Topic: Is it wrong for a preacher to ask for a huge offering before they come speak (Read 2421 times)

rut · « **on:** October 10, 2011, 09:24:34 PM »

FAMILY,
Why do I hear that famous preachers ask for monetary gifts of 5k and more... I thought we suppose to be preaching the Gospel to win souls for Christ... Im not saying not to give them anything but these ridculous offerings is crazy... I rather preach and know 100 people got saved and recieve what they're able to give me than to preach and get 5k plus and only 5 people repented.... #IJS

BassbyGrace · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:31:48 PM »

I think my sis is better suited to answer this, but I think sometimes logistics may come into play depending on where it is. I do know that JPK was wylin on twitter about preachers charging like 15,000+ dollars to preach. SMH

SirTJ · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:33:09 PM »

I've never heard a sermon worth $15,000.

rut · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:36:24 PM »

I know I mean thats just crazy I mean what are they paying for imagine 15,000 of service and they do 4 services in one week.. then I hear they're preacing the same messages in every city.... and soem make the mistake and preach the same message twice in the same state...

blyempowered · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:38:33 PM »

Black churches have a history of taking advantage of people's gifts. That may factor in to it but I think it's crazy to charge ridiculous high amounts for sermons, but.....

phbrown · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:53:54 PM »

yeah, i'm gonna wait on a certain users response as BBG alluded to on this topic

SavnBass · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:00:45 PM »

I think it's crazy.. and I think Jesus mentioned folks like that in Mt 7:22 .....

under13 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:11:01 PM »

I see nothing wrong with it. It's supply and demand. If TD Jakes' fee was $400, he'd have thousands of requests a year. The more famous you are, the busier you are and the more valuable your time is.

Also the more famous the guest preacher/artist is, the more people will show up at your church for that particular event, thus increasing the amount of money your church will get in the offering that night. Why should you exploit that minister's name/brand and not compensate him/her accordingly? It's a shame when churches want something for nothing.

And why do you have to have a big name preach for you? If it's all about the message, then find somebody who will preach just as good or better and who will do it for free or cheap.

blyempowered · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:16:37 PM »

Quote from: under13 on October 10, 2011, 10:11:01 PM

I see nothing wrong with it. It's supply and demand. If TD Jakes' fee was $400, he'd have thousands of requests a year. The more famous you are, the busier you are and the more valuable your time is.

Also the more famous the guest preacher/artist is, the more people will show up at your church for that particular event, thus increasing the amount of money your church will get in the offering that night. Why should you exploit that minister's name/brand and not compensate him/her accordingly? It's a shame when churches want something for nothing.

And why do you have to have a big name preach for you? If it's all about the message, then find somebody who will preach just as good or better and who will do it for free or cheap.

But doesn't that make the focus of the purpose for speaking to the people of God more about money than about the ministry?

In all actuality, I actually agree with most of your basic message. I'm just concerned that we're bringing in capitalistic tendencies into the church...*sigh*

LaylaMonroe · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:18:06 PM »

I don't really have anything to say at this point. We discussed this once before and Sis. T really nailed it (if I remember correctly. May have been Nessa or Redd?). Anyway, maybe PHB can find it.

blyempowered · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:19:19 PM »

Quote from: LaylaMonroe on October 10, 2011, 10:18:06 PM

I don't really have anything to say at this point. We discussed this once before and Sis. T really nailed it (if I remember correctly. May have been Nessa or Redd?). Anyway, maybe PHB can find it.

Yes PHB....come to rescue! LOL!

Docdb04 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2011, 07:33:50 AM »

If Bishop Jakes, charge you a $400 fee to preach at your church and for accommodation, you have to hold 5 services. Your church is able to hold 1,000 members in the sanctuary, not including overflow rooms (which boost your numbers up to 1200). If you pack out each service (which you probably will) you have had 6000 people come and see Bishop Jakes. If each member gives $5, your church grossed 30k ($29,600 after Jakes fee). Is that right, when you used his name to gross that amount (When you know good and well, Pastor Jones from around the neighborhood wouldn’t have done the same thing, respectively)? In addition, this man has traveling expenses, a family to care for as well as his own church. Shouldn’t the church give him at least 20% of the gross (that is $1 per member)?

SN: Just as someone stated, a lot of churches (Black churches) will pay your fee and keep it moving. Then call you next year to do the same thing. It is not about the money, it is just bizness.

JustBecause · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2011, 09:02:30 AM »

I dont think its wrong to ask... You can ask what ever you like.

IMO... I think its wrong to charge anyone for a word from the Lord... That is freely given...

The sad part is people... Not Christians per-se....

Paying someone to come to your church to preach is a fad to me... If you cant get the word from me... and you'd rather hear it from Bishop Jakes... Then go to his church...

The whole thing is just stupid... The word is the word is the word... Whether it comes from Joe blow on the street corner or some high priced celeb...

Quote from: Docdb04 on October 11, 2011, 07:33:50 AM

....it is just bizness.

To me... This is where the problem lies...

The church has become a business and no longer a place of worship...

gtrdave · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2011, 09:38:49 AM »

Quote from: JustBecause on October 11, 2011, 09:02:30 AM

I dont think its wrong to ask... You can ask what ever you like.

IMO... I think its wrong to charge anyone for a word from the Lord... That is freely given...

The sad part is people... Not Christians per-se....

Paying someone to come to your church to preach is a fad to me... If you cant get the word from me... and you'd rather hear it from Bishop Jakes... Then go to his church...

The whole thing is just stupid... The word is the word is the word... Whether it comes from Joe blow on the street corner or some high priced celeb...

To me... This is where the problem lies...

The church has become a business and no longer a place of worship...

I agree with all of this.
That is all.

Docdb04 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2011, 09:48:25 AM »

Quote from: JustBecause on October 11, 2011, 09:02:30 AM

To me... This is where the problem lies...

The church has become a business and no longer a place of worship...

It is still a place of worship, but nevertheless it is still a business. You can't worship in the winter time with no heat. You can't worship in the summer time with no air conditioning. You can't park in a parking lot, where the pavement is broken and unsafe. You can't use the bathroom if there is no plumbing nor wash your hands if there is no water. You can't worship at night, if there are no lights. You get my drift. Why should it not be treated as such? If you are asking, "If a church should make a profit (thread from yesterday)," then that is another question.

IRT the topic, It isn't charging for the word, it is paying for their services, prep, travel expenses, etc. Do I think that some of the demands are outrageous? They probably are, but comparitive to whom? If this is their lively hood, how do you suggest they support their family? Bishop Jakes, Pastor Williams, Minister Cash, Evangelist Sealy, whomever it is. You are asking them to take time from thier means of income, to come and bring you something for free and you (not you directly) don't want to compensate them for their time sacrificed. Yes I know that God will supply, but what you are saying is to use "The preacher's" name to gain much attention, reap the benefits and send the preacher on his/her way.

blyempowered · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2011, 09:54:01 AM »

Quote from: Docdb04 on October 11, 2011, 09:48:25 AM

It is still a place of worship, but nevertheless it is still a business. You can't worship in the winter time with no heat. You can't worship in the summer time with no air conditioning. You can't park in a parking lot, where the pavement is broken and unsafe. You can't use the bathroom if there is no plumbing nor wash your hands if there is no water. You can't worship at night, if there are no lights. You get my drift. Why should it not be treated as such? If you are asking, "If a church should make a profit (thread from yesterday)," then that is another question.

IRT the topic, It isn't charging for the word, it is paying for their services, prep, travel expenses, etc. Do I think that some of the demands are outrageous? They probably are, but comparitive to whom? If this is their lively hood, how do you suggest they support their family? Bishop Jakes, Pastor Williams, Minister Cash, Evangelist Sealy, whomever it is. You are asking them to take time from thier means of income, to come and bring you something for free and you (not you directly) don't want to compensate them for their time sacrificed. Yes I know that God will supply, but what you are saying is to use "The preacher's" name to gain much attention, reap the benefits and send the preacher on his/her way.

Good points. I'd still argue that the church has became a business because it is accepted as such, not because it should be.

phbrown · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2011, 10:12:36 AM »

Rut,

Your not the only one who feels the way you do. Below are a few threads talking about the same thing. I wanted to quote some of the posts. But its too easy to take a quote out of context (you know like how some people, not you or I of course

, take one scripture out of context in the bible.

The first one is a powerful discussion about this topic. It veers off course after awhile. But I am sure you will see where this conversation was headed towards.
Preaching Engagement Honorariums

Now in this following threads (they are sort of related) iamworship points out a few verses.

Money For Preaching!
***NEW CONCEPT FOR LGM: THE "WORD" APPROACH TO DISCUSSIONS***

SisterT is in all of these threads. However I was not able to find the exact posts that others have alluded too

blyempowered · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2011, 10:26:28 AM »

Wow! Y'all were brutal back in the day...LOL!

b3finguz5 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2011, 11:29:53 AM »

I think that's just being plain ole greedy!!!

csedwards2 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2011, 11:45:11 AM »

Quote from: blyempowered on October 11, 2011, 10:26:28 AM

Wow! Y'all were brutal back in the day...LOL!

did we change?

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