "hear" from LORD.

thoughts?

[phbrown]

never heard of this term before thank you for teaching me something new.

Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek.[1] It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.[2]

In philosophy, it was used by both Plato and Aristotle to refer to propositions or sentences.[3]

In Christianity, it is used in reference to the concept of Rhematos Christou; Jesus Christ's sayings.

Doc, is this right got it from wikipedia

Some modern usage distinguishes Rhema from Logos in Christian Theology, with Rhema at times called "a word from the Word,"[9] referring to the revelation received by the reader from the Holy Spirit when the Word (Logos) is read.[9][10] In this usage, "Logos" refers to Christ.[11]

In this modern usage, Logos is the "Word of God" Jesus Christ, the subject from Genesis to Revelation. Rhema is the revealed word of God, as an utterance from God to the heart of the reader via the Holy Spirit, as in John 14:26 [12]:

    "... the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

In this usage Rhema refers to "a word that is spoken", when the Holy Spirit delivers a message to the heart as in Romans 10:17:[13]

    "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. (rhematos Christou)"

and in the Matthew 4:4:

    "Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word (rhema) that comes from the mouth of God".[14]

I haven't heard anyone teach about this concept explicitly but then again in many protestant churches (hehe learned this from the pagan church book) anytime a lay member "hears" from the lord people think they are off their rocker.

Where as I have heard saying similar to this when a preacher and or pastor starts to deliver a sermon.


As far as my thoughts it makes sense to me but at the same time we need to continue to study to make sure that the insights we glean are true to the rest of the scripture and that we are not taking something out of context.

[LaylaMonroe]

But by every WORD from GOD.

I was thinking about this verse yesterday.I'm thinking that it does +should include the "RHEMA WORD",but imo many churches exclude that.

On some level;it seems like folks are unable,unwilling/even fearful to "hear" from LORD.

thoughts?

I'm unclear on what you're saying here.

The scripture says "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (KJV). The English word "word" is translated from the Greek word "rhema," as you pointed out. Are you saying that when we quote that scripture, we should use the Greek word for "word" and say the rest in English? 

What do you mean when you say many churches exclude that?

I guess I'm trying to understand if you're speaking literally (like churches literally omit that word "rhema" when quoting the scripture) or figuratively (like churches don't teach members to live by the rhema).

In my experience, most churches do teach its members to live by rhema. Whether or not members do it is a whole other story.

[docjohn]

ph,pretty much everything you've got is correct.Thanks LM for the whole verse.

The RHEMA WORD;in the context I've heard pastors talk covers written,"quickened" as by HOLY SPIRIT,and and REVELATION/PROPHECY (if-as ph pointed out it doesn't conflict with written WORD aka BIBLE).As ph alludes to;as diligent Bereans should ALWAYS compare what men say with what WORD says.

Case in point;I had a couple of jehovah witness stop by today;when asked about the HOLY SPIRIT-their "answer"(revelation-NOT!!!!) was described as a "force".HOLY SPIRIT is not a" force";but GOD HIMSELF.

I wasn't advocating a rigid use of any word LM(as long as it is the WORD) so much as what I'm seeing in a number of the local churches.The "mainline " denominations aka lutherans,episcopalians,catholics,etc.,seem to be more focused on "order of service".A lot of the non-denominations seem to be emphasizing how to live better stuff or be happy.There seems to be a "church model" of a late 30's ish pastor in jeans with a wife and 2.5 kids;CCWM music with a "corporate "gospel.

It seems strange,as I go to service sunday-passing a methodist church with less than 5 cars in the lot,talk to folks who say church is like a rambling "history lesson",just not a lot of fire or passion.

Even in my neighborhood-talk and invite folks to service/BIBLE study/prayer-not a lot of takers.I get the feeling folks think the BOOK doesn't carry much POWER.

Even some of the pastors don't "expect/allow " folks to "hear" from LORD;unless it has their approval.Sort of like the whole catholic idea that the priest was the "connection" between man + GOD.

So what it seems to me is ;the HOPE of CHRIST(expectation of) a "personal relationship" is being eroded or superseded  maybe even replaced by horizontal "fellowship".

Just a thought-as LORD leads/reveals-will share more.Maybe just a prayer request for folks to think a little more on JESUS-looking to HIM-WHOM my help comes from.

[phbrown]

Bereans ... learned something new

Many churches and ministries, predominantly evangelical Protestant in the USA, that have an emphasis on the primacy of scripture, have adopted the name Berean in allusion to this account. The Catholic Diocese of Lincoln describes one particular affiliation, the Berean Church, as comprising about 60 independent U.S. congregations of similar beliefs with features in common with Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians. Their central emphasis on scriptural authority, sola scriptura, puts their beliefs in particular conflict with Roman Catholicism as well as Eastern Orthodoxy.

never heard the word before

Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)

10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

 11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

[phbrown]

Question

Are you referring to Rhema, Logos, or the bible?

I wasn't advocating a rigid use of any word LM(as long as it is the WORD) so much as what I'm seeing in a number of the local churches.

[docjohn]

any and ALL forms ph;since I think LORD uses them all.

The quote about some of those 'bereans" is "interesting";the ones Paul spoke about is who I advocate!

[docjohn]

I'm going to have to get that book you're talking about ph,you seem to have gotten a lot out of it!