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Offline baggettcindy

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Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« on: October 17, 2011, 02:17:40 AM »

This was posted on my "hair forum"... a site I frequent. I thought I'd post here.....what do you think about her situation. I posted in my response to her, she needed her church friend to be her cheerleader....encourage her, etc.

Have you ever been dumped or dumped another church member for not being spiritual enough?


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i do not really wish to go into detail but i befriended someone and its been about a year or so.i enjoy her company vry much and we have a similar intelect and interests. i go to worship but i might miss a week or two because honestly i dont feel like going she tried to encourage me but recently she informed me that if i dont start going regularly that i am not suited to be her friend because i am not at worship every week therefore i am not a friend of god. i was so taken aback i just left and i havent returned since. she has been my only friend for a long time. its been a month and i hear no response but i do not want to talk to her either...am i in the wrong? I am still upset and i havent gone to worship either because at this point i was just going for other people to be happy...im just not that into it anymore...

i told my mother and had a very long talk about that i will no longer be going at least until i am certain in what i want to do.i gave her my detailed reasonings too. she told me that i am just saying things i dont mean because i am mad and i am overreacting and being hypersensitive. she tried to force me to go this morning and i told her i was not planning on going today and she went bezerk...she is so emotional about religious things..now she will barley talk to me

i feel so sad.i dont want to hurt my mother but i feel so unsatisfied going...i have no friends there and always felt like i dont fit in. i dont know why. i keep myself modest,and nice, and try to live my life closley to the bible but still i am never spiritual enough for them.so i just got to thinking maybe it isnt for me...

sorry for the ramble. i would like some unbiased opinions.
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Maybe I will post some of your responses on the site; for her to read.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 04:12:45 AM »
Just going to church has nothing to do with being spiritual.  A good friend would encourage you to not only go but live the life that is pleasing to God outside of church.  I would suggest that you seek and find a church where you can become an ACTIVE member.  Active participation in the ministry would afford you a more meaningful purpose in church.  Pray that God will lead you to such a place where the superficial things are not forced upon you.  There is a love for all things Godly that must be obtained as well.  Once this is accomplished, your church attendance will never be an issue.  Finally my prayer is that you get a hunger and thirst after righteousness for there's a promise unto you under those conditions.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 07:21:51 AM »
I can't say that I've ever dismissed a friend because they weren't spiritual enough.  IMO it's all relative and I can’t presume to judge where someone else is in their spiritual walk when I'm not even all that together.  I have heard other's say that they won't fool with this one or that one because of their perceived level of spirituality but I find it hypocritical since all righteousness is like filthy rags anyway.  As I get older I am increasingly turned off by the idea but this is an awesome question.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 07:34:16 AM »
Her friend is the one who needs a good talking to.

Jesus instructed us to be lights.  What good is that light if it's only shared with others WHO ALREADY HAVE that light?

No, the light is meant to shine in darkness.


What I do (and did as recently as 2 wks ago) is limit friendships based on where you are.  What does that mean?  My wife and I have a friend who's really sweet.  Great girl.  She goes to church once in a while and we try to encourage her, but she doesn't want God.  She invited us to her house for the weekend (she lives in Jersey), then went out to spend the night with her friend-with-benefits.   :-\

I decided I had to alter that relationship.  I still love her and talk to her on FB.  I haven't disowned her, but I put some restrictions on that relationship.  I won't be sharing any problems with her because her advice likely won't be biblical.  I won't be going over to her house for the weekend anymore, but we'd certainly go out to dinner with her.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 07:45:09 AM »

What I do (and did as recently as 2 wks ago) is limit friendships based on where you are.  What does that mean?  My wife and I have a friend who's really sweet.  Great girl.  She goes to church once in a while and we try to encourage her, but she doesn't want God.  She invited us to her house for the weekend (she lives in Jersey), then went out to spend the night with her friend-with-benefits.   :-\

I decided I had to alter that relationship.  I still love her and talk to her on FB.  I haven't disowned her, but I put some restrictions on that relationship.  I won't be sharing any problems with her because her advice likely won't be biblical.  I won't be going over to her house for the weekend anymore, but we'd certainly go out to dinner with her.

We haven't hidden our light, but we aren't unequally yoked either.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2011, 07:50:27 AM »
I'm more concerned about her not making connections than being 'dumped'.   It reads as if she's not trying to make connections at all, or she's looking for people to come to her and not putting in any effort herself. 

Relationships don't work that way...at least healthy ones.


If she's trying to live biblically, then why not attend church, or, at the very least, find a group of people with whom she can read and share the Word?


I think there's more here than she's being 'dumped' for not being spiritual enough. BTJM. *kanyeshrug*
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 08:01:52 AM »
I would just say the truth hurts.

As Hasmo said, going to church is not the spiritual measuring stick, but her apathy to going does indicate an unwillingness to walk. Yes the friend may have worded it wrong, and truly just wanted to encourage the dumpee (Dumpy) to walk and get her life together. Dumpy just didnt want that. Who knows what she really wanted. Her immediate knee jerk response to not go at all is more concerning to me. She sounds like she's giving up on church. And I say church instead of God, because it sounds like there wasnt much of a relationship there between Dumpy and God to begin with. The same could probably be said about her legalistic friend, but she's trying and she just wanted a friend to try to live right like her. Her approach could use a little softening up though

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 08:14:44 AM »
I agree with everything that has been said. I tend to find myself ministering to people with all kinds of issues, so I always wonder first what's up with the person before I assign the victim role. Sorry, that's just me.

My first reaction with this young lady is that she could possibly be a wearer or a drainer, one of those people that just sap you of all your strength and energy, leaving you empty and worn out. Or maybe she's one of the attention hoards, who does stuff just to get attention. There are a lot of young people out there who create or exaggerate problems just to get attention.

So that's my first line of thinking.

Nonetheless, I agree with Hasmo, Mztee (heyyyy sis!), RJ, and Jonathan: she should try to find a church where she can be active, and this so-called friend shouldn't just drop her like that. I know what it's like to minister to someone who claims they're trying to do right, but you can tell they really don't want to live holy. Just last week I had to call a friend for counsel because I made the decision to drop someone for that same reason. I'm not going to drive myself nuts trying to help someone who doesn't want to be helped. I had thought and prayed about it for a while, and then sought counsel, and then made my decision. This person was left in good hands, so I feel fine about it. The young lady who posted that thread above doesn't sound like she was left in good hands at all. But then again, maybe she knows the way and just wants to be coddled. I really don't know. It's hard to say with only one side of the story.

But for some reason, my heart goes out to her. I can feel her pain, and it really hurts. Sad story.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 08:15:59 AM »
I would just say the truth hurts.

As Hasmo said, going to church is not the spiritual measuring stick, but her apathy to going does indicate an unwillingness to walk. Yes the friend may have worded it wrong, and truly just wanted to encourage the dumpee (Dumpy) to walk and get her life together. Dumpy just didnt want that. Who knows what she really wanted. Her immediate knee jerk response to not go at all is more concerning to me. She sounds like she's giving up on church. And I say church instead of God, because it sounds like there wasnt much of a relationship there between Dumpy and God to begin with. The same could probably be said about her legalistic friend, but she's trying and she just wanted a friend to try to live right like her. Her approach could use a little softening up though

May I ask what part gave you the impression there wasn't a relationship between her and God to begin with?
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 08:20:08 AM »
My first reaction with this young lady is that she could possibly be a wearer or a drainer, one of those people that just sap you of all your strength and energy, leaving you empty and worn out. Or maybe she's one of the attention hoards, who does stuff just to get attention. There are a lot of young people out there who create or exaggerate problems just to get attention.

I would have used a word that rhymes with that one, but thanks for being more saved than I am.   :D :D :D

Great observations btw.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 08:44:47 AM »
Yeah, RJ, you're just not spiritual enough. :D

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OAN, I want to correct myself. I said "there are a lot of young people out there who..." and I know we have a young person or two who get upset when I say stuff like that. Truth is, in this case, they would be right. It's not only young people who do annoying things to get attention. So I stand corrected.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 08:52:15 AM »
Yeah, RJ, you're just not spiritual enough. :D

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OAN, I want to correct myself. I said "there are a lot of young people out there who..." and I know we have a young person or two who get upset when I say stuff like that. Truth is, in this case, they would be right. It's not only young people who do annoying things to get attention. So I stand corrected.

You can respond to that PM with a clear conscience now.   :D
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2011, 10:12:58 AM »
I had to come back to this and add another two cents. I would not waste my time trying to be friends with someone who would take it upon their self to tell me if I'm a "friend of God" or not.  Unless the Lord gave them a confirmed word regarding my relationship with Him, then I wouldn't fool with them.  It just seems like thinly veiled judgement on the part of the ex-friend. As for feeling like she doesn't fit in, maybe the church she attends is cliquish.  (btw hi ms. Layla :) )

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2011, 10:17:38 AM »
I had to come back to this and add another two cents. I would not waste my time trying to be friends with someone who would take it upon their self to tell me if I'm a "friend of God" or not.  Unless the Lord gave them a confirmed word regarding my relationship with Him, then I wouldn't fool with them.  It just seems like thinly veiled judgement on the part of the ex-friend. As for feeling like she doesn't fit in, maybe the church she attends is cliquish.  (btw hi ms. Layla :) )

Ooooh this is good stuff. And I meant to make reference to the "not a friend of God" piece, but I forgot. What audacity she has.

And a lot of churches give off that cliquish feeling, especially to those who aren't as strong in the faith. My former pastor had to work really hard (and still does) to make sure cliques don't flourish at the church.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2011, 10:34:30 AM »
I would have used a word that rhymes with that one, but thanks for being more saved than I am.   :D :D :D

Great observations btw.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2011, 10:38:12 AM »
I had to come back to this and add another two cents. I would not waste my time trying to be friends with someone who would take it upon their self to tell me if I'm a "friend of God" or not.  Unless the Lord gave them a confirmed word regarding my relationship with Him, then I wouldn't fool with them.  It just seems like thinly veiled judgement on the part of the ex-friend. As for feeling like she doesn't fit in, maybe the church she attends is cliquish.  (btw hi ms. Layla :) )



In this instance the girl really doesn't seem to have a relationship with the Lord.  At all.

i go to worship but i might miss a week or two because honestly i dont feel like going.

I am still upset and i havent gone to worship either because at this point i was just going for other people to be happy...im just not that into it anymore...




When you look at her wording you see what she really wants; someone to side with her.

recently she informed me that if i dont start going regularly that i am not suited to be her friend because i am not at worship every week therefore i am not a friend of god.

Now, I wasn't there, but this doesn't sound right.  I doubt the friend said she isn't 'suited' to be her friend because she isn't in service EVERY WEEK.  She probably mentioned her poor church attendance, but it's more likely this girl's carnal nature that caused her to make the (poor) decision to drop her. 

Again, that's no justification for dropping her.  As I said, she should alter the friendship but not drop her.  Christ doesn't give up on people and neither should we.  I'm just sayin, this girl his very particular with her wording.

she tried to force me to go this morning and i told her i was not planning on going today and she went bezerk...she is so emotional about religious things..now she will barley talk to me

Mommy tried to FORCE you then went *ahem* 'bezerk'?  Awwww, poor baby.

i keep myself modest,and nice, and try to live my life closley to the bible but still i am never spiritual enough for them.so i just got to thinking maybe it isnt for me...

Carnality 101.  'I try to live my life closely to the bible but still I am never 'spiritual' enough 'for them'.  Then she says "maybe it isn't for me"???

She DEFINITELY isn't 'spiritual enough'.   :-\
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2011, 10:42:36 AM »
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Yep, you got it.  She's an Attention Fjord.   :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
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In this instance the girl really doesn't seem to have a relationship with the Lord.  At all.




When you look at her wording you see what she really wants; someone to side with her.

Now, I wasn't there, but this doesn't sound right.  I doubt the friend said she isn't 'suited' to be her friend because she isn't in service EVERY WEEK.  She probably mentioned her poor church attendance, but it's more likely this girl's carnal nature that caused her to make the (poor) decision to drop her. 

Again, that's no justification for dropping her.  As I said, she should alter the friendship but not drop her.  Christ doesn't give up on people and neither should we.  I'm just sayin, this girl his very particular with her wording.

Mommy tried to FORCE you then went *ahem* 'bezerk'?  Awwww, poor baby.

Carnality 101.  'I try to live my life closely to the bible but still I am never 'spiritual' enough 'for them'.  Then she says "maybe it isn't for me"???

She DEFINITELY isn't 'spiritual enough'.   :-\

I can't agree with that, but there are too many quotes and formatting for me to really reply.

I'll just say that just because she doesn't want to go to church (for WHATEVER reason) doesn't mean she doesn't have a relationship with the Lord. That's an unfair assessment, imo.

It's weird though, because I agree with your perspective; I made the same observations - especially that last quote you posted - but I just can't say that she doesn't have a relationship with the Lord because she doesn't want to go to church. Maybe she's not mature enough (naturally or spiritually) to endure whatever she's experienced at this particular church and has been turned away from church in general just because of that one church experience. Idk. But I just don't see enough to say she has no relationship.

I'll admit I'm biased, though. Church people always give the side eye when they find out you don't go to church every Sunday/Sabbath. They may not always SAY that you have no relationship, but many will imply it. And yeah, that kinda gets on my nerves a little.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2011, 11:03:29 AM »
I had to come back to this and add another two cents. I would not waste my time trying to be friends with someone who would take it upon their self to tell me if I'm a "friend of God" or not.  Unless the Lord gave them a confirmed word regarding my relationship with Him, then I wouldn't fool with them.  It just seems like thinly veiled judgement on the part of the ex-friend. As for feeling like she doesn't fit in, maybe the church she attends is cliquish.  (btw hi ms. Layla :) )

I wasn't to keen about that "Friend of God" phrase either.  That may have set me off a bit.  Like you just received your notice saying, "You are going to sit at His right hand".  I mean...why not just say that I am going to hell because I don't come to church every week. 
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