Topic: Should Musicians Be Obligated to Give Offering?? (Read 5174 times)

jwilliams_drums · « **on:** August 02, 2011, 02:16:19 PM »

This is kind of a joke video but could pose a serious question, should musicians give offering? Or be obligated to at the same church that pays them? Is that not losing money?? LOL


Musicians Don't Give Offering!!!

LaylaMonroe · « **Reply #1 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:26:19 PM »

The law is pretty simple: sow sparingly, reap sparingly; sow plentifully, reap plentifully. Give from your heart, not reluctantly or in response to pressure, or grudgingly, because God loves a cheerful giver.

As it relates to giving, musicians are not different from those who serve in any other capacity.

Personally, nothing impresses me more than to see a musician who looks like he's a part of the service and worship experience, and not just there to play until it's time to get his check and go home. I love to see musicians open their Bibles (or Bible apps), stand, pray, and give. BTJM.

chevonee · « **Reply #2 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:28:23 PM »

Quote from: LaylaMonroe on August 02, 2011, 04:26:19 PM

The law is pretty simple: sow sparingly, reap sparingly; sow plentifully, reap plentifully. Give from your heart, not reluctantly or in response to pressure, or grudgingly, because God loves a cheerful giver.

As it relates to giving, musicians are not different from those who serve in any other capacity.

Personally, nothing impresses me more than to see a musician who looks like he's a part of the service and worship experience, and not just there to play until it's time to get his check and go home. I love to see musicians open their Bibles (or Bible apps), stand, pray, and give. BTJM.

Preach Layla....PREACH!!!!

under13 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:35:35 PM »

Quote from: SketchMan3 on August 02, 2011, 04:08:01 PM

I don't think being a musician changes whether one should give offering or not.

What he said.

Before we go on, what makes the musician different from anybody else in the church when it comes to giving?

I'll watch the video later

jwilliams_drums · « **Reply #4 on:** August 02, 2011, 05:12:45 PM »

I agree with all the comments. I personally give myself without thinking about it. But when you think about it, how can you truly "give to a church" when technically your getting that money right back? Is it wrong if you chose not to give? I feel like musicians in church already get looked down on for getting paid to play in church even if your dedicated to your position. Would I be there if I wasn't getting paid? Probably not, but that doesn't mean I don't show loyalty or dedication to my position of enhancing the worshipping experience. That is my offering in my opinion. Thoughts?

baggettcindy · « **Reply #5 on:** August 02, 2011, 07:31:23 PM »

I agree with all the comments here....

catslock1 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 02, 2011, 08:25:56 PM »

I'm not sure whether or not I'm playing devil's advocate but there is a point to be made if this is not the church or membership. I agree that it's beautiful if the paid musician can get involved beyond the point of doing a job. However, if for example, a person plays at 3 services, then they would have to give three times (especially if they're giving a decent offer). I say if you feel bad about not giving then you should go ahead and give. If you feel that you have given all you can then I don't see the need to give. I always try to check myself to make sure that I'm giving freely and not out of obligation

Blackchops · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2011, 09:51:02 PM »

Malachie 3....IF YOU DON'T GIVE OFFERING...YOU STEALING GOD...

jwilliams_drums · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2011, 11:40:10 PM »

The majority of the comments I'm getting are "your stealing God", you should give, it's right to give... How about this just give up your paycheck and play for free.. "God will bless you"... If the person that signs your check called you and told you this, who would show up on Sunday??

GrooveAddiction · « **Reply #9 on:** August 04, 2011, 02:19:34 PM »

God blesses you with that money, so bless him back. You gotta look at it on a spiritual level rather then just looking at it as just giving money to the church.

jwilliams_drums · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2011, 03:04:38 PM »

Still the question poses, is giving our talent, loyalty, and dedication to the church or churches we play at "not enough" ?? Must it always be tangible? I feel it's an equal share compensation for total commitment, even on a spiritual level, but let's not forget churches are a business.. I don't think it's right at all for the leader of the flock to get up and say "I want the musicians to give offering" to me that's a little obsurd and a little awkward.. Anyone agree?

raegenius · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2011, 06:55:47 PM »

Losing money?? Working people (musicians, doctors, lawyers, maids) get a salary/remuneration for work done and it's from that salary/remuneration that they give their offering.

PianoClubhouse · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2011, 09:56:58 AM »

Quote from: jwilliams_drums on August 06, 2011, 03:04:38 PM

Still the question poses, is giving our talent, loyalty, and dedication to the church or churches we play at "not enough" ?? Must it always be tangible? I feel it's an equal share compensation for total commitment, even on a spiritual level, but let's not forget churches are a business.. I don't think it's right at all for the leader of the flock to get up and say "I want the musicians to give offering" to me that's a little obsurd and a little awkward.. Anyone agree?

Yeah, it kinda does need to be tangible. Not to mention (speaking from the 'business' side), i know that at our church our administration looks at everyones giving who is on staff. And they take that into direct consideration when it comes time for a raise, or maybe a special bonus, or if a musician has a special instrument request or something along those lines. Our leadership doesn't ask/beg for musicians to give, but you best bet they know who is and isn't. So, by not tithing, not only are you cursed with a curse (Malachi 3:9), but now u got the leadership looking' up side your head crazy.....LOL.

PianoClubhouse · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2011, 10:46:58 AM »

.....i only read the posts up until now. I actually JUST watched the video in the first thread......

SMH

jwilliams_drums · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2011, 08:01:46 PM »

I agree with everything and love the feedback! As I originally stated the video was a joke in general, a little animated and over the top. Moreless comedy. I def believe in giving back to the church. God has been really good to me! Really good! Outside of tithes and offering I also believe God wants us to repay him in "worship". As was stated offering in church is used for building, expanding, paying bills, musicians, etc.. There is no account we can directly put money in on God's behalf. That's why I asked must it always be tangible? Regardless to how you look at it the church is a business and can be labeled as a job. Thus like you guys we're saying giving 10 percent is def in order! Then again, from a "tangible" perspective when I give my offering I'm technically getting it right back when I get my check.. That's why I believe loyalty, worship, dedication is equally important. You can be a faithful tithes and offering giver at the church you work for, but still show up late, go downstairs when the preacher gets up, show up not knowing the music, "winging it", not telling the leader of the music when your going to be out. All these things are sooo important, and if you don't think church is a "business" try these things on the list I just mentioned. Not sure if unemployment is available for "Non-Profit" ..

jwilliams_drums · « **Reply #15 on:** August 08, 2011, 08:37:57 PM »

What happens when it's the church family and the leader wants to keep everyone around even if they're not "doing their job" properly or not at all?? Poor business principles

.... Kinda off subject but I feel like that's why the small churches stay small and the big ones stay big. It's a lot harder to grow any type of ministry when you don't know how to fire somebody or kick them off the team for slacking. What happens when your not penalized for being late? The old case of the your mom being your "manager" and she can't get you to where you need to go, but you don't know how to tell her! LOL thoughts??

LaylaMonroe · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2011, 09:40:06 PM »

('_')/

lorenz_j · « **Reply #17 on:** August 09, 2011, 11:51:20 AM »

Quote from: LaylaMonroe on August 02, 2011, 04:26:19 PM

The law is pretty simple: sow sparingly, reap sparingly; sow plentifully, reap plentifully. Give from your heart, not reluctantly or in response to pressure, or grudgingly, because God loves a cheerful giver.

As it relates to giving, musicians are not different from those who serve in any other capacity.

Personally, nothing impresses me more than to see a musician who looks like he's a part of the service and worship experience, and not just there to play until it's time to get his check and go home. I love to see musicians open their Bibles (or Bible apps), stand, pray, and give. BTJM.

It baffles me how many musicians never carry their Bibles. It's very sad. It's very sad how many musicians have no desire to give.

If we are followers of Christ, we should desire to do as he instructs, requires and commands.

PianoClubhouse · « **Reply #18 on:** August 09, 2011, 05:28:54 PM »

Quote from: lorenz_j on August 09, 2011, 11:51:20 AM

It baffles me how many musicians never carry their Bibles. It's very sad. It's very sad how many musicians have no desire to give.

If we are followers of Christ, we should desire to do as he instructs, requires and commands.

yes sir.

karlmhoon · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2011, 08:56:41 AM »

Quote from: Blackchops on August 03, 2011, 09:51:02 PM

Malachie 3....IF YOU DON'T GIVE OFFERING...YOU STEALING GOD...

that bottom line there

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