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Offline LaylaMonroe

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To Train Up a Child
« on: August 16, 2011, 02:59:09 PM »
I'm catching up on my CNN news and came across this video.

Short version: Some couple from Tennessee wrote a book named To Train Up a Child, which uses the Bible to teach parents how to "train" their children, mostly using the rod.  Apparently, it's a pretty popular book among fundamentalist Christians.

So a couple in California read the book and followed it (along with the Bible). Beat their 7 year old child to death and almost killed her 11 year old sister. She was beaten for 7 hours, with prayer breaks in between.

Doesn't anyone ever think for themselves anymore???

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2011/08/15/exp.ac.tuchman.punishment.cnn
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 03:07:36 PM »
It don't take all that.  You can't beat the "h" out of kids.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 03:18:43 PM »
This is just flat out ridiculous. I hate when people try to use books, music, and movies to justify their stupidity.  :-\
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 03:23:53 PM »
oh man... why are people killing kids? Makes my darn skin crawl...can I say darn on LGM?? {shrugs}
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 03:27:25 PM »
They need to be flogged to death themselves.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 03:29:41 PM »
sweet, another thing to make "christians" look absolutely crazy.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 04:57:27 PM »
Quote from: LaylaMonroe on August 16, 2011, 02:59:09 PM
I'm catching up on my CNN news and came across this video.

Short version: Some couple from Tennessee wrote a book named To Train Up a Child, which uses the Bible to teach parents how to "train" their children, mostly using the rod.  Apparently, it's a pretty popular book among fundamentalist Christians.

So a couple in California read the book and followed it (along with the Bible). Beat their 7 year old child to death and almost killed her 11 year old sister. She was beaten for 7 hours, with prayer breaks in between.

Doesn't anyone ever think for themselves anymore???

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2011/08/15/exp.ac.tuchman.punishment.cnn


If you dont mind, can you define fundamentalist? Do you consider yourself and or most of us here fundamentalist? 
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 05:08:24 PM »
Quote from: Hasmonean1 on August 16, 2011, 03:07:36 PM
It don't take all that.  You can't beat the "h" out of kids.
No but they sure  try to beat the "s" out LOLROTF!! OMG!! #Laughing too hard!!
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 05:10:55 PM »
I would define fundamentalist as a very militant, strict adherence to a particular doctrine, especially traditional, not modern or contemporary doctrine. I'd rather not speak for the other LGMers as I'd probably offend them, but I'll answer for myself: I don't consider myself fundamentalist at all. Not even close. If fundamentalist is 100 on a scale of 1 to 100, I'm at about a 3.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2011, 05:14:04 PM »
I hope I didn't offend anyone but that just tickled me pink (or chocolate)!!
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2011, 05:15:54 PM »
Quote from: LaylaMonroe on August 16, 2011, 05:10:55 PM
I would define fundamentalist as a very militant, strict adherence to a particular doctrine, especially traditional, not modern or contemporary doctrine. I'd rather not speak for the other LGMers as I'd probably offend them, but I'll answer for myself: I don't consider myself fundamentalist at all. Not even close. If fundamentalist is 100 on a scale of 1 to 100, I'm at about a 3.

Ok, thanks. I've seen the term used in different ways. :-\
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 05:28:05 PM »
Quote from: THE WOLFMAN on August 16, 2011, 03:29:41 PM
sweet, another thing to make "christians" look absolutely crazy.
I agree with the above poster.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2011, 06:22:04 PM »
This is just heartbreaking!  Another Child's death.  The innocent suffering because of the failures of the parents. :'(
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2011, 09:55:25 PM »
Quote from: chevonee on August 16, 2011, 03:18:43 PM
This is just flat out ridiculous. I hate when people try to use books, music, and movies to justify their stupidity.  :-\

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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2011, 10:02:55 AM »
When I was a child in the 1940s it was common and ordinary that a child would be disciplined by means of corporal punishment.  But your chances of being beaten to death was very close to zero.  Only a nut would do that.  Only a nut would do it now.  When we read of children being killed they state the truth of the perpetrator's being a nut until they happen to be professed christians.  Then a shadow is cast on Christianity.  It simply was a nut who professed to be a Christian.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2011, 10:06:01 AM »
Yeah, I just watched another video on CNN and the lady (co-author of the book) said that no child is too young to be trained. She said that if one of her babies would bite her nipple when breastfeeding, she would "gently" pull their hair to let them know they can't do that.

Ummm, yeah lady. Right.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2011, 10:24:02 AM »
Quote from: berbie on August 17, 2011, 10:02:55 AM
When I was a child in the 1940s it was common and ordinary that a child would be disciplined by means of corporal punishment.  But your chances of being beaten to death was very close to zero.  Only a nut would do that.  Only a nut would do it now.  When we read of children being killed they state the truth of the perpetrator's being a nut until they happen to be professed christians.  Then a shadow is cast on Christianity.  It simply was a nut who professed to be a Christian.

I was raised on corporal punishment as well from every which way and I am for it with good sense.  But in fairness how likely would it be known by people across the country that someone killed their child by excessive beating in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's?  I don't think the chances where so close to zero but maybe more like unheard of.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2011, 11:03:51 AM »
Quote from: Hasmonean1 on August 17, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
I was raised on corporal punishment as well from every which way and I am for it with good sense.  But in fairness how likely would it be known by people across the country that someone killed their child by excessive beating in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's?  I don't think the chances where so close to zero but maybe more like unheard of.
I agree with the bolded comment.  It was a way of life back then and there was no statistics being kept.  I can think of a few kids who got a broken arm or leg because they were trying to block a blow.  No one questioned it. 
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 11:50:22 AM »
One might want to put it into "Ripley's believe it or Not" but there was actually a great communication system in place during the 50s and on and if a child were beaten to death, it would get notice very much so.  I can't speak so much for the forties as I was younger during the forties and wouldn't have been paying as much attention to the news in particular as I would have later.  And, of course, there was only radio and the newspaper.

As a rule, you really knew much more about what was going on within families and neighborhoods than you know now. (warts and all)

There were a number of parents I am sure that took punishment to the extreme then as now.  To place the onus on Christianity because one of them professed to be a Christian is just wrong, as well as thinking that those who believe in corporal punishment are into child abuse.  In my mind, it is child abuse if you let a child grow up in this society and don't teach him/her to survive and exist within it in a happy, responsible and successful manner, even if you must use corporal punishment to achieve that goal.
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Re: To Train Up a Child
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2011, 12:30:16 PM »
Quote from: LaylaMonroe on August 17, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
Yeah, I just watched another video on CNN and the lady (co-author of the book) said that no child is too young to be trained. She said that if one of her babies would bite her nipple when breastfeeding, she would "gently" pull their hair to let them know they can't do that.

Ummm, yeah lady. Right.
ummm, i onno, the Wolfling bit ms Wolfy a few times, she almost forgot she was saved.
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