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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 11:17:32 AM »
I'll just say that just because she doesn't want to go to church (for WHATEVER reason) doesn't mean she doesn't have a relationship with the Lord. That's an unfair assessment, imo.

It's an unfair assessment to say that if she doesn't want to go to THAT church she doesn't have a relationship with the Lord.  She doesn't want to go to another church either.  In fact toward the end she even said "i just got to thinking maybe it isnt for me".   :-\

Not going to church is only PART of it.  When I read her wording and thoughts on the matter I can see what she's saying and what she isn't.  I know so many people who speak that way.

She said she was going for other people.  She says her mother is "so emotional about religious things" because she tried to get her to go to church and the girl refused.

She never said she reads and never says she prays.  She said she tries to live "closely to the bible".  That's the kind of thing that a carnal person would say and another carnal person would think "gee, that sounds about right."   :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 11:23:26 AM »
It's an unfair assessment to say that if she doesn't want to go to THAT church she doesn't have a relationship with the Lord.  She doesn't want to go to another church either.  In fact toward the end she even said "i just got to thinking maybe it isnt for me".   :-\

Not going to church is only PART of it.  When I read her wording and thoughts on the matter I can see what she's saying and what she isn't.  I know so many people who speak that way.

She said she was going for other people.  She says her mother is "so emotional about religious things" because she tried to get her to go to church and the girl refused.

She never said she reads and never says she prays.  She does say she tries to live "closely to the bible".  That's the kind of thing that a carnal person would say and another carnal person would think "gee, that sounds about right."   :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

1st part in bold - to clarify, are you saying that if a person doesn't want to go to church, they don't have a relationship with the Lord? (Just trying to get to your bottom line on that).

2nd part in bold - could also be a person who believes she lives holy, but hesitates to say "I live by the Bible" lest someone should nitpick the statement saying "no one is perfect, no one dots every i, no one keeps every law," etc. I think carnal people tend to stick to the whole "I'm not perfect, but I love God," or the "I may have my faults, but everybody sins so don't judge me" lines.

The second part is not really a biggie for me. I'd really like some clarity on that first one, though.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2011, 11:48:03 AM »
I think if she had a relationship with the Lord, his influence on the situation would be evident.  She talks like "they" are God, meaning she doesn't know him.  If she did, she would know that "they" are not him. 

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2011, 11:52:47 AM »
I think if she had a relationship with the Lord, his influence on the situation would be evident.  She talks like "they" are God, meaning she doesn't know him.  If she did, she would know that "they" are not him.

I agree with the above poster. And, RJ.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2011, 12:11:13 PM »
I think if she had a relationship with the Lord, his influence on the situation would be evident.  She talks like "they" are God, meaning she doesn't know him.  If she did, she would know that "they" are not him. 

Even if she's a baby saint?

I think we might be underestimating the influence of some churches have on some newer/younger saints.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2011, 12:17:52 PM »
i do not really wish to go into detail but i befriended someone and its been about a year or so.i enjoy her company vry much and we have a similar intelect and interests. i go to worship but i might miss a week or two because honestly i dont feel like going she tried to encourage me but recently she informed me that if i dont start going regularly that i am not suited to be her friend because i am not at worship every week therefore i am not a friend of god. i was so taken aback i just left and i havent returned since. she has been my only friend for a long time. its been a month and i hear no response but i do not want to talk to her either...am i in the wrong? I am still upset and i havent gone to worship either because at this point i was just going for other people to be happy...im just not that into it anymore...

i told my mother and had a very long talk about that i will no longer be going at least until i am certain in what i want to do.i gave her my detailed reasonings too. she told me that i am just saying things i dont mean because i am mad and i am overreacting and being hypersensitive. she tried to force me to go this morning and i told her i was not planning on going today and she went bezerk...she is so emotional about religious things..now she will barley talk to me

i feel so sad.i dont want to hurt my mother but i feel so unsatisfied going...i have no friends there and always felt like i dont fit in. i dont know why. i keep myself modest,and nice, and try to live my life closley to the bible but still i am never spiritual enough for them.so i just got to thinking maybe it isnt for me...

sorry for the ramble. i would like some unbiased opinions.

The writer said they were friends for a year. Quick question (not expecting a response more a thougth to ponder) Did she consider you a friend? Or was she reaching out to you for that entire year trying to help you grow and get to know Jesus for yourself?

Because (again this is an assumption) if that was the case I don't blame the friend at all. She has been working with a person for a whole year and there hasn't been a change. I hope at least the seed was planted so now she can truly develop a relationship with Jesus for herself.



otherwise I agree with whatever Nessa has said.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2011, 12:19:50 PM »
Id defend my position, but RJ is doing such a fantastic job. Keep up the good work

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2011, 12:20:35 PM »
Even if she's a baby saint?

I think we might be underestimating the influence of some churches have on some newer/younger saints.
But if she's a baby saint and looks to the church to help nurture her, she doesn't seem to be feeling them, and if she's not turning to God for herself... if she's too much of a baby saint to seek God on her own, and she doesn't want anything to do with church.... if she had made some sort of commitment to God, either it was just superficial to please people, or she's definitely spiritually suicidal right now. 

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2011, 12:21:09 PM »
otherwise I agree with whatever Nessa has said.
LOL, y'all scare me with these blank check, co-signs.  :D

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2011, 12:21:32 PM »
dang RJ she is setting you up with them loaded questions ...

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2011, 12:22:10 PM »
LOL, y'all scare me with these blank check, co-signs.  :D

LOL, my bad in that case how about this

I agree with the posts that nessa has made thus far on this topic.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2011, 12:32:40 PM »
But if she's a baby saint and looks to the church to help nurture her, she doesn't seem to be feeling them, and if she's not turning to God for herself... if she's too much of a baby saint to seek God on her own, and she doesn't want anything to do with church.... if she had made some sort of commitment to God, either it was just superficial to please people, or she's definitely spiritually suicidal right now.

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2011, 12:40:50 PM »
I hear you, Ness (and I assume RJ). I just tend to hesitate to assess peoples' relationships with God on (what I think is) so little evidence. But I get what you're saying.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2011, 12:53:41 PM »
1st part in bold - to clarify, are you saying that if a person doesn't want to go to church, they don't have a relationship with the Lord? (Just trying to get to your bottom line on that).

Yes.  If I'm in an intimate relationship with someone, I would have no problem going to their house...no matter HOW much I talk to them.    ;)

I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD...but homegirl wasn't.   :D :D :D
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2011, 12:58:42 PM »
Gotcha. :)
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2011, 12:59:19 PM »
Yes.  If I'm in an intimate relationship with someone, I would have no problem going to their house...no matter HOW much I talk to them.    ;)

I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD...but homegirl wasn't.   :D :D :D

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2011, 01:04:41 PM »
I hear you, Ness (and I assume RJ). I just tend to hesitate to assess peoples' relationships with God on (what I think is) so little evidence. But I get what you're saying.

Very true.  I can't say with 100% certainty.  It's just my opinion based on the situation and the wording used.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2011, 01:05:02 PM »
The thing is that no one can, definitively, say that if she left it was "because God was not in the situation" because there's always the chance that God may not have been in  the church....well in the way He should be.   They could just have easily been a bunch of people coming together every week to go through the motions and pass judgement. It may be possible that she was met with the implied notion that she may not have been a "for real christian" for not attending as often as the more dedicated member.

We don't know if they equate how often she attended church each week with how saved she was. As far as not mentioning pray, fasting, etc. she may not have thought it relevant as her main question seems to be " why did someone whom I thought was my friend, just up and decide that I wasn't worth being a friend to any longer?

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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2011, 01:09:22 PM »
@Mztee, I couldn't agree more.

RJ, I will be PMing you when I get back to the office.
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Re: Not good enough a friend because im not spiritual enough
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2011, 01:10:58 PM »
The thing is that no one can, definitively, say that if she left it was "because God was not in the situation" because there's always the chance that God may not have been in  the church....well in the way He should be.   They could just have easily been a bunch of people coming together every week to go through the motions and pass judgement. It may be possible that she was met with the implied notion that she may not have been a "for real christian" for not attending as often as the more dedicated member.

We don't know if they equate how often she attended church each week with how saved she was. As far as not mentioning pray, fasting, etc. she may not have thought it relevant as her main question seems to be " why did someone whom I thought was my friend, just up and decide that I wasn't worth being a friend to any longer?

All are definite possibilities.
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